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Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Sidewinder » 2011-05-13 03:45pm

I found this at a local bookstore, while looking up Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 novels. It's full of versus scenarios, e.g., the Millenium Falcon vs. the USS Voyager, Jean-Luc Picard vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Khan Noonien Singh vs. Darth Vader... It's amusing, but full of bullshit endings, such as having the Redshirts vs. Stormtroopers battle end in a draw (the author assumes that, because both sides have infinite numbers of expendable troops, the battle will drag on indefinitely), or having B'Elanna Torres kill Commander Cody with a phaser set on kill (the author assumes Cody's armor is no defense against the phaser). At least he doesn't adopt the lasers fallacy and assume Deep Space Nine will survive an encounter with the Death Star.

Anyone else seen the book?
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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Anguirus » 2011-05-13 04:35pm

Hmm, anyone know this Forbeck character? I imagine that if he did so much as Google his title, this site would have popped up.

B'Elanna Torres vs. Commander Cody? Who the fuck would even think of that matchup?
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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Darth Hoth » 2011-05-13 04:56pm

Does anyone expect rational analysis and quantification for something like this? Obviously it will just be the rule of cool and style over substance.

And, no, I have not read it. So if I am wrong, I apologise. But I do expect very little of such a book.
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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Baffalo » 2011-05-14 12:31am

Darth Hoth wrote:Does anyone expect rational analysis and quantification for something like this? Obviously it will just be the rule of cool and style over substance.

And, no, I have not read it. So if I am wrong, I apologise. But I do expect very little of such a book.


See, this is what happens when you let people loose with the literary mindset of a twig in soggy underbrush. You get something so nonsensical, JasonB could replace Shakespeare.
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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Sidewinder » 2011-05-14 02:34am

Anguirus wrote:B'Elanna Torres vs. Commander Cody? Who the fuck would even think of that matchup?

The author filed it under "Weapons- Pistols," because both characters seem to favor pistols. That doesn't even begin to deal with the absurdity of B'Elanna- who, unlike Worf, is NOT a warrior who fanatically spends every waking hour preparing for battle- defeating someone literally made for war, as Cody is.
Please do not make Americans fight giant monsters.

Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.

They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)

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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Norade » 2011-05-14 01:36pm

Yet more dreck designed to sell to those fans who'll still buy anything...
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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2011-05-14 01:55pm

Sidewinder wrote:
Anguirus wrote:B'Elanna Torres vs. Commander Cody? Who the fuck would even think of that matchup?

The author filed it under "Weapons- Pistols," because both characters seem to favor pistols. That doesn't even begin to deal with the absurdity of B'Elanna- who, unlike Worf, is NOT a warrior who fanatically spends every waking hour preparing for battle- defeating someone literally made for war, as Cody is.


Torres was a Starfleet officer, and before that a Marquis. She is not some civilian.

Also, while Cody might be able to survive a phaser shot, I highly doubt he'd survive an overload.

Edit: Stormtroopers vs Redshirts would certainly not end in a draw though. Quality of the troops aside, I'm sure the Empire has more of them.

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Postby Sidewinder » 2011-05-14 03:19pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:Torres was a Starfleet officer, and before that a Marquis. She is not some civilian.

She's an engineer, NOT infantry, ranger, or Special Forces. She likely has MINIMAL combat training, or she'd otherwise waste time she needs to do her REAL JOB: keeping the ship's power plant and propulsion units in working condition.
Also, while Cody might be able to survive a phaser shot, I highly doubt he'd survive an overload.

The book specifically states Torres won by shooting Cody, NOT by using an overloading phaser as an IED. It also claims Cody lost because he was a pacifist, or some bullshit like that.
Please do not make Americans fight giant monsters.

Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.

They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)

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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Anguirus » 2011-05-14 04:08pm

If someone asked me to think of all the Star Trek lead cast who are known for using "pistols," B'Elanna would be about thirtieth on the list. o_0
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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2011-05-14 06:30pm

Sidewinder wrote:She's an engineer, NOT infantry, ranger, or Special Forces. She likely has MINIMAL combat training, or she'd otherwise waste time she needs to do her REAL JOB: keeping the ship's power plant and propulsion units in working condition.


She's been in a lot of combat situations in canon.

The book specifically states Torres won by shooting Cody, NOT by using an overloading phaser as an IED. It also claims Cody lost because he was a pacifist, or some bullshit like that.


Ah, I'm not sure where I got "overload" from. My apologies.

As for Cody being a pacifist, yeah, tell that to Obi-wan Kenobi.

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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Luke Skywalker » 2011-06-29 04:49pm

Does the author factor in calculations or even basic logic/military tactics, or is it a bullshit book lacking any thought out endings?
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Postby Jim Raynor » 2011-06-29 08:48pm

Wait, Commander Cody the clone trooper who coldly obeys military orders? I'm astounded that anyone can call him a "pacifist." :lol:

Arguments based on science, military knowledge, math, and analysis of canon evidence is beyond the understanding and interest of most people not involved in the niche hobby that this site was originally founded on. This was likely written for the casual scifi fan, who just wants to read through fun "what if" scenarios that alternate between dumbed down but genuine arguments, and blatant acknowledgement of the subject's fiction ("because both sides have infinite numbers of expendable troops, the battle will drag on indefinitely").
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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby EnterpriseSovereign » 2011-07-13 09:09am

A lot like some fucknut I was debating on ground combat who wanted to take away the Imperial's vehicles in order to make it a "fair fight".

I read though the online preview and saw the first quiz and saw two glaring errors- first, alternate universe Kirk was born on one of the rescue shuttles, not on the Kelvin itself, and the first captain of the E-Nil was Robert April, not Pike if you go by TAS. Fuck, he can't even get the spelling right, it's "Pike", not "Pyke" :banghead:

It goes on to claim that all the previous Enterprises before D were destroyed, just how much shitting all over canon is this guy trying to do?
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Postby Anguirus » 2011-07-13 11:46am

Wait, Commander Cody the clone trooper who coldly obeys military orders? I'm astounded that anyone can call him a "pacifist." :lol:


Perhaps he wrote "I'm so very sorry...please forgive me" on the shell that killed Obi-Wan's lizard.
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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Purple » 2011-07-13 11:52am

Here is a chilling question. This thing mentions SW characters and becouse it has been published and sold that means it has to have some level of approval from Lucas. Even if that level of approval is simply a license that still technically makes it EU material.

Does that mean this book is cannon?
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Postby Anguirus » 2011-07-13 02:51pm

^ I don't think the conclusion follows from the premises. Many official SW products are non-canon, and many non-official SW products mention SW characters. In fact I don't think this book is a narrative work at all.
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Postby Deathstalker » 2011-07-19 03:52pm

The Deathstalker flipped through the book at Borders the other day. It's a comparison on how cool characters are, which franchise made more money, which has more name recognition and the culture differences like governments and religion. The author gives points to everything, and Spoiler alert! SW wins by point.
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Postby FedRebel » 2011-09-05 10:24pm

Purple wrote:Here is a chilling question. This thing mentions SW characters and becouse it has been published and sold that means it has to have some level of approval from Lucas. Even if that level of approval is simply a license that still technically makes it EU material.

Does that mean this book is cannon?


Wookieepedia wrote:N is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm. Information cut from canon, deleted scenes, or from canceled Star Wars works falls into this category as well, unless another canonical work references it and it is declared c


At the most, that is what this book is.

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Postby Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba » 2011-09-05 11:22pm

Purple wrote:Here is a chilling question. This thing mentions SW characters and becouse it has been published and sold that means it has to have some level of approval from Lucas. Even if that level of approval is simply a license that still technically makes it EU material.

Does that mean this book is cannon?

How the fuck is that 'chilling'.

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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2011-09-05 11:27pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:
Purple wrote:Here is a chilling question. This thing mentions SW characters and becouse it has been published and sold that means it has to have some level of approval from Lucas. Even if that level of approval is simply a license that still technically makes it EU material.

Does that mean this book is cannon?

How the fuck is that 'chilling'.


It would be to people who actually take the vs debate really seriously.

Though I think I read some of this, and the scenarios could be so silly that their having any canon validity would be bad for that reason alone.

Personally I'd love a canon Star Trek vs Star Wars story, but only if it was well-written and classified as an alternate universe story rather than part of the main continuity.

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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Stofsk » 2011-09-06 12:49am

Destructionator XIII wrote:* note this doesn't actually exist. I just made it up for this post.

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Postby Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba » 2011-09-06 01:18am

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Postby Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba » 2011-09-06 02:59am

The Romulan Republic wrote:Though I think I read some of this, and the scenarios could be so silly that their having any canon validity would be bad for that reason alone.

Wait, wait, are there actual functioning grown adults somewhere who care about 'canon'.

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Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek: The Book

Postby Darth Tedious » 2011-09-06 04:17am

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Destructionator giveth, and Destructionator taketh away.

Yeah, but...
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