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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Thanas » 2009-11-08 11:04am

There is a reason why my cruiser designs have a range of 10000nm, you know.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Lonestar » 2009-11-08 11:09am

Thanas wrote:There is a reason why my cruiser designs have a range of 10000nm, you know.


There's a reason why my three "Large Commerce Defense Cruisers" have a similar range, you know. :P
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Thanas » 2009-11-08 11:13am

My battlecruiser can easily handle these...if they catch them.

But really, I would advise you not to press the issue.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Lonestar » 2009-11-08 11:14am

removed the Photo commentary from my post.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Mr Bean » 2009-11-08 11:16am

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I also suspect other merchant nations *cough* the brits *cough* do not care for your highway robbery either.

No sir, we do not care for it. Freedom of the Sea's is something that could seriously draw the British in. Even if I have issues facing off against Lonestar since I have a bases on your soil. I really need to do my OOB to figure out what should be forward deployed there.

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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Thanas » 2009-11-08 11:17am

Lonestar wrote:removed the Photo commentary from my post.


Thanks, but there really is no reason for my attache to talk to your foreign minister at this point, without any proof etc.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Lonestar » 2009-11-08 11:20am

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Thanks, but there really is no reason for my attache to talk to your foreign minister at this point, without any proof etc.


Besides "Heading off a potential explosive situation before it gets much worse?"
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Fingolfin_Noldor » 2009-11-08 11:20am

Yeah.. and it seems I will be forced to do my naval OOB at the bare minimum if things are going to proceed as they are.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Thanas » 2009-11-08 11:24am

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Thanks, but there really is no reason for my attache to talk to your foreign minister at this point, without any proof etc.


Besides "Heading off a potential explosive situation before it gets much worse?"


Well, atm all he really would do is to ask for the whereabouts of your ship, and you already sent a message regarding that. As my chancellor does not like to jump in, he would most likely wait until he sees the photos, then order the attacheé to ask about it once more with the photos and then there would be a decision.

So yeah, I would ask you to remove the whole post as there is no reason about my attache to talk with you atm.

But really, this will have to wait till tomorrow or wednesday, as I do not know if I will have internet access then.

EDIT: WIll also remove part about HSF mobilizing, this is premature.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Siege » 2009-11-08 12:08pm

As an aside, Shep mentioned the piracy taking place at respectively 200 and 650nm south of the Suez Canal. 200nm puts you barely south of the Sinai peninsula; 650nm would I believe put you just south of Mecca. It is highly unlikely that any piracy would take place there, as I own both coasts of the the Red Sea down to roughly Suakin (Port Sudan). My navy, relatively small as it may be, would still be nigh-omnipresent in those waters. Any "naval patrols" by anyone that's not me in the northern half of the Red Sea would run into an Egyptian cruiser or destroyer flotilla right quick.

I suggest the troubles be amended as taking place somewhere farther south, in the Gulf of Aden or the Arabian Sea maybe.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Lonestar » 2009-11-08 12:19pm

Siege wrote:As an aside, Shep mentioned the piracy taking place at respectively 200 and 650nm south of the Suez Canal. 200nm puts you barely south of the Sinai peninsula; 650nm would I believe put you just south of Mecca. It is highly unlikely that any piracy would take place there, as I own both coasts of the the Red Sea down to roughly Suakin (Port Sudan). My navy, relatively small as it may be, would still be nigh-omnipresent in those waters. Any "naval patrols" by anyone that's not me in the northern half of the Red Sea would run into an Egyptian cruiser or destroyer flotilla right quick.

I suggest the troubles be amended as taking place somewhere farther south, in the Gulf of Aden or the Arabian Sea maybe.


Yeah, you're right. Gulf of Aden is Better.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Steve » 2009-11-08 12:32pm

A clarification on yard rules: slipways are only needed for construction phase or for full-scale rebuilds. Fitting out periods can be done at normal piers or repair yards, which are separate (I'd say you'd have the same amount of repair slips as you do dedicated construction slips).

As for support troops, I agree we need some way of reflecting them, I like the suggestion of 15,000 actives and 10,000 support personnel in a division of 3 5,000 man brigades.

Also, for purpose of counting one's starting fleet, a ship in construction's tonnage count is equivalent to how much is done. A ship halfway done is half the tonnage cost - a 45,000 ton ship would be counted as 27,500 IOW.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Steve » 2009-11-08 01:08pm

Pretty cute, Evincer, though I should point out Bolivia used to have a Pacific outlet until Chilè seized it in the late 19th Century in a war. In RL of course.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Evincer » 2009-11-08 01:17pm

Yes, that's what I meant by "sufffering territorial humilitations." But yes, in fact in this case, Argentina-Chile seized that exact same territory during the War of the Confederation in 1836, thus accounting for why the borders are identical to today's. Good observation.

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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Steve » 2009-11-08 02:20pm

I actually wish I'd just said "capital slipways period" now, not specifying by tonnage, because now I can't have my battlecruisers/fast battleships without sacrificing my new dreadnoughts' quantity of units. Bah. :evil:
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Ma Deuce » 2009-11-08 10:05pm

Just noticed in the OrBat thread that Baerne is including 40 Fantasque-class destroyers (Destroyer-destroyers, really) in his starting fleet, a type that was not laid down until 1933. Now, if we're not allowing Zor to have Fubukis in his starting fleet even though the first of those was laid down in '26...
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby K. A. Pital » 2009-11-08 10:25pm

That shouldn't be allowed. I don't understand why do people keep trying to use equipment from the other decade.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Steve » 2009-11-08 10:34pm

He may not have seen the year it was developed, though to be fair how much naval material was developed late due to the WNT and resulting slowing of naval design? I honestly intended to adapt the US's mid-30s Farragut-class with SpringSharp into my very latest destroyer, first laid in 1924.

Also, Marina informs me that while SpringSharp does overstate machinery size, that overstatement actually works to emulate turbo-electric drives to an extent. So unless I hear objections maybe we all have turbo-electrics? :mrgreen:
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Ma Deuce » 2009-11-08 11:00pm

Steve wrote:He may not have seen the year it was developed, though to be fair how much naval material was developed late due to the WNT and resulting slowing of naval design?


That shouldn't make as much difference for destroyers though, especially when you consider that the Fantasque class was actually counted as a cruiser under the treaty, even though the French considered them to be large destroyers.

I honestly intended to adapt the US's mid-30s Farragut-class with SpringSharp into my very latest destroyer, first laid in 1924.


The Farragut design isn't too out of line for an early '20s destroyer though, given it's tonnage and continued use of open pedestal mounts for it's guns. The Fantasque, however given it's role (to run down and gun down regular destroyers, just as the original destroyers were designed to do to torpedo boats) is larger than the biggest destroyers the USN fielded during WWII. And the key difference here is that you're springsharping your DD, while he's simply adopting a real design from almost a decade in the "future". If he wants to Springsharp a 20's version of the Fantasque then fine, but I don't see why he should be allowed to simply add a "future" real design to his fleet after you already prevented Zor from doing the same.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Sea Skimmer » 2009-11-08 11:04pm

1930s destroyers had major machinery improvements, you cannot build them in the 1920s. No one should have such destroyers, this type of ship was already subject to the quickest pace of technological change already. The WNT did not hold back development, the London Treaty did, sort of, but not in a very serious manner.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Steve » 2009-11-08 11:06pm

Oh, I agree with you there Ma Deuce. He needs to SpringSharp it or justify it un-SpringSharped as an example of delayed design evolution from the WNT.

And I wasn't intending for the Farragut precisely Skim, just going to try and downgrade its stats into a 1920s-era ship.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Raj Ahten » 2009-11-08 11:07pm

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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Norade » 2009-11-08 11:20pm

Are my 2.1kt destroyers going to be a problem then? I spring sharped them, but they seem a bit larger than historical DD's would have been and are armed with 2x3 5"/45 guns for anti destroyer work.
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Akhlut » 2009-11-08 11:26pm

Man, all this ship drama is making me glad I'm landlocked. :lol:

Anyway, since I'm new to this, I'm just curious as to who gets credit for certain technological developments? I'm wondering this primarily because I intend to use my vast industrial holdings and advanced army to be a world leader in the development of rough-and-ready firearms, due to the hostile environment of Mongolia requiring air-cooled automatic weapons that can handle dust (so, Browning-type machine guns is what I'm interested in developing).
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Re: SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

Postby Steve » 2009-11-08 11:28pm

I decide, based on industry/economy scores, opportunity, and if people ask me kindly.
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