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Needa · Post by **Needa** » 2002-07-16 05:07pm

So KJA ain't that bad, I guess....

Seriously, Voyager had enjoyable moments, but the overused of technobable was disgusting. So my vote goes to Voyager.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-07-16 05:16pm

ahhh, so hard to choose.

Have to go with Voyager though as I just couldn't believe how crap it was (all around) while KJA was only crap in the continuanuity (sp) department.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-16 05:36pm

KJA was not THAT bad, sure he was kinda bad but not Voyager bad

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-07-16 06:04pm

Voyager gave a new meaning to steaming pile of crap. Admittedly every ST series has clunker episodes, even clunker seasons - TNG Season 1 is unwatchable IMO, but TNG also had some of the best written episodes in Sci Fi shows - Best of Both Worlds, Yesterday's Enterprise, I cannot think of a SINGLE episode of Voyager I can honestly say was anywhere near as good...seriously not a ONE. Can someone else think of one?

Voyager was a clunker of a SERIES.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-16 06:13pm

[Takes baseball bat to Voyager's staff]

"This is for cracking event horizons... And this is for establishing an infinite speed barrier that makes people turn into salamandars..."

johnmarkley · Post by **johnmarkley** » 2002-07-16 06:38pm

No contest. KJA isn't very good, but pitting him against Voyager is like putting a common street hoodlum up against the Devil himself.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-16 06:56pm

Stravo wrote:Voyager was a clunker of a SERIES.

You should see Enterprise. No one should see Enterprise.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-07-16 07:02pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Stravo wrote:Voyager was a clunker of a SERIES.
You should see Enterprise. No one should see Enterprise.

Found this on Subspace Relay:

"[Enterprise] is a level of quality science fiction we haven't seen since Flesh Gordon." -- Walter Sochack

I think that about sums it up.

CorSec · Post by **CorSec** » 2002-07-16 07:06pm

One is hard pressed to find any other Trek episode that equals Best of Both Worlds, Yesterday's Enterprise - but Voyager is not without its own 'good' stories.

Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
The Killing Game, parts 1 and 2
Tuvix
Mortal Coil
Ex Post Facto

But I will agree that Voyager isn't the best series.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-07-16 07:10pm

God I hated that Tuvix character. Up there with Barclay for annoyance factor.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-16 07:17pm

Too true, Howedar. Good thing they killed his ass

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-07-16 07:19pm

Which books did KJA write?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-07-16 07:28pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Which books did KJA write?

By himself, he authored the Jedi Academy series: Jedi Search, Dark Apprentice, and Champions of the Force. He also wrote Darksaber, although I'm not sure if he had a co-author.

He co-authored the Junior Jedi Knights and Young Jedi Knights series with his wife, Rebecca Moesta, and assisted with the stories behind several Tales of the Jedi comic books, as well as offering support for some reference books.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-07-16 07:34pm

Master of Ossus, THANK YOU for reminding me about Enterprise. It is soooo awful that I literrally must have used the force to blank it from my mind. I remember thinking - hey! What a GREAT idea...ST BEFORE Kirk, when the Final Frontier was truly like the Wild West and we get to see the origin of alot of things like the Klingon Fed relationship.

I stared DUMBFOUNDED at the screen for the first hour of the show - (admittedly drooled over the Vulcan - something about cold unattainable women that I won't get into) and turned off the TV. After that, Enterrpise did not exist for me.

It's almost sad actually how the franchise has fallen to these depths after such great shows like the OS, TNG and DS9.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-16 07:56pm

Stravo wrote:
(admittedly drooled over the Vulcan - something about cold unattainable women that I won't get into)

Dude, correct me if I am wrong but isn't she getting banged by the guy who played the kid in Terminator 2?

Graeme Dice · Post by **Graeme Dice** » 2002-07-16 09:10pm

Contrary to the opinions of most people, I enjoy many episodes of Voyager. Episodes that revolve around the characters of Seven and the Doctor are usually entertaining simply because those are the two characters that weren't steamrolled into two dimensions.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-07-16 10:29pm

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Originally posted by Stravo:

(admittedly drooled over the Vulcan - something about cold unattainable women that I won't get into)
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Dude, correct me if I am wrong but isn't she getting banged by the guy who played the kid in Terminator 2?

Originally Posted by VF5SS
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"No. That's not true. That's Impossible!" "Nooooooooooo!" (My best Luke on Bespin impersonation.)

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-07-16 10:42pm

Now I hate KJA just as much as the next guy, but to compare him to the Voyager writing staff is cruel and unusual punishment. We have the Bill of Rights to protect people from things like this.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-16 10:57pm

I still occasionally get nightmares from some voyager episodes.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-17 12:21am

Stravo wrote:
"No. That's not true. That's Impossible!" "Nooooooooooo!" (My best Luke on Bespin impersonation.)

According to a Trekkie friend, se was drunk in a radio interview and that's what she said...

Lusankya · Post by **Lusankya** » 2002-07-19 11:58pm

What kind of perverted poll is this? It's like asking who I'd kill if I was stuck in an elevator with Jar Jar Binks and Wesley crusher and only had one round in the Chamber.

Except I can get away from Voyager and KJA

fgalkin2 · Post by **fgalkin2** » 2002-07-20 12:35am

Stravo wrote:Voyager gave a new meaning to steaming pile of crap. Admittedly every ST series has clunker episodes, even clunker seasons - TNG Season 1 is unwatchable IMO, but TNG also had some of the best written episodes in Sci Fi shows - Best of Both Worlds, Yesterday's Enterprise, I cannot think of a SINGLE episode of Voyager I can honestly say was anywhere near as good...seriously not a ONE. Can someone else think of one?

Voyager was a clunker of a SERIES.

"Message in a bottle" was good imo. Everything else: CRAP!

Oh, and I voted for Voy.

+1 post.