SFJ Wiki

[Ted C]

Anyone want to confess to being the StarFleet Jedi Wiki comedian/vandal. Granted, JMSpock apparently can't be bothered to monitor or protect the thing, but I think the recent editing over there is pretty childish.

[Venator]

Do you have any links or screenshots?

The worst I've done is add some factual corrections to the trivia on Memory Alpha articles (point out what "introns" actually are, for instance).

[Ted C]

Do you have any links or screenshots?

The worst I've done is add some factual corrections to the trivia on Memory Alpha articles (point out what "introns" actually are, for instance).

No screenshots, but you can easily check out the histories of the affected pages to see what was done. I've done a couple of legitimate edits there myself, and it pleases me to compare the quality and quantity of our content to theirs from time to time.

[Darth Servo]

I've never touched their's. I find it amusing to compare ours with theirs though, as it proves how they need to take the whole debate so seriously while ours is often quite tongue-in-cheek.

[Darth Servo]

ghetto edit: specifically which pages have been vandalized?

[Connor MacLeod]

I keep forgetting they have a wiki, then again I can go days without caring about that board.

What makes you think someone on this board did anything to it anyhow? Are they accusing SD.net of doing it, or what? And if they are throwing such accusations, where is their proof?

And even if someone here DID do it, what makes them think the rest of the board would condone or approve of it? Despite whatever demonizing they may do about Mike and the board in general, he's not able to control or dictate the actions of hundreds of posters, so their actions can hardly be said to reflect on the board as a whole. (Indeed, if anyone did admit to it, one has to wonder how long they would still BE SD.net members.)

[Ted C]

ghetto edit: specifically which pages have been vandalized?

Oh, little things like the home page (pretty dumb of JMSpock not to lock that), the Mike Wong page, the Robert Scott Anderson page, the SWICS page, and the pages describing assorted forums.

I keep forgetting they have a wiki, then again I can go days without caring about that board

As little attention as they pay to it themselves, it's easy to forget.

What makes you think someone on this board did anything to it anyhow?.

Well, the home page was edited to say...

The Starfleet Jedi Forums are hosted on starfleetjedi.net. This discussion board began its life in August 2006, not long before the closure of the second ST-v-SW.net forum. It is administered by User:Jedi Master Spock.

The board is less active than the Stardestroyer.net BBS forums.

Its well known for its Bowlderized outlook on life. Someone once said tit and it took riot police six hours to restrain them from their outrage induced riot. Mike Decockso is the leading pussy on this it would seem.

Someone said cock and he immediately collapsed from the vapors!

... which I might expect from someone here who was in a childish mood.

Are they accusing SD.net of doing it, or what? And if they are throwing such accusations, where is their proof?

And even if someone here DID do it, what makes them think the rest of the board would condone or approve of it? Despite whatever demonizing they may do about Mike and the board in general, he's not able to control or dictate the actions of hundreds of posters, so their actions can hardly be said to reflect on the board as a whole. (Indeed, if anyone did admit to it, one has to wonder how long they would still BE SD.net members.)

Oh, I don't think they're assuming the whole board population here approves, nor do I particularly think it matters. I'm really just curious. The edit to their "Accuracy" template was classic, actually.

Warning, This article contains rampant trektard wankery.

For your own safetly, immediately exit the page if you do not want to see man on man circle jerking.

It fit beautifully with the picture that JMS had chosen for the template.

Still, I would get rather annoyed if I had to do a bunch of reversions on the ImperialWiki, so I don't really approve of this kind of thing.

[Ender]

Would this fall under "board invasion" classification and result in disciplinary action here or no? Because if so, should this have been brought to the attention of the mods prior to posting here?

[Darth Wong]

Would this fall under "board invasion" classification and result in disciplinary action here or no? Because if so, should this have been brought to the attention of the mods prior to posting here?

The problem is that no one's going to announce these kinds of actions here, so we don't know who they are, if they are here at all. For all we know, it's one of the posters who's already been banned, like TrekDestroyer.

[Thanatos]

I haven't really taken a look at much of it, but given all the described explicit references to SDN, there exists the possibility of it being a False Flag attack. A lot of trolls pretend to be the opposite of what they really are and it certainly has given them lots of ammunition to feed their preconceived notion of this site. Just look at all the chest pounding about how this all shows the superiority of SFJ.

[Ted C]

I haven't really taken a look at much of it, but given all the described explicit references to SDN, there exists the possibility of it being a False Flag attack.

I honestly think that editing the template was a little too imaginative for the SFJ crowd.

[Wyrm]

Out of curiosity, I looked at one of the diffs to see if I could spot the vandalism:

...He is particularly notable among fellow fans as the archrival of Michael Wong, and vice versa.

Although that is bit of a misnomer, as archrival implies some kind of parity, and lets all face it, he isn't up to Wong's level as much as we would hope. If Wong notices him, its like when cicadas are in full force and it just becomes background noise. Yeah he's there but who honestly gives a fuck?

Oh and some idiots follow him like a cult. But Marshall Applewhite had followers too, so who the fuck knows?

I laughed out loud reading this. Whoever it is, he/she certainly knows enough about the conflict to recognize who has the superior position.

[harbringer]

No matter how accurate the edits are it is clearly either a) stupid or b) inflamatory. Personally I hope the people here are somewhat more mature than that. I dont mind making fun of them for their narrow minded stupidity but going to the length of altering their site is pretty childish - it would be just stooping to their level IMHO. Thats my opinion im sure a lot of people will hammer me for it but I am entitled to it.

[Covenant]

There's nothing stopping us from making fun of their stupidity here, afterall, so it's disappointing that someone may have actually gone to the trouble of messing with their site. They're entirely unimportant anyway, so I don't understand the motivation. I hope it was actually a false flag attack on themselves, by someone in their group, just to rile things up. This should be discouraged for no other reason than creating unnecessary drama.

[Master of Ossus]

Oh, I don't think they're assuming the whole board population here approves, nor do I particularly think it matters. I'm really just curious. The edit to their "Accuracy" template was classic, actually.

Warning, This article contains rampant trektard wankery.

For your own safetly, immediately exit the page if you do not want to see man on man circle jerking.

It fit beautifully with the picture that JMS had chosen for the template.

Still, I would get rather annoyed if I had to do a bunch of reversions on the ImperialWiki, so I don't really approve of this kind of thing.

That is pretty damn funny, but I honestly don't think that it's a big member here that's doing it. Honestly, I don't care about that board at all. I haven't been there in months (years?), and I can't imagine that I'll go back anytime soon.

[Surlethe]

StarFleet Jedi has a wiki? I haven't even thought about them in months. Like MoO, I can't imagine that any respected member here who has a life would consistently vandalize their wiki; I know if I did (and I haven't), I would get bored and distracted with important things after a day or two and forget about the whole thing.

[Ted C]

StarFleet Jedi has a wiki? I haven't even thought about them in months. Like MoO, I can't imagine that any respected member here who has a life would consistently vandalize their wiki; I know if I did (and I haven't), I would get bored and distracted with important things after a day or two and forget about the whole thing.

Hey, no one suggested that the vandal was a respected member of SDN.

[Swindle1984]

I doubt it's a false flag attack. That'd be too clever for them.

[harbringer]

Swindle you under-estimate the effort they will put into winning look at Stewart from SDI on the hatemail page for an example of how far they will go. That said if it was a false flag they probably can't figure it out, that takes more logic than they are capable of.

[Darth Wong]

I have to say I don't think too highly of this vandalism, if only because it feeds their delusional belief that they actually matter. The reality is that they're utterly insignificant, and I think it's pretty sad that none of them have moved on. They still think SWvST is an active, hotly contested debate.

[Connor MacLeod]

I have to say I don't think too highly of this vandalism, if only because it feeds their delusional belief that they actually matter. The reality is that they're utterly insignificant, and I think it's pretty sad that none of them have moved on. They still think SWvST is an active, hotly contested debate.

Well if you want to be blunt I suspect that its not just them. I suspect there are some wannabes on the SW side too (people who basically came to the debate late, that is) who haven't "moved on" either. You could see some idiot on that side doing something like this (either to show off, score points, or "re-live the glory days" or something equally stupid.)

[Darth Wong]

I have to say I don't think too highly of this vandalism, if only because it feeds their delusional belief that they actually matter. The reality is that they're utterly insignificant, and I think it's pretty sad that none of them have moved on. They still think SWvST is an active, hotly contested debate.

Well if you want to be blunt I suspect that its not just them. I suspect there are some wannabes on the SW side too (people who basically came to the debate late, that is) who haven't "moved on" either. You could see some idiot on that side doing something like this (either to show off, score points, or "re-live the glory days" or something equally stupid.)

I can understand why a newbie hasn't moved on. He hasn't even had time to settle in yet. But people who have been at this for years? Someone needs to sit them down and tell them: "It's over. It's over and nobody cares."

The only way to make these discussions worthwhile at this point is to make them serve as object lessons for some other purpose, like learning about real-life science or military strategy.

[Connor MacLeod]

I can understand why a newbie hasn't moved on. He hasn't even had time to settle in yet. But people who have been at this for years? Someone needs to sit them down and tell them: "It's over. It's over and nobody cares."

Well the debate for most of us has been over for years now. Some of those "newbies" could have come into it shorlty prior to the "ending" or just after and feel like they never got a chance to "make a name for themselves". I could easily see that sort of nonsense influencing someone (especially if they read your site or Waynes, for example.)

Or, it could be someone with personal problems or some such. Its not something that could be just limited to trekkies (Haven't there been a few ASVSers on the SW we know of who turned out to be absolute kooks when they came here?)

[Surlethe]

It wouldn't surprise me if there will always be a constant trickle of people signing up at SFJ to contest the debate, if only because there will always be a constant trickle of newcomers to the debate in general who only learn about it and thus haven't yet gotten bored with it or settled in to this board's culture. Eventually, most of them will grow bored with the repetition and move on to meatier topics (like those in SLAM, N&P, or, for those with the inclination, 40K analysis ); of the few who stay, most of them will stay for the "lulz". Nonetheless, there will probably always be new people to feed SFJ's self-importance.