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https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020/at ... ssolve-nra
Attorney General James Files Lawsuit to Dissolve NRA
AG James’ Action Will Hold Powerful Gun Group Accountable

Lawsuit Details Years of Illegal Self-Dealing That Funded Lavish Lifestyle of NRA Leaders

NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today filed a lawsuit seeking to dissolve the National Rifle Association (NRA), the largest and most influential pro-gun organization in the nation. Attorney General James charges the organization with illegal conduct because of their diversion of millions of dollars away from the charitable mission of the organization for personal use by senior leadership, awarding contracts to the financial gain of close associates and family, and appearing to dole out lucrative no-show contracts to former employees in order to buy their silence and continued loyalty. The suit specifically charges the NRA as a whole, as well as Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre, former Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Wilson “Woody” Phillips, former Chief of Staff and the Executive Director of General Operations Joshua Powell, and Corporate Secretary and General Counsel John Frazer with failing to manage the NRA’s funds and failing to follow numerous state and federal laws, contributing to the loss of more than $64 million in just three years for the NRA.

In the complaint, Attorney General James lays out dozens of examples where the four individual defendants failed to fulfill their fiduciary duty to the NRA and used millions upon millions from NRA reserves for personal use, including trips for them and their families to the Bahamas, private jets, expensive meals, and other private travel. In addition to shuttering the NRA’s doors, Attorney General James seeks to recoup millions in lost assets and to stop the four individual defendants from serving on the board of any not-for-profit charitable organization in the state of New York again.

“The NRA’s influence has been so powerful that the organization went unchecked for decades while top executives funneled millions into their own pockets,” said Attorney General James. “The NRA is fraught with fraud and abuse, which is why, today, we seek to dissolve the NRA, because no organization is above the law.”

Since 1871, the NRA has operated as a New York-registered 501(c)(4) not-for-profit, charitable corporation. Under state law not-for-profit, charitable corporations are required to register and file annual financial reports with the Charities Bureau in the Office of the Attorney General (OAG). The assets are required to be used in a way that serves the interests of NRA membership and that advance the organization’s charitable mission. However, as today’s complaint lays out, the NRA is alleged to have fostered a culture of noncompliance and disregard for internal controls that led to the waste and loss of millions in assets and contributed to the NRA reaching its current deteriorated financial state. The NRA’s internal policies were repeatedly not followed and were even blatantly ignored by senior leaders. Furthermore, the NRA board’s audit committee was negligent in its duty to ensure appropriate, competent, and judicious stewardship of assets by NRA leadership. Specifically, the committee failed to assure standard fiscal controls, failed to respond adequately to whistleblowers, affirmatively took steps to conceal the nature and scope of whistleblower concerns from external auditors, and failed to review potential conflicts of interest for employees.

NRA’s Culture of Self-Dealing, Mismanagement, and Negligence

The lawsuit alleges that the four men instituted a culture of self-dealing, mismanagement, and negligent oversight at the NRA that was illegal, oppressive, and fraudulent. They overrode and evaded internal controls to allow themselves, their families, favored board members, employees, and vendors to benefit through reimbursed expenses, related party transactions, excess compensation, side deals, and waste of charitable assets without regard to the NRA’s best interests.

When board members challenged LaPierre and others over their financial governance and leadership of the NRA, LaPierre retaliated and turned the board against those who attempted to challenge the illegal behavior.

The complaint lays out numerous other instances in which LaPierre, Phillips, Powell, Frazer, and other executives and board members at the NRA abused their power and illegally diverted or facilitated the diversion of tens of millions of dollars from the NRA. These funds were in addition to millions of dollars the four individual defendants were already receiving in grossly excessive salaries and bonuses that were not in line with the best practices and prudent standards for evaluating and determining compensation.

Wayne LaPierre – Executive Vice-President

In his nearly three decades as executive vice-president, Wayne LaPierre ran the day-to-day operations of the NRA and exploited the organization for his and his family’s financial benefit, and the benefit of a close circle of NRA staff, board members, and vendors. Of note, LaPierre:

Spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of the NRA’s charitable assets for private plane trips for himself and his family, including extended family when he was not present.
Visited the Bahamas by private air charter at least eight times in an approximate three-year period with his family, at a cost of more than $500,000 to the NRA. On many of those trips, LaPierre and his family were gifted the use of a 107-foot yacht owned by an NRA vendor.
Traveled to Africa with his wife for all-expense paid safaris, gifted by an NRA vendor.
Spent millions on unwarranted travel consultants for decades, including for the booking of luxury black car services — spending more than $3.6 million in the last two years alone.
Secured a post-employment contract for himself with the NRA, without board approval, currently valued at more than $17 million.
Allotted several millions of dollars annually in NRA funds for private security costs for himself and his family without sufficient oversight on their use.
Received more than $1.2 million in expense reimbursements in just a four-year period for expenditures that included gifts for favored friends and vendors; travel expenses for himself and his family; and membership fees at golf clubs, hotels, and other member clubs.
Secured lucrative consulting contracts for ex-employees and board members worth millions.
The complaint alleges that as executive vice-president, LaPierre handpicked individuals in senior staff positions at the NRA that have shown themselves to be loyal to LaPierre as an individual, rather than to the organization. Time and time again, LaPierre has shown that loyalty, more than competence and responsibility, is integral to his staffing picks, which led him to personally hire Phillips, Powell, and Frazer — some chosen despite failing to meet the necessary skills or experience for their respective roles and responsibilities.

Wilson “Woody” Phillips – Former Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer

Woody Phillips — the former treasurer and CFO, who was responsible for managing the books and financial operations of the NRA — engaged in practices that violated NRA policy, lied on financial disclosure forms, and set up a deal worth more than $1 million that benefitted his girlfriend. Just before his retirement in 2018, Phillips obtained a contract for himself worth $1.8 million, purportedly for monthly consulting services to the incoming treasurer, even though the current treasurer knew nothing about this contract and has confirmed that “Woody [Phillips] never consulted for me.” Phillips, having served in the capacity as the chief steward of the organization's finances, also oversaw the financial practices that allowed millions of dollars in entertainment and travel expenses incurred by NRA executives to be fraudulently billed to the NRA as disbursements by the NRA’s largest vendor: Ackerman McQueen, an Oklahoma-based advertising and public relations firm. Furthermore, the complaint asserts that Phillips consistently eschewed his fiduciary duties time and time again, as evidenced by his failure to seriously respond to whistleblower complaints about alleged fiscal improprieties and his readiness to unilaterally authorize payments and contracts outside of the NRA adopted purchasing and contracting policies and procedures.

Joshua Powell – Former Chief of Staff and Executive Director of General Operations

Joshua Powell, the chief of staff to LaPierre, was terminated after just 3.5 years for, among other things, misappropriating NRA funds during his tenure. Powell, who is known as a LaPierre loyalist, received sudden and substantial salary increases almost immediately after starting his position. Within a month, his salary was doubled retroactively to the beginning of his tenure with the NRA to $500,000. After less than a year, Powell’s salary increased to $650,000. A little over two years into the job, Powell’s salary more than tripled from the original $250,000 to $800,000, despite numerous complaints of abusive behavior and evidence of illegal conduct and inappropriate spending. Further, Powell abused the NRA’s policy on housing and relocation reimbursements, pocketing in excess of $100,000 more than NRA rules allowed.

Powell’s tenure was marked by nepotism. LaPierre, Phillips, and Powell also signed off on the hiring of fundraising consultant McKenna & Associates outside of the NRA’s contract process and without going through any approval process. The NRA paid the company more than $5 million over the course of five years. For all of 2018, Powell’s wife was hired as a consultant by McKenna & Associates, and her entire $30,000 monthly consulting fee was passed through the NRA. The hiring of Powell’s wife was hidden from the NRA’s general counsel, in an effort to not draw attention to and affirmatively hide the conflict of interest, and her role was not pre-approved by the NRA board, as the organization’s policy requires. Additionally, Powell requested an NRA vendor to add his father to a rotation of paid photographers, resulting in more than $90,000 in compensation for his father, an expense which was completely passed through to the NRA.

John Frazer – Corporate Secretary and General Counsel

John Frazer was chosen by LaPierre to serve as general counsel and also served as corporate secretary at the NRA. Between 2014 and 2018, Frazer repeatedly failed to comply with board governance procedures, make necessary changes, or advise others that governance changes needed to be made; failed to ensure that financial transactions were being addressed by NRA officers and directors in accordance with law; failed to enforce compliance with the NRA’s conflict of interest policy; and failed to ensure that the NRA was in compliance with laws and policies governing whistleblowers. Additionally, Frazer repeatedly certified false or misleading annual statements.

Ackerman McQueen – NRA’s Public Relations and Advertising Firm

A practice decades-old between LaPierre and Ackerman McQueen’s co-founder — that would continue until the two companies severed ties in 2019 — ensured that Ackerman McQueen would pay for a variety of non-contractual, out-of-pocket expenses for LaPierre and other NRA executives and pass those expenses through to the NRA. The NRA leadership regularly used this pass-through arrangement — where expenses would be paid for by the NRA without written approvals, receipts, or supporting business purpose documentation — to conceal private travel and other costs that were largely personal in nature. Ackerman McQueen would aggregate the expenses into a lump sum amount and provide no details on the nature or purpose of the expenses when billing the NRA for them. The invoices only typically included a one-line description that read “out-of-pocket expenses” and included an invoice total amount. The expenses billed to the NRA for out-of-pocket expenses did not comply with IRS requirements, and, as a result, all such expenses should have been included by the NRA in taxable personal income for LaPierre and other recipients.

Ackerman McQueen was paid more than $70 million in just 2017 and 2018 for “public relations and advertising” services and for “out-of-pocket expenditures” that really went to entertainment and travel incurred by NRA executives and associates without scrutiny from within the organization, including millions for private planes, luxury hotels, memberships to private clubs, special events, fancy meals, and even personal hair and makeup services for LaPierre’s wife.

NRA Audit Committee’s Failure to Audit

Under New York law, the NRA’s audit committee is responsible for overseeing the accounting and financial reporting processes of the organization and the audit of its financial statements, but the culture of noncompliance and disregard for the internal controls is evident within the audit committee. The committee failed to serve as an independent check on LaPierre, his senior staff, and the NRA as a whole, and basically served as a rubber stamp for the organization’s illicit behavior, when it did review finances.

For example, the audit committee is charged with reviewing any contract that has the appearance of a conflict of interest, such as a contracts with insiders referred to as related-party transactions, and must not only perform certain considerations, but also document its deliberations. The committee routinely approved related-party transactions after LaPierre or senior staff entered into such agreements. In fact, in 2018, the audit committee approved seven related-party transactions after the fact, including a contract between the NRA’s then incoming president and Ackerman McQueen. At the time this contract was executed, the terms were known to LaPierre and Phillips, but the audit committee had no knowledge of it. Then, again in 2019 and 2020, the audit committee purportedly approved, retroactively, many other existing NRA contracts, some of which dated back 15 years.

The audit committee’s chair testified during a deposition with the OAG that he had no knowledge of New York law governing audit committees, whistleblowers, or conflicts of interest, and that he could not recall the last time he had seen the audit committee charter that specifically states the audit committee “overs[ees] the integrity of financial information” at the NRA. In fact, the committee chair testified that, in his view and contrary to the charter, the audit committee had no role in oversight of internal controls and that “there is no internal auditing” within the NRA and there hadn’t been one in the whole 19 years he served on the NRA board.

Unsurprisingly, during numerous occasions, the audit committee failed to respond adequately to whistleblowers, failed to appropriately review and approve related-party transactions and conflicts of interest, and failed to adequately oversee external auditors.

Extensive Violations of Fundamental Not-for-Profit Law

Attorney General James alleges in her complaint that the NRA violated multiple laws, including the laws governing the NRA’s charitable status, false reporting on annual filings with the IRS and with the OAG’s Charities Bureau, improper expense documentation, improper wage reporting, improper income tax withholding, failure to make required excise tax reporting and payments, payments in excess of reasonable compensation to disqualified persons, and waste of NRA assets; in direct violation of New York’s Estates, Powers & Trusts Laws; New York’s Not-for-Profit Corporation Law; the New York Prudent Management of Institutional Funds Act; and New York’s Executive Law. The illegal nature of the four individual defendants’ action also violated multiple rules of the NRA’s bylaws, the NRA’s employee handbook, and the NRA’s policy manual.

The failure of the NRA to comply with multiple fiduciary responsibilities and state and federal laws resulted in the NRA seeing substantial losses on its balance sheet: going from a surplus of $27,802,714 in 2015 to a net deficit of $36,276,779 in 2018 — contributing to a total loss of more than $64 million in just three years.

Proposed Resolution

As a result of all the allegations mentioned above, Attorney General James seeks to dissolve the NRA; asks the court to order LaPierre, Phillips, Powell, and Frazer to make full restitution for funds they unlawfully profited and salaries earned while employees; pay penalties; recover illegal and unauthorized payments to the four individuals; remove LaPierre and Frazer from the NRA’s leadership (Phillips and Powell are no longer employed by the NRA); and ensure none of the four individual defendants can ever again serve on the board of a charity in New York.

Attorney General James began her inquiry into the NRA in February 2019.

The matter was led by Bureau Chief James Sheehan and Bureau Co-Chief of the Enforcement Section Emily Stern, with a team of attorneys, legal assistants, and accountants, including Assistant Attorney General and Special Counsel of the Litigation Bureau Monica Connell; Assistant Attorneys General William Wang, Sharon Sash, Jonathan Conley, Stephen Thompson, and Erica James — all of the Charities Bureau; with additional assistance from Chief Accountant Judith Welsh-Liebross, Associate Accountant Darren Beauchamp, and Associate Accountant Charles Aganu; in addition to numerous other individuals at the OAG. The Charities Bureau is part of the Division for Social Justice, which is supervised by Chief Deputy Attorney General Meghan Faux and First Deputy Attorney General Jennifer Levy.
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It hasn't escaped my notice that they're trying to have it dissolved as well.

You do that for outright fraudulent "charities" such as money laundering ones by mob heads or celebrities for tax write offs.

If a liberal leaning charity had its top heads scamming the organization for years, they'd seek to indict and ban them from charities for life, and they'd call for an oversight head to be appointed.

That they're not considering this and going for dissolution, shows that they believe the NRA to be an illegitimate charity.

Basically this is a new phase in the culture war.
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AG is said to be seeking to freeze NRA assets and specifically mentioned the Trump Foundation as an example, re; dissolution
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DC is apparently also suing NRA foundation:

#BREAKING: We are suing the NRA Foundation for misusing charitable funds.

Donors gave money to fund firearms safety, firearms education and marksmanship training. Instead, that money was diverted to support wasteful spending by the NRA and its executives: https://t.co/5uLweQ207l

https://oag.dc.gov/release/ag-racine-su ... charitable
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The NRA stopped being just a gun rights group a long time ago, if it ever was. Now its just another propaganda outlet/possibly funnel for Russian money/possible source of Brownshirt recruitment for the Trump Regime. So excuse me while I play the world's smallest violin.
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So, a charity-esque organization, mostly made up of older people, has a bunch of con-artists take over, and mis-spend all their money.

Yeah, no different then this happening to/via a Church, political party, or similar. After a while, they start to suspect everyone BUT their own kind, and all it takes is a new member or member coming in, saying the right thing, and getting into a position of power.
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Cue the snowflake nazis crying about how this is a greater oppression than jackbooted thugs roughing up peaceful protesters, etc. etc.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2020-08-06 12:37pmNow its just another propaganda outlet/possibly funnel for Russian money/possible source of Brownshirt recruitment for the Trump Regime.
You know that Trump just reactivated V Corps HQ in Poland, and will be moving troops from Germany into Poland -- basically several hundred miles closer to Russian border? That's some genius level quid pro pro by Putin. :angelic:
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The NRA has brought this entirely on itself by allowing itself to be turned into a front for the Klan, but I can't help thinking that there are targets that have broken more actual laws. The aforementioned Klan, for one, or the various white-supremacist militia organisations.
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MKSheppard wrote: 2020-08-06 03:40pm You know that Trump just reactivated V Corps HQ in Poland, and will be moving troops from Germany into Poland -- basically several hundred miles closer to Russian border? That's some genius level quid pro pro by Putin. :angelic:
Yes, those 200 troops are going to make up for the withdrawal of 12,000 troops from Germany, absolutely.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote: 2020-08-06 07:46pm
MKSheppard wrote: 2020-08-06 03:40pm You know that Trump just reactivated V Corps HQ in Poland, and will be moving troops from Germany into Poland -- basically several hundred miles closer to Russian border? That's some genius level quid pro pro by Putin. :angelic:
Yes, those 200 troops are going to make up for the withdrawal of 12,000 troops from Germany, absolutely.
As always, the "patriotic" Right is happy to whore for Putin.

All they really care about is "owning the Libs", keeping the boot on the necks of women, people of colour, etc. Thus, the only "right" that really matters is the right to bear arms (for shooting liberals and brown people), and any crime is excusable and indeed praiseworthy as long as its committed by "their team".
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https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/s ... aint_1.pdf

From another board:

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Zaune wrote: 2020-08-06 06:03pm The NRA has brought this entirely on itself by allowing itself to be turned into a front for the Klan, but I can't help thinking that there are targets that have broken more actual laws. The aforementioned Klan, for one, or the various white-supremacist militia organisations.
Taking down the NRA this way, is a major, major PR move, that will send the other organizations into a mild panic, and will also open the door for law enforcement and regulation to move against them.
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Yeah, ever since La Piere made it his private slush fund something like 20-30 years ago, I won't shed a crocodiles tear for this.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Zaune wrote: 2020-08-06 06:03pm The NRA has brought this entirely on itself by allowing itself to be turned into a front for the Klan, but I can't help thinking that there are targets that have broken more actual laws. The aforementioned Klan, for one, or the various white-supremacist militia organisations.
Those aren't typically organized as nonprofit charities, so this sort of action can't be brought against them.
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Rogue 9 wrote: 2020-08-08 12:04am
Zaune wrote: 2020-08-06 06:03pm The NRA has brought this entirely on itself by allowing itself to be turned into a front for the Klan, but I can't help thinking that there are targets that have broken more actual laws. The aforementioned Klan, for one, or the various white-supremacist militia organisations.
Those aren't typically organized as nonprofit charities, so this sort of action can't be brought against them.
Considering the NY AG did, I'm not sure you can say that. Sure, a State Judge gets the end word, but it does seem like the NY AG can bring it.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Knife wrote: 2020-08-08 12:12am
Rogue 9 wrote: 2020-08-08 12:04am
Zaune wrote: 2020-08-06 06:03pm The NRA has brought this entirely on itself by allowing itself to be turned into a front for the Klan, but I can't help thinking that there are targets that have broken more actual laws. The aforementioned Klan, for one, or the various white-supremacist militia organisations.
Those aren't typically organized as nonprofit charities, so this sort of action can't be brought against them.
Considering the NY AG did, I'm not sure you can say that. Sure, a State Judge gets the end word, but it does seem like the NY AG can bring it.
The NY AG brought such an action against the NRA because it's a registered nonprofit charity in New York. The Ku Klux Klan and militia organizations are not, so rules against nonprofit charities doing such things can't be brought to bear against them. That's what I'm saying.
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Rogue 9 wrote: 2020-08-08 12:04amThose aren't typically organized as nonprofit charities, so this sort of action can't be brought against them.
A cogent point. Although it's probably easier to have them declared domestic terrorist organisations instead... Or maybe not given that membership of the KKK doesn't appear to be a felony yet.
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Zaune wrote: 2020-08-08 07:19am A cogent point. Although it's probably easier to have them declared domestic terrorist organisations instead... Or maybe not given that membership of the KKK doesn't appear to be a felony yet.
Neither is membership in Al-Qaeda, far as I know.
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Re: NY state sues to dissolve NRA

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Rogue 9 wrote: 2020-08-08 01:45am
Knife wrote: 2020-08-08 12:12am
Rogue 9 wrote: 2020-08-08 12:04am
Those aren't typically organized as nonprofit charities, so this sort of action can't be brought against them.
Considering the NY AG did, I'm not sure you can say that. Sure, a State Judge gets the end word, but it does seem like the NY AG can bring it.
The NY AG brought such an action against the NRA because it's a registered nonprofit charity in New York. The Ku Klux Klan and militia organizations are not, so rules against nonprofit charities doing such things can't be brought to bear against them. That's what I'm saying.
My bad, I misunderstood you. I thought you were questioning her ability to bring it to the NRA but you were referring to the KKK. My bad.
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Re: NY state sues to dissolve NRA

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MKSheppard wrote: 2020-08-06 12:01pm It hasn't escaped my notice that they're trying to have it dissolved as well.

You do that for outright fraudulent "charities" such as money laundering ones by mob heads or celebrities for tax write offs.

If a liberal leaning charity had its top heads scamming the organization for years, they'd seek to indict and ban them from charities for life, and they'd call for an oversight head to be appointed.

That they're not considering this and going for dissolution, shows that they believe the NRA to be an illegitimate charity.

Basically this is a new phase in the culture war.
You ARE aware that her argument is essentially the NRA is no longer a charity but a slush fund to fraud Gun owners into funding Pierce lifestyle and corruption/kickback by vendors right?

Or to translate, like the Trump foundation cited , this isn't a charity. It's a scheme intended to defraud Americans to give money to Trump/Lapierce and their cronies.

Just WHY do you think the Trump foundation was cited ???
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Any response from Sheppard .?
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NRA settled the insurance thing a day or so ago.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... -insurance
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — The National Rifle Association is banned from marketing insurance in New York for five years and will pay $2.5 million to settle an investigation into “dangerous” policies promoted to gun owners as a way to cover costs in self-defense shootings, state financial regulators said Wednesday.

The New York State Department of Financial Services announced the consent order with the powerful gun advocacy group after a three-year investigation. State regulators said the NRA violated insurance laws and regulations by acting as an insurance producer without a license by taking part in efforts to solicit and market insurance products, including the NRA’s Carry Guard program.

Carry Guard insurance was launched in 2017 and was promoted to gun-owners as needed coverage to help cover civil and criminal legal costs in the case they shot someone in self-defense. Gun-control advocates called it “murder insurance” in the belief it would encourage gun owners to shoot rather than avoid confrontations.

“The NRA violated the New York insurance law by soliciting dangerous and impermissible insurance products, including those within its Carry Guard program that purported to insure intentional acts and criminal defense costs,” department superintendent Linda Lacewell said in a prepared statement.

The NRA is banned from marketing insurance in New York or receiving compensation in connection with any newly issued New York insurance policies for five years, even if the NRA obtains a license, under the order.

“The DFS inquiry, which began with a roar, ends with a whimper,” William A. Brewer III, counsel to the NRA, said in an email. “The consent order contains no admissions by the NRA, and no NRA member money will fund this settlement.”

From 2000 to 2018, the NRA worked with the Lockton Affinity Series of Lockton Affinity, LLC to offer insurance products to NRA members, their families and affiliated businesses in New York. The NRA received “substantial” compensation, including royalties based on insurance premiums. That means the NRA acted as an insurance producer under New York law, requiring the organization to be licensed, according to the DFS.

More than 28,000 NRA-endorsed policies were placed in New York through Lockton over those 18 years. Between April and mid-November 2017, Carry Guard was marketed and sold throughout the United States, with about 680 policies issued to New York residents. Lockton was fined $7 million in 2018, according to the DFS.

Separately, New York’s Attorney General Letitia James in August sued the NRA, seeking to put the organization out of business over claims that top executives illegally diverted tens of millions of dollars for lavish personal trips, no-show contracts for associates and other questionable expenditures.

The NRA filed its own lawsuit against James, claiming her actions against the group were motivated by her hostility toward its political advocacy. Brewer said the NRA's claims against James, fellow Democrat Gov. Andrew Cuomo and DFS will go forward.
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So does this have any lasting "teeth" to it? or is it a slap on the wrist as it were?
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Crossroads Inc. wrote: 2020-12-02 04:26pm So does this have any lasting "teeth" to it? or is it a slap on the wrist as it were?
I'm leaning towards a slap on the wrist.
However, if there's any other states where they were "selling insurance" and those states want to sue, the door's open now.
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