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fusion wrote:Bah I had trouble converting scientific notation to si units. So you are envisioning it being an alpha strike concentrated into a beam?

And since an alpha strike will be about 1 exaton, I think it might make more sense for it to be 1 exaton beam then.

Also will you be updating the turret explanation post you did back in 2010? The picture you referred to in the post is gone. :(
Alpha-strike in a beam sounds about right. TBH I haven't really tried to scale it, since it's so speculative. The principle is about right though.

I'll annotate the turrets at some point.

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The Crusader gallery is up and finished?
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Still have to finish the area around the nozzles, but almost done.
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fractalsponge1 wrote:Alpha-strike in a beam sounds about right. TBH I haven't really tried to scale it, since it's so speculative. The principle is about right though.

I'll annotate the turrets at some point.

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AT-AT gallery up
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What's the structure over the cheek guns? Sensors? More Dakka?
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Crazedwraith wrote:What's the structure over the cheek guns? Sensors? More Dakka?
Most likely targeting apparatus.
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I interpreted them as searchlights/targeters.

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fractalsponge1 wrote:I interpreted them as searchlights/targeters.

Vehicle Scaling
Always happy to see another scaling shot. Beautiful work.

Edit: Of course only your work could make an AT-AT look like a Chihuahua next to a Bulldog. :D
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23 November 1939 wrote:
fractalsponge1 wrote:I interpreted them as searchlights/targeters.

Vehicle Scaling
Always happy to see another scaling shot. Beautiful work.

Edit: Of course only your work could make an AT-AT look like a Chihuahua next to a Bulldog. :D
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Nice comparison.

I find the last two-legged walker cute, it´s probably the pose but it looks a bit clumsy... or drunk :-D

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Good work on that scaling regarding the various ground vehicles (plus the Chi-class heavy dropship and Lambda-class T-4a shuttle). I must admit, though... I wonder how that All-Terrain Siege Platform is going to fit in the dropship?

Hope your Preying Mantis gets completed soon, as it's the only one of your projects to still be in the WIP stage. Well, that and the Imperialized LAAT/i, the Mon Cal rendition, the streamlined Old Republic ship, and possibly the Coronet, though those haven't appeared in the WIP stage AFAIK, and in the case of the LAAT/Imperial, that hasn't progressed very far.

Aside from the above, I wonder what your plans are for future projects?

EDIT: BTW, did you notice the Salvadora from Star Fox Zero looked a bit similar to your Impellor-class carrier?
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[quote="Weedle McHairybug"]Good work on that scaling regarding the various ground vehicles (plus the Chi-class heavy dropship and Lambda-class T-4a shuttle). I must admit, though... I wonder how that All-Terrain Siege Platform is going to fit in the dropship?/quote]

Far be it from me to impose on FS's canon, but I could personally see some kind of carryall clamp on a lander just dropping them straight into action.

The logistics of loading bay height would be a pain, however.
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Venator wrote:
Weedle McHairybug wrote:Good work on that scaling regarding the various ground vehicles (plus the Chi-class heavy dropship and Lambda-class T-4a shuttle). I must admit, though... I wonder how that All-Terrain Siege Platform is going to fit in the dropship?
Far be it from me to impose on FS's canon, but I could personally see some kind of carryall clamp on a lander just dropping them straight into action.

The logistics of loading bay height would be a pain, however.
Considering the fact that Gozanti freighters are capable of carrying two AT-AT walkers on their undercarriages, I'd say that monster there would be more than capable.

Also, an AT-SP would probably be loaded into a more dedicated transport vessel than an ISD. Maybe some of them could sit aboard the Executor, but I'm guessing that these things would be the sorts of monsters a general would have to order weeks ahead of a campaign. You don't pull these things out when you want to hit a common Rebel installation or respond to a planetary crisis, you bring them out when you intend to crack a fortress world, secure a major operations site, or end an assault that has been raging on one of your worlds for a month. In those situations, you ask the nearest Grand Admiral to dispatch the Deathbringer from deepdock, he gives the command and the transport is loaded up with three AT-SPs and the landing craft, she males her rendezvous with the fleet, the Star Destroyers dispatch AT-ATs and Juggernauts for escort and uses their bombers to clear the landing zone, the three AT-SPs make landfall, and thus the real battle begins.
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swan2swan wrote:
Venator wrote:
Weedle McHairybug wrote:Good work on that scaling regarding the various ground vehicles (plus the Chi-class heavy dropship and Lambda-class T-4a shuttle). I must admit, though... I wonder how that All-Terrain Siege Platform is going to fit in the dropship?
Far be it from me to impose on FS's canon, but I could personally see some kind of carryall clamp on a lander just dropping them straight into action.

The logistics of loading bay height would be a pain, however.
Considering the fact that Gozanti freighters are capable of carrying two AT-AT walkers on their undercarriages, I'd say that monster there would be more than capable.

Also, an AT-SP would probably be loaded into a more dedicated transport vessel than an ISD. Maybe some of them could sit aboard the Executor, but I'm guessing that these things would be the sorts of monsters a general would have to order weeks ahead of a campaign. You don't pull these things out when you want to hit a common Rebel installation or respond to a planetary crisis, you bring them out when you intend to crack a fortress world, secure a major operations site, or end an assault that has been raging on one of your worlds for a month. In those situations, you ask the nearest Grand Admiral to dispatch the Deathbringer from deepdock, he gives the command and the transport is loaded up with three AT-SPs and the landing craft, she males her rendezvous with the fleet, the Star Destroyers dispatch AT-ATs and Juggernauts for escort and uses their bombers to clear the landing zone, the three AT-SPs make landfall, and thus the real battle begins.
I think that's broadly correct. The Chi can load 8xAT-AT, and they can all walk off. The AT-SP is a very specialized vehicle. There's no currently known ISD variant that can take that kind of vehicle. For that matter, there is no known ISD variant that can unload an A6 Juggernaut. Anything much taller than an AT-AT has to use specialized transport.

AT-SPs, because of their monumentally low tactical mobility, are essentially old I-tanks. They waddle up at roughly the speed of infantry and crush fortifications. They also shrug off lighter vehicle attacks, allowing for an under-shield bridgehead to be expanded and not simply hurled back by waves of defending skimmers or the like. The walkers are so immobile that they do need dedicated transport. I think a variant of the Titan dropship can be made to carry an AT-SP, but it would only be able to deploy from things like the Consolidator/Evakmar or Impellor. AT-SPs might be carried by Acclamator variants, but the entire ship itself is the dropship.

So there's a need for a big dedicated dropship to handle AT-SPs, and a smaller carry-all to re-position the smaller walkers quickly. Bonus points if the carryall can itself walk under a shield (dual configuration a la Vulture fighter droid). Hmmm....that gives me an idea
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Thanks for the perspective of role and mobility, I wasn't sure how much individual flexibility they ha.

Alternative idea - transport them disassembled and bolt on the legs (using a quick-fit system, nothing that requires a service bay) at the drop site. You could pack them in that state just about anywhere you could fit an AT-AT.

The downside, of course, is that with how slow and large they are you'd be literally building your armoured units within walking distance of enemy fortifications so... yeah, maybe not.
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This talk about assaulting shielded positions makes me wonder - what about some kind of AT-CV that can carry fighters through a shield perimeter, and then launch them for air support? I don't know if the airspace might be so constricted as to limit the evasive power of the Imperial default of the TIE/ln, but I can imagine a few of them making life a lot harder for the defending snowspeeders at Hoth. Not sure exactly how big a carrier walker would have to be to carry a useful number of fighters, though.
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fractalsponge1 wrote: I think a variant of the Titan dropship can be made to carry an AT-SP
You know, I would *love* it if you ever ventured into 40K... just saying ;)
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Scottish Ninja wrote:Not sure exactly how big a carrier walker would have to be to carry a useful number of fighters, though.
Depends how specialized it is. If all it is is a walking or wheeled platform that can launch TIEs, even an AT-AT-sized vehicle could carry at least half a dozen.

If you want it to be combat-capable, I would go with a significantly smaller fighter and pack them as densely as possible. Load them on vertical or lateral launch rails and have a crane/clamp/arm recover them rather than bother with any kind of landing space. If you upgrade to AT-SP size you could probably launch a full squadron and retain combat potential.

Sort of an AT-AT meets A-Wing meets Colonial Battlestar launch tubes.
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Scottish Ninja wrote:This talk about assaulting shielded positions makes me wonder - what about some kind of AT-CV that can carry fighters through a shield perimeter, and then launch them for air support? I don't know if the airspace might be so constricted as to limit the evasive power of the Imperial default of the TIE/ln, but I can imagine a few of them making life a lot harder for the defending snowspeeders at Hoth. Not sure exactly how big a carrier walker would have to be to carry a useful number of fighters, though.
It's a cool concept, but I'm guessing it would be impractical; the Empire didn't keep TIEs out of the sky at Hoth just because they couldn't reach, but because they would have been shot down. The AT-ATs led the charge because they were able to soak up all the firepower without worry; TIEs would have been vulnerable to higher-mounted anti-air units and infantry fire. Also, keeping the TIEs in space allowed them to hunt down the far-more-valuable transports (and to be fair, there were probably plenty of dogfights happening elsewhere, but we focused on one part of the battle).

Something that carried drones or flying attack troopers would be useful, though.

Also, the Poe Dameron comic featured a really cool First Order dropship that had TIEs and troops all over it; it didn't walk, but it seems like it might fit your bill. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Order_platform
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Btw, did anyone notice how the ISD seen in the new Rogue One trailer (seen in the fore ground when the shot of the DS1 was seen) seems to be a little different from your standard ISD? I noticed it had some highly visibly ventral mounted cannons mounted.
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Abacus wrote:Btw, did anyone notice how the ISD seen in the new Rogue One trailer (seen in the fore ground when the shot of the DS1 was seen) seems to be a little different from your standard ISD? I noticed it had some highly visibly ventral mounted cannons mounted.
That was a Batch 1 ISD - the same design as the Devastator.
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Actually more like batch 1.5 (aka a mix of ISD1 and ISD2) as there's some ISD2 elements on the design.
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If it turns out that that Star Destroyer *is* the Devastator, then that would explain it. That is one of the only original ISDs to be continually upgraded and overhauled with new systems and weaponry throughout it's service history.

But it just struck me as interesting and I wondered if I couldn't leave it here as art-bait for Ansel.
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Should get around to posting this now that the ILM challenge is done:

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