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[gtg947h]

Best W vs. T battle is the current poll.

[Bluewolf]

Maybe a link or some quotes to as what is going on? Its bit lazy just to tell us like that and hardly helps when currently we have nothing to dicuss.

[Drooling Iguana]

Current link is http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl, however this will no longer be accurate when the next poll is posted. I voted Wesley vs. Jar-Jar. Whoever loses, we win.

[Drooling Iguana]

Ghetto edit: Actually, the direct link to this particular poll is http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1619.

[The Vortex Empire]

Why is Death Star vs Borg Cube winning? That's like Pitbull vs Chihuahua.

[Darth Wong]

Why is Death Star vs Borg Cube winning? That's like Pitbull vs Chihuahua.

A lot of Trektards think that it would actually be a reasonably even fight. In much the same way that some people think creationism and evolution have roughly equal scientific justification. And anyone who disagrees is being an "extremist" or "partisan".

[CaptainChewbacca]

I'd like to see Chewie versus Worf, but given that the wookiee could beat Egome Fass, I don't think its much of a challenge.

[Dooey Jo]

Why is Death Star vs Borg Cube winning? That's like Pitbull vs Chihuahua.

Actually, it's more like a Pitbull vs a piece of grit.

It would be hilarious.

[Darth Hoth]

Why is Death Star vs Borg Cube winning? That's like Pitbull vs Chihuahua.

Actually, it's more like a Pitbull vs a piece of grit.

It would be hilarious.

I would say, more like an SUV running over a cat. If they are not going too fast, they might actually notice and feel sorry for it.

I voted Stormtrooper vs Redshirt. With Shep writing and directing . . .

[Manus Celer Dei]

Some of the comments are hilarious.

. The Borg would only have to crash something into the death star, and the nanites that scrape off would practically self-assimilate the whole thing. Empire droids would be useless against nanites and the vessel is too large for the crew to identify and isolate all of the Borg infected technology before it spreads.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Wouldn't it take 'nanites' something like a thousand years to assimilate the death star?

[Mr Bean]

Wouldn't it take 'nanites' something like a thousand years to assimilate the death star?

Not if you had a moon sized puddle of them, or even half a moon. Remeber you can simply dump more nanites into something to get it to work faster. However you have the issue of workspace and protecting them from radiation.

[Peptuck]

Some of the comments are hilarious.

. The Borg would only have to crash something into the death star, and the nanites that scrape off would practically self-assimilate the whole thing. Empire droids would be useless against nanites and the vessel is too large for the crew to identify and isolate all of the Borg infected technology before it spreads.

Has there ever been an instance of nanites actually "self-assimilating" anything? I know Voyager came up with nanite torpedoes against 8472, but those simply destroyed the bioships, they didn't appear to assimilate them into new Borg craft.

[Darth Wong]

Has there ever been an instance of nanites actually "self-assimilating" anything? I know Voyager came up with nanite torpedoes against 8472, but those simply destroyed the bioships, they didn't appear to assimilate them into new Borg craft.

Considering all of the times Borg drones have gotten onto Federation ships without assimilating everything, I would say "no". Really, by their idiot logic, even the Borg drones that you kill during a boarding attempt should still be able to passively assimilate the ship as their nanoprobes leak out of their deceased bodies.

I don't think these imbeciles understand that the nanoprobes are too weak to survive outside of a host organism, and that they also have no power source outside of a host organism. Dumping a trillion nanites on the outside of a starship hull would have absolutely no effect whatsoever on it. The nanites would be inert due to lack of a power source, and they would be fried off the hull the first time the ship exposed itself to solar radiation or performed an atmospheric entry.

EDIT: Also, I don't think they understand why such tiny devices would be so vulnerable to heat, since none of them understand the first thing about thermodynamics.

[Jericho Kross]

Solo v.s. Kirk for the sheer awesomeness of the matchup.

[CaptainZoidberg]

Jar Jar vs. Wesley.

Woot go Wesley.

[Themightytom]

Solo v.s. Kirk for the sheer awesomeness of the matchup.

seconded. Thats one of my favorite "vs" battles on this threat, along with throwing Garibaldi and ten b5 security into the mix.

[CaptHawkeye]

Isn't DS like 4000 times the size of a cube? They could literally just run over it. Did people just collectively forget about their relative sizes? Ohhhh I see. The nanites would "assimilate" the Death Star just by touching it. Thus carrying out an act nobody has ever seen them do. What, the Treknerds are writing their Paramount Employment Resumes again? Fanfiction.net is the other way guys.

[BountyHunterSAx]

The thing you've got to remember is that to the untrained eye "No Limits Fallacy" is an easy-to-make honest mistake. You see borg drones adapting to weapon shots, you see their cubes adapting to the 'ultimate' weapon shot in BOBW, and it's easy to forget that this sets a lower limit rather than implies perfection. Especially since in the Star Trek universe the Borg adaptation knows oh-so-few limits from the main races (Romulan, Klingon, Feds, Cardassians, etc.).

So they think, the DS might take out one or two cubes, but after that the borg cube adapts and becomes invincible! How that translates to the DS itself dying is...less clear.

-AHMAD

[apocolypse]

Has there ever been an instance of nanites actually "self-assimilating" anything? I know Voyager came up with nanite torpedoes against 8472, but those simply destroyed the bioships, they didn't appear to assimilate them into new Borg craft.

Considering all of the times Borg drones have gotten onto Federation ships without assimilating everything, I would say "no". Really, by their idiot logic, even the Borg drones that you kill during a boarding attempt should still be able to passively assimilate the ship as their nanoprobes leak out of their deceased bodies.

I don't think these imbeciles understand that the nanoprobes are too weak to survive outside of a host organism, and that they also have no power source outside of a host organism. Dumping a trillion nanites on the outside of a starship hull would have absolutely no effect whatsoever on it. The nanites would be inert due to lack of a power source, and they would be fried off the hull the first time the ship exposed itself to solar radiation or performed an atmospheric entry.

EDIT: Also, I don't think they understand why such tiny devices would be so vulnerable to heat, since none of them understand the first thing about thermodynamics.

I think that this is partially due at least to the way that nanites are used/portrayed in Trek. They're fired through a phaser beam, they're used in torpedoes, they're used in mines that once detonated will spread them across 5 LY, etc.

[Darth Wong]

I think that this is partially due at least to the way that nanites are used/portrayed in Trek. They're fired through a phaser beam, they're used in torpedoes, they're used in mines that once detonated will spread them across 5 LY, etc.

And do they ignore all the times they are not simply transmitted through air during Borg boarding attempts? It honestly never occurs to them to ask why special injection tubes are required? It still boils down to viewer stupidity, and an inability to think of even the simplest explanation for all phenomena, rather than leaping to an explanation they can wank, and ignoring all of the contradictions therein.

[Dominus Atheos]

Wasn't there an episode where 7 of 9's nanites assimilated the doctors portable emitter and made some kind of super-borg? Of course that was a one time thing, and the show hit the magic reset button at the end of it so it was like nothing ever happened anyway.

[Aratech]

Wasn't there an episode where 7 of 9's nanites assimilated the doctors portable emitter and made some kind of super-borg? Of course that was a one time thing, and the show hit the magic reset button at the end of it so it was like nothing ever happened anyway.

Yes, entitled 'One' (in my opinion, one of the few good episodes that crummy series ever turned out). The Super Borg, One, was radically advanced, and actually possessed a kinetic energy forcefield that rabid trektards so often claim they had. As a result of this, the Borg were scrambling over each other to try and get this guy. The episode ends with One teleporting himself onto a Borg ship, and hijacking its systems to self destruct it (can't remember if it was a sphere or a cube he took over) The injuries he takes during this are fatal.

[Darth Wong]

Wasn't there an episode where 7 of 9's nanites assimilated the doctors portable emitter and made some kind of super-borg? Of course that was a one time thing, and the show hit the magic reset button at the end of it so it was like nothing ever happened anyway.

It was a transporter accident which magically put her nanites into the mobile emitter. When the Borgified mobile emitter attempted to assimilate something else, it used a pair of tubules, just as they always do.

As for the events of "Scorpion", the torpedoes made direct contact with the ships, and the "5 light year" weapon was never deployed and we don't necessarily know it would have worked (I hate the way Trekkies assume that the characters are infallible so any idea they have must automatically work). If I were attempting to design something like that, I would have to encase each nanoprobe in a relatively huge protective casing, to protect them from their environment. And this casing would then have to be capable of penetrating the skin of a Species 8472 bioship, to deploy the nanoprobe; I dare say the casing would need to be more sophisticated than the nanoprobe itself. If 7 of 9 didn't think of that, then her "5 light year" weapon would just fry all of the nanoprobes upon detonation.

[Vendetta]

I'd like to see Chewie versus Worf, but given that the wookiee could beat Egome Fass, I don't think its much of a challenge.

Anyone can beat Worf up. It's how you show you're a credible physical threat in Star Trek. Beat Worf up.