SD+SB in Middle Earth

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-12 04:01pm

Besides I thought Ray Cav JOINED the Orks....

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-12 04:09pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Besides I thought Ray Cav JOINED the Orks....

Hopefully he was wearing a C4 suit at the time...

We need flamers. I know it was raining, but I want those bastards to burn as well as get hit by supersonic lead.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-12 04:14pm

You know...the more I think about the more I realise what a fun fic this would be to write....

*runs off to a notepad window*

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-12 04:23pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:You know...the more I think about the more I realise what a fun fic this would be to write....

*runs off to a notepad window*

Make sure I'm in it raining gratuitous amounts of lead on nasties.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-12 04:25pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:You know...the more I think about the more I realise what a fun fic this would be to write....

*runs off to a notepad window*
Make sure I'm in it raining gratuitous amounts of lead on nasties.

I'm just sketching down a sort of starting scene right now....I'll be back soon to do some consulting

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-12 04:44pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:PainRack pretty much said no to that idea with some fool brought it up (based on his experience as a conscript in Singapore).

No on what?

Also, who exactly said we would be inside the valley?[/quote]

Someone proposed using demo to destroy the dam. The problem is that none of us have any real skills at demolition other than watching shit blow up, if even that. Furthermore, it is not unlikely that if we try infiltrating to blow the damn we'll get caught - do you want to try and set charges while Uruk-Hai hordes are charging at you, using crossbows, any artillery in Isengard and whatnot?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-12 04:46pm

Durandal wrote:Does "fully-functional military base" include any sort of power plants? Our electronics aren't going to be running on hopes and dreams. We need some method of power generation.

Given that this base will be the only thing consuming the plant's power, I think it'd be feasible to dam up a river, if we have one near us, or use wind power if we're on a plain. Of course, we could also use any available timber for fuel.

I'm not sure. We have a functioning biochem lab, so we'd likely have to have some power for things like centrifuges, autoclaves and whatnot; maybe solar cells (though those only have a 10-15 year lifespan).

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-12 04:48pm

SirNitram wrote:If Helm's Deep is our fortress, our +5/+5 50 Caliburs of Infinite Ammo and our Everloaded Grenade Launchers(Teehee) will be in position, though I would say we need to camo those.. Exposed gun positions will just invite curiousity from the Two Towers.

What, are you going to have Galadriel give out some special gifts, like the Magazine of Limitless Ammunition?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-12 04:50pm

Laird wrote:Yay! It's great to see Phong loves me so much.

::executes Laird::

Though from Highschool chem class I remeber goofing an expriment where I dropped a piece of potasium or was it magnesium into some water and it shattered the beaker with the water.

Sodium, maybe?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-12 04:50pm

phongn wrote:
SirNitram wrote:If Helm's Deep is our fortress, our +5/+5 50 Caliburs of Infinite Ammo and our Everloaded Grenade Launchers(Teehee) will be in position, though I would say we need to camo those.. Exposed gun positions will just invite curiousity from the Two Towers.
What, are you going to have Galadriel give out some special gifts, like the Magazine of Limitless Ammunition?

Fuck, if we can get some decent power supply and had the tools, we could make a laser or at least a HPMW.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-12 04:53pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:1. Clear command structure : this would be the first step before anything else could be accomplished. Leadership and structure are needed, the basic arrangment suggested before seems to be the best one.

Mike already posted two people for this (both Army captains.) We can hash out our NCOs and other officers from the talent pool. They'll probably have to wear different hats as DIs/DSs for awhile as we get trained.

I would suggest an early approach to orthanc...if we arrive that early, then Saruman will not have yet fallen....he could be convinced through a demonstration of technology that he really doesnt want to oppose us, thus eliminating half the problems...then gathering together Gondor and Rohan as the main basis of forces.

I need to consult my copy of LOTR (see Appendix B), but Saruman has already been ensnared by Sauron at this time, IIRC.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-12 04:55pm

phongn wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:PainRack pretty much said no to that idea with some fool brought it up (based on his experience as a conscript in Singapore).
No on what?

Also, who exactly said we would be inside the valley?

Someone proposed using demo to destroy the dam. The problem is that none of us have any real skills at demolition other than watching shit blow up, if even that. Furthermore, it is not unlikely that if we try infiltrating to blow the damn we'll get caught - do you want to try and set charges while Uruk-Hai hordes are charging at you, using crossbows, any artillery in Isengard and whatnot?[/quote]

We're obvoiusly talking about something completely else.

I was talking about helms deep, it's a deep valley surrounded by mountains, yes?

Well before they get there, set up charges at the entrance and when they're in, blow it, then lob in mustard gas galore in the sealed valley.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-12 04:56pm

phongn wrote:
SirNitram wrote:If Helm's Deep is our fortress, our +5/+5 50 Caliburs of Infinite Ammo and our Everloaded Grenade Launchers(Teehee) will be in position, though I would say we need to camo those.. Exposed gun positions will just invite curiousity from the Two Towers.
What, are you going to have Galadriel give out some special gifts, like the Magazine of Limitless Ammunition?

Hey, it says in the opening post, those two weapons are infinite ammo, in our perimeter. But the Magazine Of Limitless Ammo is a good gift to ask for. Write that down.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-12 04:57pm

But demolition is not neccesary, it can be done by barricading the entrance after they travel through.

Essentiially split in two, one at Helms Deep fortress and another hidden one to get in behind them to keep them pinned down while we gas them with mustard gas.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-12 05:01pm

I'm thinking of something post-War, right now, though: we have the option of going back if we choose, right? Could we request a gateway from Primary Earth to Middle Earth?

Think of all of those untapped resources! We can balance the issues of taking care of the environment (because hell, Middle Earth is pretty damned clean) and exploiting whatever stuff they have. Assuming that Aragon becomes King over the Reunited Kingdom - damn, his GDP is going to skyrocket (once we introduce modern economics

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Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-12 05:11pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:But demolition is not neccesary, it can be done by barricading the entrance after they travel through.

Essentiially split in two, one at Helms Deep fortress and another hidden one to get in behind them to keep them pinned down while we gas them with mustard gas.

How do you propose we fool them with even our numbers and Saruman not noticing?

If you have some thermoptic camo we haven't seen (sic) then let us know.

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-02-12 05:17pm

SirNitram wrote: Moral: We are fucked in this way. Think for a moment: We've been ripped from the world we know and thrown out into a medieval-era world, in a military base, no contact with home and about to face a pair of foes with thousands of troops to call on. Establishing links with all the races is absolutely vital, and I do mean all of them.

Moral will be the biggest problem. I don't think that most SD/SB members
are used to follow orders , hard labor , battle ... Turning us into a usefull
fighting force is "mission impossible". We are doomed as soon as someone
find out that we are a bunch of morons with nice stuff.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-12 05:21pm

Thunderfire wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Moral: We are fucked in this way. Think for a moment: We've been ripped from the world we know and thrown out into a medieval-era world, in a military base, no contact with home and about to face a pair of foes with thousands of troops to call on. Establishing links with all the races is absolutely vital, and I do mean all of them.
Moral will be the biggest problem. I don't think that most SD/SB members
are used to follow orders , hard labor , battle ... Turning us into a usefull
fighting force is "mission impossible". We are doomed as soon as someone
find out that we are a bunch of morons with nice stuff.

Of course you mean "morale".

We need the team work thing though, we can't bicker and so forth otherwise we're fucked. We can't just accept that guns will win the day, because we have limited supplies. This is not a simple "use modern tech and stomp everything" since the forces of Sauron and Saruman outnumber is VASTLY.

We're through the looking glass here, people.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-12 05:27pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:But demolition is not neccesary, it can be done by barricading the entrance after they travel through.

Essentiially split in two, one at Helms Deep fortress and another hidden one to get in behind them to keep them pinned down while we gas them with mustard gas.
How do you propose we fool them with even our numbers and Saruman not noticing?

If you have some thermoptic camo we haven't seen (sic) then let us know.

What do you mean? As in the movies the Orcs will march to Helms Deep, we'll also be there, I don't see how anyone excpects that, nor is this Saruman omniscient either, right?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-12 05:32pm

Thunderfire wrote:Morale will be the biggest problem. I don't think that most SD/SB members are used to follow orders , hard labor , battle ... Turning us into a usefull
fighting force is "mission impossible". We are doomed as soon as someone find out that we are a bunch of morons with nice stuff.

We have a year before the events of FOTR begin, we have some bona fide military instructors here, and every man has the motivation to survive so he can get home. Anyone who doesn't throw himself into the training and learn to work as part of a team would be a blithering idiot.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-12 05:36pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:But demolition is not neccesary, it can be done by barricading the entrance after they travel through.

Essentiially split in two, one at Helms Deep fortress and another hidden one to get in behind them to keep them pinned down while we gas them with mustard gas.
How do you propose we fool them with even our numbers and Saruman not noticing?

If you have some thermoptic camo we haven't seen (sic) then let us know.
What do you mean? As in the movies the Orcs will march to Helms Deep, we'll also be there, I don't see how anyone excpects that, nor is this Saruman omniscient either, right?

Saruman has spies everywhere, the birds that flyby Helm's Deep for instance.

We'd have to get pretty far away to be unseen or use some camo or something.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-12 05:37pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Thunderfire wrote:Morale will be the biggest problem. I don't think that most SD/SB members are used to follow orders , hard labor , battle ... Turning us into a usefull
fighting force is "mission impossible". We are doomed as soon as someone find out that we are a bunch of morons with nice stuff.
We have a year before the events of FOTR begin, we have some bona fide military instructors here, and every man has the motivation to survive so he can get home. Anyone who doesn't throw himself into the training and learn to work as part of a team would be a blithering idiot.

We can use them as bait or target practice if that suits them instead, they'll soon get into shape.

I know this would be my chance to do some proper military stuff.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-12 05:39pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote: How do you propose we fool them with even our numbers and Saruman not noticing?

If you have some thermoptic camo we haven't seen (sic) then let us know.
What do you mean? As in the movies the Orcs will march to Helms Deep, we'll also be there, I don't see how anyone excpects that, nor is this Saruman omniscient either, right?
Saruman has spies everywhere, the birds that flyby Helm's Deep for instance.

We'd have to get pretty far away to be unseen or use some camo or something.

Hence why I advocate a base inside Helm's Deep, and camo'd.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-12 05:45pm

SirNitram wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote: What do you mean? As in the movies the Orcs will march to Helms Deep, we'll also be there, I don't see how anyone excpects that, nor is this Saruman omniscient either, right?
Saruman has spies everywhere, the birds that flyby Helm's Deep for instance.

We'd have to get pretty far away to be unseen or use some camo or something.
Hence why I advocate a base inside Helm's Deep, and camo'd.

If they knew what we were packing then they may think an alternate style of attack, but that may be bad.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-12 05:49pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Thunderfire wrote:Morale will be the biggest problem. I don't think that most SD/SB members are used to follow orders , hard labor , battle ... Turning us into a usefull
fighting force is "mission impossible". We are doomed as soon as someone find out that we are a bunch of morons with nice stuff.
We have a year before the events of FOTR begin, we have some bona fide military instructors here, and every man has the motivation to survive so he can get home. Anyone who doesn't throw himself into the training and learn to work as part of a team would be a blithering idiot.

Do not underestimate the human capacity to fight amongst themselves.

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