Quote of the Week: "In the United States, the majority undertakes to supply a multitude of ready-made opinions for the use of individuals, who are thus relieved from the necessity of forming opinions of their own." - Alexis de Tocqueville, French writer (1805-1859)
Donnie Yen vs. Sammo Hong final fight in "Sha Po Lang" Earlier in the movie there was a short fight where Yen armbars Sammo and I was like "Wat? Armbar?" then after the aformentioned fight this came and I was like "Holy Fuck! MMA in an HK film!"
Bruce Lee -- I was just watching Fist of Fury on G4 and man, this stuff might have been good for it's day, but it's pretty silly by modern standards and bears no resemblance to Lee's actual fighting style. Twenty guys go at him and all patiently wait their turn to be dispatched with high kicks to the face.
Rocky -- For serious movies dealing with a real-life sport, the fights are pretty silly. Defense is almost non-existant, and fighters give and receive ludicrous levels of punishment that would ruin their careers/lives in just a few rounds. Not only their own careers, but those of the officials who failed to stop the fight and call a TKO against the guy who just ate 40 unanswered power shots in a row.
Matrix -- The fights are slick but the choreography is frequently iffy. An awful lot of blows appear to have been thrown only to allow the opponent to counter in some creative way. Watch the punches and ask yourself if each one would have landed even if the opponent didn't do anything. Surprisingly often, the answer is no. Still, at least the army of Agent Smith clones remembered that ancient technique called the dogpile, a strategy that would have seen the end of countless dramatically outnumbered movie heroes and which forced even Superman Neo to flee.
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That's simply not the common usage of the term. Papers on weapons development include clubs, swords, spears and daggers as "designed for hand to hand combat" (source (pp. 2-4)), and a book on riot control techniques includes use of riot batons in the hand to hand combat techniques section (source).
I wanted to mention the T-800 and the T-1000 slugging it out in the steel mill in Terminator 2, but it's not so much hand-to-hand as much as hand to gelatinous shape-shifting cyborg mass. Still, it feels more appropriate than sword fights. When I saw that scene as a kid I just thought it was so creative when Arnie throws him face first against the wall and rather than turn around he morphs so that his back becomes his front, and then of course there's the bit where Arnie punches his fist straight through the T-1000's face but he then morphs his hands to where his head used to be and restrains him. Plus it was cool to see a skinny dude toss Arnold around the entire movie. It was a brawl quite unlike anything I had ever seen before.
And on that note, I also thought to mention Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. I love how stylishly silly the action sequences are while still retaining a certain coolness, much like Stephen Chow's films. While the Mathew Patel and Lucas Lee fist fights are both great, I got a real kick out of Gideon's DDR style beatdown.
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Darth Wong wrote:
How fucking retarded does someone have to be in order to post swordfights in response to a thread titled "Your favourite hand to hand fight scenes in film"?
Not very... These threads usually derail off of the OP into "my favorite despite the OP". I posted the TPM lightsaber fight as a laugh at this fact after I a few people already just couldn't resist... Just like I was about to post a Brog cube in the Beautiful ships thread in Sci-Fi, you know, because I think squares made out of space plumbing are beautiful.
The definition of hand to hand may give a technical loop hole, but anyone with two brain cells knew what the OP meant. Even with the mention of fighting with chairs and such in the Bourne fight scene, it was a "designed as a weapon" absent scenario.
Tony Jaa shows you how to clear out 50 goons with style
Oh Jesus, no. At first it's quite cool, but it goes on for way too long. I mean, imagine. You're running into this room, and there's this guy in the middle. Around him are two dozen of your buddies, on the floor, all screaming in pain. Ah, but there's Joey, and you know Joey. Guy's a stone cold killer. He's gonna fuck this gu... OH FUCK! KNEES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BEND LIKE THAT! HOLY SHIT JOEY WHATHEDO TOYOU!? And there's Mike, oh, thank God. Mike'll take care of OH GOD! HE JUST BROKE MIKE'S ELBOWS! AND NOW HE'S LOOKING AT ME!
You honestly cannot tell me that NONE of those guy made a runner for it. Movie mooks are supposed to be dumb, but these guys just lined up to be destroyed. I mean, what happened to a lot of those limbs and joints if it were real, it would cripple you for life. Anyone with half a brain, upon running into that room and seeing two dozen of his buddies on the floor, would NOT think "Ah, I can take him!". They'd think "Man, fuck this shit! I'm outta here!"
At least the staircase scene is a bit more believable. Most of the mooks simply don't see this guy wading through their buddies. Nor does the furniture break easily, which I loved. It looks REAL. It probably IS real furniture, instead of balsawood shit.
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It was like one of those carnage scenes from a nature documentary about warfare in the insect realm. Hundreds of crippled and dying insects littering the floor, while more and more defenders keep rushing to their death, in the hopes of besting a superior adversary.
Man these "lone hero versus twenty mooks" scenes always just make me roll my eyes. Twenty incompetent fattynerds would easily stomp all over the greatest martial artist of all time, provided the fattynerds were sufficiently commited to doing violence and were capable of working together in even the most basic animal-level ways. Form a circle and dogpile, unless the guy can fly he's fucked.
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