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Next to last Titanicus update:

Page 165
The Manifold was the hard-plug equivalent of the noosphere, an immersive and interactive sensory space through which a princeps comprehended his engine and realised his environment. Orfuls settled back and let the Manifold flood him properly for the first time since plugging, until it felt as though it was seeping in behind his eyes and soaking into his brain.
The Manifold described

Page 167
"Auspex alive."
...
Data plots began to slide and drift across Orfuls’s Manifold vision. Data, almost an overload of data, bombarded him visually and acoustically. Using his sub-links, he intuitively blanked off the clutter, and refined the auspex feed down to the four essential combat principals: heat, motion, mass and code activity.
Spoor.
The Manifold field cleaned up rapidly. Data streams eroded and vanished. The core essentials remained fixed and bright in the middle of his field of vision.
Titan auspex and its translation intot he Manifold. The Princeps can refine or narrow down the data he focuses on, with motion, thermal and mass (?) sensors seeming to be the most important.


Page 167
"Begin data streaming"
..
..a coloured pattern started to blink in the lower left-hand periphery of Orfuls’s view. Morbius Sire had begun transmitting its inload directly back to the rest of the pack, ten kilometres behind them, in a continuous, live feed.
Not sure if the pack is all Warhounds or if it contains battle titans (I suspect the former though) and its not certain if this implies that the point Titan is within the weapons range (coverage) of the others (but that is logical) but its still relaying data back to them.


Page 168
Orfuls expanded his view to three-sixty, taking in the monolithic bulk of Orestes Principal one-fifty-six point three-five kilometres behind him, the delicate peak of Mount Sigilite one-twenty-six point two-four kilometres to the south, and the heat-bleed of Argentum Hive eighty point two-two kilometres ahead. There was a lot of fire smoke coming from Argentum.
Implied wArhound sensor ranges, at least against large scale thermal sources.


Page 168-169
The population of Jeromihah, little more than an authorised shanty town at best, worked the vast refineries at Shalter and Gox. Maglevs had been laid to allow the workforce to commute. Templums had been constructed, scholams, commercias. In ages to come, Jeromihah would become a hive and then it would join Orestes Principal and Argentum Hive together. Then all three would meld into a true super-hive spread.
commentary on the habitation of part of Orestes. Sort of a pre-hive state and the various organs of civilian life. Eventually it will become a hive, and then a hive cluster (super-hive). They use maglev for commuting (public transit makes more sense than individual vehicles.)


Page 169
Via the Manifold, Orfuls was privy to a Munitorum inload that listed every hab, every registered identity, every family no longer living in the demolished dwellings.
Everywhere he looked, he could read the names of workers, their wives and children, people who would never return, families that hadn’t made it out alive, the dead, the missing, the unidentified
"Cancel population census manifest."
The Munitorum (do they mean Administratum? Or does the Munitorum handle civilian data in warzones?) keeps track of the civilian population in great (census taking) detail it seems.
On another hand its a nice little tidbit driving home that war isn't really glorious but horrible. Pitiful as life in the Imperium is, they had a relatively peaceful, productive life, and Chaos has taken that away from them. Taken that peace of mind and security, and for many taken away loved ones. Reminding me again why I like Dan Abnett as a 'war' writer.

PAge 171
"Boost the auspex"
..
Hard return. The bastard was big. Three thousand and six hundred metres away to the east, an engine was in motion. It was betrayed by its heat signature, the wash of its weapons and its metallic bulk.
Thermal sensor range against Reaver Titan fby a Warhound.


Page 172
Orfuls was hearing the transmissions of an armoured artillery company, Pride Eighty-Eight: Thunderers, Bombards and Manticores, the crews screaming at each other for a target solution...
PDF artillery company and its composition. Does fuck all against a Reaver.


Page 173-174
The target pipper suddenly chimed, fixed on the source of heat and light.
...
The Warhound took off, moving from idle to sprint in less than twenty seconds.
.
Orfuls channelled the solution to his right hand.
<target now fixed.>
They acquired target from 3.6 km or so out, and then directed the targeting solution shortly after making full stride (20 sconds or so) to the plasma blastgun. Implying that the warhound weapons are at least 3-4 km roughly.


Page 174
Orfuls accessed the pre-set target. Throne, it was a big, ugly beast, twice the height and mass of Morbius Sire.
The Reaver, twice the mass and height of a Warhound. In the ovel two plasma blastgun volleys take down the Reaver, although its condition prior to this we don't know.


PAge 178
Given the orbitals, the PDF arrays and the military data-feeds, the governor’s command and control networks would have no trouble maintaining an ongoing assessment of the fighting.
Imperial commanders command and control on Orestes, at least insofar as the military component of it goes, as well as the sources (orbital and ground based.)

Page 179
The executor’s transport was a giant armoured crawler. Sonne, the famulous, had mentioned the vehicle’s pattern name and type at some point, but Etta had forgotten the details. Five decks and an observation bridge rode on three pairs of heavy-gauge treads, protected by a ceramite reinforced hull and void shields.
Some sort of superheavy. Possibly a Leviathan or a variant of such.


Page 180-181
The observation bridge was a blister of armoured glass at the prow of the crawler. Ten metres above ground..
Approximate height of the superheavy in question.


Page 182
The executor’s crawler led a van of fifty similar vehicles, most of them ammunition carriers, some of them troop transports. Light armour and weapon platforms scooted along beside them, and flocks of Vultures and Valkyries droned overhead in close escort. Crusius’s transport alone had eight Hydra platforms and six skitarii quick-guns slaved to it, their raised weapons constantly circling and switch-targeting any potential threat.
Mechanicus escorts for the crawler, and its defensive armments

Page 183
Hosts of the skitarii marched with them, rowdy and alarming. To Etta Severin, the skitarii seemed the polar opposite of the Guard or the PDF. They were gaudy, bestial, loud and brutish. They chomped for war, and uttered terrifying group yells of testosterone-fuelled antipathy. They were also non-uniform. She had never seen such a hybrid mix of feathers, furs, inbuilt weapons, claws, augmetics, engineering fangs, plumes, body armour, decorations and jewels.
Invicta Skitarii again.

Page 183
She counted fifteen Warlords of Invicta..
the current strength of Legio Invicta has at least fifteen Warlord class Battle Titans.


Page 188
Faero abruptly came under simultaneous fire from seven ground positions in the streets ahead. Flak and hard cannon flashed off its armour.
"Voids to full!"
Flights of shrieking rockets spat in over the rooftops and burst in sheets of flame across the shields. Heavy cannonfire ruptured walls and timber frames in its eagerness to greet them. Several of the densely-packed buildings ahead of them disintegrated as the shuddering barrage robbed them of all integrity.
...
The enemy brought up heavier shelling to target Faero. Ranged shot, from modified Bombards and Earthshakers, rained down across the court and the slaughtersheds.
..
Falling shells detonated in the sub-streets and alleys behind the Titan, gouging out deep craters and exposing foetid cellars.
..
The steady impact of the shell-fall was so heavy that Faero rocked back on its heels slightly.
"Voids holding!"
Warlord under Archenemy bombardment. Voids holding.


Page 188
Kung responded aggressively, blitzing turbo fire from his left limb. Traversing, he levelled an entire block-row with the turbo,
Turbolaser fire from a Warlord levels 'block-row' which may suggest it leveled an entire block in a single (but sustained) volley.

Page 189
Any heat spot showing up amongst the cold, dark stone of the immediate vicinity, any blurt of scrapcode snatched from the ether, became viable spoor.
...
<Exload situation, Faero!> Bohrman was demanding over the Manifold link.
Already doing twenty things at once effortlessly, Kung data-squirted the tactical picture in response.
Princeps multitasking and again data sharing, as well as target recognition (which is mentioned to swithc the vulcans from one target to the next as fast as the sensor operator provides them.) Frankly the multitasking is damned impressive for an augmented meatbag.


PAge 190-191
"icarian Faero is undamaged at this time, and has made kills on nine ground targets."
"Ten,"
...
"Princeps Kung is currently tagging forty-eight sources of ordnance or heavy weapons fire."
...
"He’s taking fire from forty-eight sources?"
"His shields are holding, mamzel."
Again indication of the level of firepower that the Warlord titan is enduring from Chaos gunnery, although its not exactly easy to calc.


Page 191-192
About a dozen weaponised servitors, heavy-frame models..
..
He lowered the declination of the turbo laser and raked the roadway around the Titan’s feet, swivelling the engine at the waist to increase the cone of fire. The harassing servitors suffered for their daring. Two vapourised. Another three took such severe damage that their carriages were flung aside in pieces.
..
.Kung turned one powerful stride into a crude kick that caught one of the servitors head-on and sent it crashing and bouncing down the street.
two battle servitiors 'vaporised' by lasfire, although without knowing their mass or composition its hard to calc exactly. Megajoule range at least certainly, since they seem quite large and heavily armed to even be a remote irritation ot a warlord (much less for one to kick a battle servitor.)


Page 193
Kung’s sensori was still patiently tagging every piece of spoor the auspex registered: scrapcode, motor noise, exhaust heat, motion tremor.
..
The wounded structures of the subsid were not sparing the enemy units: the stone and rockcrete walls neither hid them from Faero’s gaze nor protected them from its reach.
Warlord sensors again.


Page 193
The engagement had lasted nine minutes. In that time, Sicarian Faero had levelled five blocks of Old Silo and made thirty-four kills.
Results of the battle. The Titan has taken nine minutes worth of sustained bombardment as noted before (rockets, ordnance, and the like with voids never even flickering from scores of gun platforms, it wipes out 34 inr return and levels five blocks in that same time with its weapons.. and the levelling could be argued to be a mere side effect and definitely not a result of sustained firepower.


Page 193
Daross, his moderati, kept a careful watch on the vital monitor. At this pitch of battle, it was not unknown for a princeps to stroke out, suffer a grand mal, or snap his sanity completely and become lost in the screaming maelstrom of the MIU.
Dangers to a Princeps due to MIU. One of the jobs of the Moderati obviously is to keep an eye (and guard against) such dangers to the Princeps.


Page 195
Kung winced as the shot struck his voids at the abdominal rectus, flaring out a shower of energy dissipation. The voids held, but an angry psychostigmatic welt appeared on the flesh of Kung’s washboard stomach.
An unfortunate side effect of MIU links, it seems. The princeps can feel/receive what the Titan does.


Page 195
Cunning and deliberate, Nekromant Invidiosa was purposefully retargeting the wound, trying to pop the shields.
Sustained fire on a single point/void can overload the shields


Page 195
the starboard carapace mount woke and armed. The mount was a box-form launcher, which Faero carried on its broad right shoulder like a hod. It carried a payload of five missiles.
Warlord carapace mounted missile launcher.


Page 196
Kung launched his first missile.
..
The detonation was considerable. Electromagnetic pulse-shock scrambled the Manifold for a second.
...
..the enemy Warlord had rocked backwards, stumbling. It was still intact, but its frontal voids were writhing and crackling with overload.
Titan missile launches. Its hard to say exactly what this means, convnetional warheads normally don't have EMP, but it may speak more to the way the warhead operates than yield specifically (especially given what we know the AdMech is capable of.) EMP ought to suggest at least its either a specialized anti-shield round of some kind, or its something other than high explosive (not neccesarily nuclear yield, but it could be generated like a nuclear weapon. Say a compact pure-fusion warhead, or a melta explosive, or even a plasma missile.)
Another missile hits it, seemingly weakening the shields and forcing the Warlord to retreat, but evidently not buckling them.


Page 203
A burned-out PDF transport truck
..
Other burned remains were fused into the payload area,..
...
A PDF Centaur lay nose-down in the gulley..
..
The Centaur hadn’t burned. The quad launcher it had been towing had been dragged into the ditch behind it..
A PDF transport truck, and a second Centaur, from the watch station mentioned before. Given this was a 'secondary/tertiary' PDF force by Varco's estimate, it probably gives us an idea of teh equipment such forces have (again having any vehicles is frankly impressive, especially Centaurs.)


Page 205
"The tanks are at least half full"
Fuel quantity in the tanks


Page 205
He checked the munitions boxes. There were half a dozen, each one nesting four hefty mortar shells for the quad. Working together, Varco reckoned he and Sagen could lift and carry one of the boxes.
...
They improvised a sling out of their jackets, and spent twenty minutes hoisting four shells, one at a time, up into the side of the ditch, with Varco leaning out over the rim and Sagen lifting from below
A hint about the quad launcher's shell weights. Its a mortar (thudd gun maybe?) call it tens of kilos apiece each at the very least, at least as much as a Basilisk shell (and perhaps twice that) by my guess.


Page 209
The Centaur had two medium-sized jerry cans lashed behind its left sponson.
..
"The cans will be heavy once they’re full. We can use this as a yoke"
Hint about the weight of the fuel carried in two jerry cans. I'm lazy so I'm gonna guess each holds maybe 10-20 litres of fuel, which ought to correspond to 'heav'y and needing the yoke (and two guys) to haul them back.


Page 210-211
"We’re going to have to drain fuel out of that wreck."
..
"..it’ll take several trips."
...
They reappeared, trudging under the weight of the two cans swinging from the yoke between them.
..
They siphoned the cans into the Centaur’s tanks. It was noxious, multi-fuel fluid: a crude, dirty mixture of recycled chemicals and oils that the goat-like constitutions of the tractors were built to work on. A Centaur’s vulcanor eight plant could pretty much run on anything, and the PDF hadn’t been issued with clean, quality fuel.
...
Trask and Sagen made the next run.
3 trips to be exact, two full and one carrying one and a half cans. This covers the first two trips, as well as a discussion of the fuel quality and the 'multi-fuel' engines of the Centaur. Again like all Imperial Guard machinery, its optimized for versatility and redundancy rather than performance, and given tertiary pdf the fuel isn't that good either. Hell, its amazing they HAVE vehicles at all.
With two runs thats between 40-80 litres if ym previous assumption about can capacity holds, so far.
Another point to mention is that they loaded 7 guys into the Centaur, plus the extra equipment. which does correspond to the driver, gunner and 5 passengers.

Page 212
By the time Trask and Sagen returned with the second fuel load,..
..
"One more load, and that’ll probably be your lot."
Like I said, three trips


Page 214
On the auspex screen, a shape had begun to move in their direction from the east.
"How far away?"
"Three kilometres maximum."
Lower limit on the range of the 'modular' auspex.


PAge 215
Hekton and Trask returned with a can and a half of fuel. Sagen emptied it into the Centaur’s tanks.
Last trip and as I said. That probably means 15-30 more litres for a total of 55-110 litres representing approximately half the fuel capacity of the Centaur. Even if it gets only 1 km per litre thats a good for a hundred, two hundred km easily, and most sources suggest much better fuel milage.

Page 215
Koder gently withdrew his mechadendrites from the auspex and its screen went dark. He looked pale and unsteady.
...
"Drained," Koder replied. "A little movement and sunlight will boost my bio-electrical response."
Techpriest's internal battery will recharge off motion and sunlight/heat. Its worth noting he was powering the auspex for several hours off that same battery (3 trips at maybe 50 minutes each plus another half hour or so is about 3 hours) Even assuming he is only powering it at a few watts or tens of watts thats double or triple digit kj for the battery, which is damn impressive, especially given its apparent recharge capacity. Quite possibly more, given power outupt of a human body is 100 watts or so easily and much of that is waste heat, (say 50-80%) we'd be talking 540-864 kj for the internal battery.
Also mechadendrites can transfer electricty/power to devices.


PAge 218
.. two small drums of cooking oil,..
...
"We could pour the cooking oil into the tanks" Hekton suggested. "Multi-fuel?"
Multi-fuel can run off cooking oil too. good if you happen to have a fast food restraunt nearby I suppose. The particularily interesting thing is that they suggested adding the cooking oil to the already existing (low grade) fuel in the tanks, suggesting that you can actually combine several kinds of fuel into a multi-fuel engine's tank and it will still function (to some degree, at least.) Talk about versatility.


Page 231
Cally broke away from the girl and unshipped her carbine.
I guess the bullpup Tertiary PDF lasgun is a carbine too :P


Page 237
The Warlord stoically walked into the bothersome onslaught.
Then it returned fire.
The entire street block around the little crossroads came apart in a blizzard of explosions and sub-munition detonations. The dwellings, by-yards and alley paths where Activated Twenty-Six had taken cover crumpled and disintegrated as the Warlord’s guns demolished them. Cally and Golla were blown clean off their feet.
Warlord salvo levels a street block. The people mentioned are perhaps 50-200 metres away - those are the only distances mentioned and not much more is provided. Again not exactly nuclear yields but still impressive. And to be fair, the Warlord is fighting a pair of warhounds, so its not as if it has to go all out either. Figure 4 weapons (2 carapace, 2 arm).. we dont know the exact types so lets assume 100-1000 shots basically in that single discharge. If its a 200x200 metre block and no overlap you're talking 40-400 square metres, which might translate to each shot affecting somewhere between 8 and 24 meters in diameter. What that means.. I have no real idea to work beyond. If we're talking something like DPICM we might figure roughly grenade level yields, which would be about a quarter ton to a ton of TNT total, for example, on the low end. Googling around 155mm shells have a blast radius of around 100 metres and can make 30 metre deep craters.. a couple 155mms could maybe do that same levle of damage.
Of course without knowing the weapons and the effects its hard to judge. Energy weapons (and how they work) can affect that greatly too.


Page 245
"I had assumed your bold idea to open the sequestered coils might have yielded something."
...
"an unimaginable morass of virtually garbled material. I had no idea of the corruption or the antiquity of the old records. It is like being handed a small net and asked to dredge an entire ocean for a single pearl that may or may not be there."
Secrecy and ignorance, ALWAYS THE BEST WAY. :D I guess there can be drawbacks to all that data if they don't keep access to it.


Page 249
He had been eight days in the field since his last resupply, moving from skirmish to skirmish and enduring two long engine duels that had hurt him gravely, even though he had ended both as the victor.
Warlord fights eight days and only now is nearly out of ammo and in need of repair and resupply.


Page 249-250
No one had slept since the last reload halt at Gynex eight days before. Their bodies, like the amniotic fluid in his casket and bloodstream, were drowning in toxins and the waste by-products of the stimms, mood elevators and anti-fatigue boosters they had been forced to ingest from the engine’s clinical bio-support, or gland from their modified bodies.
They were sick, all of them: his steersman, his sensori, his moderati, his servitors. They were chemically poisoned, awash with concentrations of synthetic hormones, their reflexes, attention rates and perceptive faculties dulled and distorted to dangerous levels by the demands of over-extended consciousness. Lustig knew his tech-priest was experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations, and Lustig kept suffering hypnic jerks as he teetered on the brink of involuntary slumber. His body was covered in psychostigmatic sores. He felt nauseous, zombified, his acuity stretched into a hideous state of awareness where nothing registered as real any more. He was so tired, he’d given up maintaining the execution log.
The side effects of eight days of uninterrupted combat, no time for even sleep. The interetsing thing is the 'glands' they have to help keep them active and awake as well as the stuff the Titan provides. Again speaking to limits on Titan operations.

PAge 256
.. two fire sources, both at a distance of at least two kilometres. Ignix was being bracketed by long-range bombardment from a brace of enemy engines.
..
<Engine, engine, 2.7 kilometres, bearing 1106 kappa nine.>
Range of Titan guns in this context.


PAge 256-257
...they came under secondary fire across their forwards starboard quarter. It was a mix of field artillery, rocket-propelled munitions and medium laser, and it rattled them hard.
..
Weaponised servitors, and the guntraks and cannon-carriages of enemy skitarii, were advancing on them through the sub-streets of Undergox Edge to their right, lobbing shells and spitting las as they came.
Chaos Skitarii forces again.


Page 259
Gentrian aimed and triggered the mega-bolter, raking the rooftops to their port side. The burst was brief, but the destruction formidable. Servitors, skitarii and roof sections vaporised in a withering row of blasts.
two second burst from a Mega bolter. Hard to calc, but damn impressive even if they simply blow apart rather than literally vaporize.


Page 261
"Princeps, we have eight seconds of fire remaining."
..
Gentrian opened fire. The mega-bolter screamed as it blitzed a super-rapid stream of shells at the oncoming engine. Thousands of small, individual explosions peppered the Warhound’s snout and hull. It recoiled, staggering under the sustained fire. Its shields seemed to shred, and slivers of metal stripped off its painted red plate, revealing bright silver gashes of exposed metal.
Five seconds remaining, 4, 3, 2, 1…
The autoloaders completed their count. The bolter fell silent.
3-4 seconds of mega bolter fire involves thousands of rounds, suggesting mid to high hundreds of rounds per second, and strips the shields. 4 seconds more does severe damage but does not destroy a Warhound.


Page 268-269
He had once been told that no infantry combat, not even the Guard or the vaunted Astartes, could match a skitarii versus skitarii war for frenzy and fury. Bionically enhanced, augmetically accelerated, the onslaught was berserk and savage on both sides.
..
Gearhart privately believed that Lau was simply addicted to the adrenal high of close combat. After all, Lau, like every skitarii, had been drawn from genic programmes that deliberately developed traits of aggression and strength.
Invicta Skitarii.. bionically enhanced, genetically engineered and bred,


Page 269
His integrated weapon limb flared, cremating the death-masked enemies hurling themselves at him. His left hand swung its axe-bill, lopping off heads and severing limbs. Blood and floodstream fluid spattered him. Where his swinging axe and stinging lasgun failed, Lau used his surgically inset canines and modified jaw to bite out throats.
Implied that a lasweapon 'cremates' an enemy skitarii, which probably only refers to the organic portions, so its hard to guess at (no knowing of duration, output, or percentage of body cremated) except its probably somewhere in the megajoule range but less than gigajoule. Its also probably a powerful hellgun analogue (hot shot?) as he's an officer, and probably set for heat ray effects (more energy intensive)

Page 269-270
. Glanded hormones had propelled him into a stimm-fuelled rage, but the strategic centre of his brain, delicately modified to remain intensely calm and focused, even in the pitch of battle, maintained a progressive assessment of the field.
skitarii can be gland warriors as well.

Page 270
A huscarl to his left toppled backwards, his head fused and burning.
Effect of enemy wepaon, hard to say what kind except its probably a pure thermal energy weapon, high KJ ot low MJ perhaps.

Page 271
Lau’s cataphractii were waiting for them with three-dozen sentient gun platforms, twenty mobile batteries and eighteen modified Malcador-pattern tanks, all dressed in the livery of the Legio Invicta and all aligned to target solutions on the arterial. As the enemy skitarii came into view, Dorentine, the gun magos, squirted Lau for permission to fire.
Lau considered the noospheric data carefully as he continued to murder his way across the silo yard
Skitarii combat vehicles. note the datalinking.

Page 275-276
The sensori’s head exploded, showering the cockpit lights with blood and brain matter. The sensori toppled forwards across the main consoles. Gentrian turned to see spiked, bestial skitarii emerging from the hatch at the top of the spinal shaft.
With a cry of horror, the steersman raised his carbine, but he never got to use it. The first skitarii through the hatch shot him as casually as it had shot the sensori. A metal splinter-shell tore out the steersman’s hip and another exploded his throat. He thumped sideways against a bulkhead and sagged, eyes wide, trying to speak as he bled out through his ragged neck.
Gentrian blasted the skitarii. The shotgun load was a wad of fine filament wire and ceramite shot, and it splattered the skitarii across the rear bulkhead of the cockpit. Gentrian pumped the slide of his shotgun and blasted again. A second skitarii exploded from the waist up in a shower of meat, bone and metal.
The third skitarii, rising from the collar of the spinal shaft hatchway, fired its integral lasweapon. The first bolt punctured Gentrian’s torso and came out through his back, cauterising its passage. The second bolt blew the plugs out of his neck.
Skitarii vs Titan crew gunbattle. The shotgun is interesting for one, particularily its effects (not unlike a bolter, just not as explosive, more like flechette or fragmentation), as is the effects of the lasfire. We dont know what explodes the head though. Oh and the splitner shell (some sort of fragmentation weapon again.) The lasbolts are probably double digit kj at least like I estimated before - not much different from last time, really.


Page 278
"It was in the archives, one of many artefacts stored in the sequestration vaults. Egan brought it to me. Much of the component data stored in the old stacks is contained in antique forms, as the Analyticae is discovering to its frustration. Books, printed sheets, handwritten–"
..
"Handwritten records. They were different ages, Enhort. The Mechanicus was once more concerned with knowledge than with the method of its transmission. When we came to Orestes, we brought treasures with us – palimpsests and old hand-copied volumes, manuscripts, voice recordings, objects our forebears thought would be of value. We locked them away in sterile vaults. When this war is done with, executor, I will have all the non-digital archives annotated and transferred for open use in a current format. Knowledge is power, Enhort. How often do we say that? How often do we also forget what we already know?"
Orestes forge seems to be more progressive in that they use more digital and less written stuff, which kind of runs contrary to alot of the more propoganda laden fluff (think Ben Counter for example.)


PAge 279
"That in ten thousand years, we have forgotten more than we can remember. That knowledge may be power, but a dogmatic faith in accepted data is a form of ignorance. There is always something more to know. Ignorance has no limits, memories are filtered by time, forgetting is a sin. Knowledge is the only thing that ever has a definable boundary. Have I shocked you?"
...
"We are so sure of ourselves, aren’t we? The knowledge of the Mechanicus towers over all other species and creeds, even the inscrutable eldar, I believe. We can refine the cosmos into its tiniest parts, atom and cell, electron and molecule, and manipulate them. The Deus Mechanicus has gifted us the power to understand these vital mechanisms. Proud of our art, we have become complacent. We forget to remember. I believe, that there is always more to know than is known."
I think its a very good sentiment, and it plays well on alot of the grimdark 'propoganda' fluff in a new and different way. Giving the AdMech a reason to be backward and secretive, or suppressing knowledge like that (even amongst themselves) makes more sense and is a more human response than merely 'ignorant supersittious techno-magi barely understand shit!' I mean its human to want to forget or ignore the past, or things we find unpleasant or shameful. I think many authors forget that often such 'reasons' provide a good contrast to the 'dark' side of 40K and you need that contrast for it to have any impact. Simply saying IGNORANCE AND SUPERSTITION does nothing, it has to be shown, not told.


Page 286
A small pict-player sat on his workbench, its projection paused. Zember had back-recorded the footage from the public feeds and stalled various frames to copy the colouration and detail of the famous engines.
Space TV and VCR. its little touches, little luxuries like that, that I like. Having TV or vcr (recorder) does not mean you're still not a slave or a serf. :P
The interesting thing about this is that its the wind up toymaker again (who made the clockwork titans) and he's profiting handsomly off the war fever selling titan figurine/toys to 'loyal' buyers, and its an interesting glimpse into just how people can gain (or lose) from a war in so many different ways - emotionally, politically, personally, or economically. The book is indeed made up of the planetary war being represented through the eyes of lots of different individuals, both in good and bad ways.


Page 304
Columns of dirty black smoke spewed lazily from the ruptured heat exchangers on the rear of its hull.
Titans have heat exchangers.


Page 309
"He’s being born"
..
She pumped the man’s chest firmly, forcing the amniotic fluid out of his lungs. There was a great deal of it. Cally helped to wipe it away, and clear it out of the man’s mouth. Golla grinned at her. "Usually, a good slap on the arse is all that’s needed," she said. She leaned in, pressed her mouth against the man’s lips and began to exhale air into his lungs. She alternated this with the pumping motion against the ribs.
..
"Babies usually pick the idea up faster."
Its an interesting analogy, don't you think? Princeps in their Amniotic casks are not unlike a baby inside a mother's womb, it seems. Or there are at least enough obvious parallels that a midwife can save said Princep's life. Kinda interesting really, in a perverse, different way, but it make ssense too.


Page 313-314
"I’m still waiting to be certified for general modification. I have a simple data-plug and inload port. "
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He finally selected one on the princeps’s left shoulder.
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Robor connected his data-drite to the shoulder plug.
Mechanicus menial with simple data plug connects into the ports on a Princeps.


Page 317
Amongst the junk of one of the shelves was a battered field voxcaster, an old PDF-issue unit.
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"Its power cells are dead."
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"You could spike it"... "We used to do that sometimes when we couldn’t afford fresh cells."
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"You take the dead cells and mate them with the power clip off a sidearm. Laspistol is best. Not for long, mind ’cos the cells blow if there’s too much charge. Blow right up in your sweet face. And yours, Reiss."
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"How many times can you do that?"
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"Oh, it’s a one-shot deal. Energy exchange like that pretty much screws the cells to shit, but you get enough juice for a short transmission or two."
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"Does a spiked cell hold its charge?"
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Fiersteen shook his head.
The wonders of STC. I doubt its techpriest approved, but you can (illicitly) modify lasweapon powerpacks to feed a (brief) charge to power a portable vox. The laspistol power pack is clearly vastly more powerful than the vox power cells.
We can also get an idea of laspistol powerpack capacity from this, since a power pack is supposed to be at least comparable, if not better (although not an efficient transfer proces) We dont know the exact pattern of vox, but we know the one from Storm of Iron (and the Munitorum manual) has a kg battery and lasts 10-20 hours, which gives us two ways of establishing that.
There's also real life analogues we coudl draw on:
This page shows all kinds of militay radio batteries. Weights seem to range form a quarter kilo to slightly over a kilo depending on battery type. Going by Wikipedia those batteries seem to have capacities ranging from 100-200 kj per kg which woudl suggest high double digit to low triple digit kj for the batteries on the vox depending on type and mass. I'm leaning more towards 'low triple digits' given the SoI/MM vox.
Then there is by endurance. this link suggests 4 watts power usage for a radio system, while this provides outputs of 1-15 watts depending on reference (output is not neccesairly input, but its a ncie lwoer limit.) If we go with the 4 watt one as a benchmark in 10-20 hours the battery would have between 144-288 kj total, so again we might say high double to low triple digit kj, probably closer to triple digit.
For an average lets say between 50-300 kj for a laspistol pack. At 20-80 shots per pack (Depending on source) you get 1.7-2.5 kj (for the double digit.. 80 doesnt work too well obviously for mid to high double digits :P) whilst 300 is between 10-15 kj for 20-30 shots, and 3.8 kj for 80 shots. Storm of iron specifies that a 'max output' laspistol has 3-4 shots in it which is 12-17 kj to 75-100 kj on the high end. FFG's stuff for variable settings is 2-4x at higher settings (which means at 2x setting laspitols have 3.4-5 kj to 20-30 kj, and about 10-15 shots, and at 4x they have 6.8-10 kj and 40-60 kj per shot, and 'only' 5-8 shots.)


Page 319
"Patent foramen ovale"
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"I’ve heard gynecaes talk about that," said Golla. "It’s a hole. A hole in the heart, in a baby’s heart."
"It’s a small hole in the wall between the upper chambers of the heart," said Robor. "In the womb, a patent foramen ovale is a natural short circuit that allows a developing child’s circulation to bypass the lungs, because the lungs are unexpanded and full of amniotic fluid. It is a pre-natal cardiac function artificially re-set in all princeps who are modified for casket operation."
Again an interesitng parallel between a tanked princeps and a baby in a womb. Puts some interesting context on the Princeps/Titan relationship, in a way. A perverse sort of way, which makes the parallel of a warmaking machine to a life-giving process deliciously obscene, in my mind.
We also learn that Robor, the guy with the data plug who jacked into the princep's shoulder port, was able to communicate with the Princeps, although he was in considerable pain doing so (sharing hte Princeps own pain, likely.. we're talking a sort of mind-impulse unit linkage.)

Page 322
Adept Sinan’s breakthrough, hours before, had been the loose end of the thread. It had allowed Feist’s teams to focus and interlink specific eras of the vast archive, specifying code-type, operation, origin and date. Once they’d found one Mechanicum manifest, they knew what to look for.
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For all twenty-two [Chaos Titans], the Analyticae could provide detailed Mechanicum listing for the original spec, fittings and performance character, records that had not been studied in ten thousand years.
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He had sixteen of his best code-lingual adepts improvising new, shortcut code versions to accelerate the transliteration of particularly obscure or archaic data forms. He had twenty-eight adepts subbing the translated data blocks down into concise rapid-blurt blocks, so that any princeps in the field could inload and access target data as fast as possible. He had forty multi-limb augmented adepts, who had transferred in from the forge fabricatories, all master craftsmen with extremely high multi-motor function skills, and he had put them to work speed-sorting solid data, such as manuscripts and scrolls. Anything digital was being translated and compared. Anything printed was being optically recognised, converted and reformatted.
Analyticae at work, providing data to the military forces to exploit against the enemy as they analyze and sort records.

Page 327
The western bulwark was by far the stoutest and thickest part of the Assembly Yard defences. It was amply supplied with heavy batteries, laser grids and void shielding. The rock was a curtain ninety metres thick, and the cliff face was virtually unscalable by climbing forces. Still, the enemy persisted, despite several airstrikes by the hive’s ground-attack fliers.
Orestes defenses in vairous forms. They have void defenses, batteires (hydras later identified) lasers and ground attack craft.


Page 329
Pietor Gearhart was an ancient being, by any human standards. His body was sixty-eight per cent bionic, and the rest of the flesh was heavily regrafted. He had been bonded to the mind impulse unit of Invictus Antagonistes for three hundred and thirteen years sidereal, and princeps maximus of the legio for two hundred and eighty-three. Prior to his princepture, he had been moderati on the Augustus Terminatus for eighteen years under Lucius Karing, and prior to that, famulous to the cantankerous engine-master Ervin Hekate for six, aboard the indomitable Imperius Dictatio.
Gearhard's career and estimated life.. he's at least 337 years old, probably closer to 350 years or more. Doesnt look to be on his last legs either.


Page 329-331
There was only one thing Gearhart feared, and that was the final submergence of his humanity.
The gradual loss and replacement of his physicality he could tolerate.
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Flesh and bone withered and decayed under such circumstances, no matter how thorough the biological maintenance.
A slow decomposition was to be expected, and few princeps feared it. What was there to regret about the loss of motor function or muscle density in a foot or a hand when you could make the earth quake with your stride, see for a thousand kilometres, and demolish cities with a cursory flick of your mind?
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No, what Gearhart feared was the loss of his personality. He knew that it would come, eventually. As the body atrophied, the mind increasingly withdrew into the dense matrix of the MIU and personality was debraded.
Gearhart had begun to fight back against the inexorable slide by trying to retain his sense of self. He had attempted to establish a human relationship with his crew and his fellow princeps...
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A muffling darkness had begun to swallow the peripheries of his mind, in recent years, as if the outer, human, layers of Pietor Gearhart were rusting away: rusting away, or no longer needed.
Gearhart hated the shadow of encroaching darkness. He didn’t want to become lost in it. He didn’t want to die, or at least cease to be Pietor Gearhart, alone.
First the technical aspect: (Warlord) Titans have an implied sensor/deteciton range of 1000 km, and an implied ability to (with unknown weapons and duration, although presumably short) 'demolish cities'.
Now the other, and most relevant part is Gearhard demonstrates one of the nastier side effects of a Mind impulse link with the titan - the loss of personality and individuality as the link to the machine takes over. Its not the first time we've seen such (Helsreach comes to mind) but its an omnipresent danger and not a trivial one. It really shows there are two sides to the Titans - on one hand its addicting and quite a rush givne the way it works, but on another it can cost you things in the long run.. your physical life, your mind, your humanity. Its not all good.


Page 334
Gearhart could manifoldly see all three Reavers, marching in, hot white against the dull blue wash of the subsid.
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All three of them had fat, multi-loader missile pods on their backs, and two of them had additional missile packs slung as limb mounts. The combined onslaught would have levelled most small towns. Missile after missile, burning darts of fire, whipped in out of the subsid darkness and punched into the Yard’s walls and raised voids. Boiling, billowing hurricanes of combustion belched back from the shields and wall surfaces.
Capabilities and firepower of Reaver titans, again not quite 'city destorying' but 3 of them with their missiles demolishing 'small towns' is still impressive.


Page 335-336
"Alterkate was reported as showing a shield misalignment around the lower motivators. She used to be literally weak at the knees, a bad shield seam. Moderati Bernal, I’m blurting you detail for target solution."
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<Phantom Magnus confirmed as Titanus Briarus at inception/launch. Pre-Heresy Mars-pattern Reaver. Briarus originally displayed a shield point weakness along her carapace at the following squirted vectors.>
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"Target solution on the second engine, my princeps."
Fruits of the 'identification' of enemy titans in the analyticae. and the ability to target weak points in shields for maximum effect.


Page 337
Gearhart’s destructor penetrated the suspected shield weakness along Pugnus Alterkate’s knee-line. Compromised, its shields began to cycle and attempted to re-cohere, but the savage shots had already knee-capped the vile machine.
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Simultaneously, Invictus Antagonistes’s plasma blasts found the specific ancient weakness on the shoulder of Titanus Briarus. It was a small thing, a mild defect, point zero-zero-one of a discrepancy, atomically speaking. The Mechanicum had always been very precise.[
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The port side of Titanus Briarus... ..blew out in a shower of debris and super-heated gas.
Results of the weak points. Again it seems that voids can have 'weak spots' to exploit if you know where to hit.
Also a reference to mechanicum engineering tolerances and scale as far as defects go.
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Last update for Titanicus.. and then I believe I'm done with this til Warmaster

Page 339-340
Vast, ponderous Invictus Antagonistes trod down the steps and unleashed its full arsenal at the retreating Reaver. The enemy engine lashed back with every shot it could make, its multiple missile pods streaming projectiles up at its nemesis at maximum load-rate.
For a brief moment, the Titan Steps lit up as if a noon day sun had come out, and then gone supernova. Barely one hundred metres separated the duelling engines, and they doggedly spent the entire arsenal of several minor wars against one another, point-blank, engine to engine. Ten cubic tonnes of fast-load, high-explosive munitions were expended in the face-off.
The Reaver’s shields failed first.
Its voids shattered under Invictus Antagonistes‘s onslaught. Shuddering, shield-less, it started to quake and rattle, to bruise and lose skin, to abrade and shred. It began to come apart in a welter of plate scraps, metal flying off it. Then something hit its core and it went up.
Reaver vs Warlord. At 100 metres (point blank range) and an indication of the firepower unleashed. 'several minor wars' is interesting, although we dont know what qualifies as a minor war, although it probably involves tons if not kilotons of TNT analogue combined. Near as I can tell conflicts like Korea the dropping of (for example) half a million (or more) tons of bombs alone, whilse the second world wars could easily get itno the millions of tons. Vietnam seems the big winner as per here By that same link the tonnage dropped in say (Iraq) which might be a minor war is 'only' an estimated 80,000 tons. (although I've heard also closer to 88 thousand by other sources.)
Ten cubic tonnes seems more promising... except that 'cubic tonne' is not neccesarily an SI Unit and its somewhat relative at least according to Wikipedia Oddly enough, google returns back a value of 1e9 kg for 'cubic tonne' and 7.5e8 kg, which I'm ont sure how they got it. Assuming that's what Abnett went after (and that might fit with 'several small wars' we get 750,000-1,000,000 tons per cubic ton, which is 7.5-10 megatons over an unspeicfied period of time between the REaver and Warlord. REaver's shields go down first and the firepower wipes it out, Warlord seems okay.
and again I repeat, cubic tonne does not seem to be a real figure, and there's some contest about it, so these figures shoudl be taken with a grain of salt.


Page 342
By the time it had reached the Gynex subs, it had lost a little of its tooth and venom, but its wind’s shear force still put a lot of strain on the engine’s inertial dampers and gyro stabilisers.
Titans have inertial dampers


Page 343-344
A princeps didn’t need to see, and the grimy ports and fuzzy pict-feeds of an engine hardly equipped them well for the task anyway. In engine war, more often than not, given the range and power of a Titan’s arsenal, your opponent was likely to be beyond visual acquisition anyway. Most engine fights took place at a distance of five kilometres plus. Throne help you if you got up close. That was a mutual kill-kill scenario, unless you happened to be a Warhound on a snap-ambush attack...
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A good princeps lived and fought through his instruments, and read the world only through the Manifold, even under distance-clear conditions. Skaugen had often cancelled out pict-feed, optics and, on occasion, closed the cockpit shutters so that he could focus on the instrumentation data.
Titans engage at 5+ km typically (at least by Invicta/Tempestus standards),a nd the implication is quite greater. assuming a 30-40 metre tall ittan you'd have a 'line of sight to the horizon of 20-25 km, which suggests ranges greater than that (and possibly some measure of indirect fire weaponry, at least missiles and probably projectile cannon as well.) '
Titans also very much run on their instruments in battle, rathe rthan eyesight or out a window.


Page 344
.. an Orestes-pattern unit far superior to the old Proximus model, with eizonic capacitors, its own slaved sub-servitor flesh brain, and options for free-sweep, field-retain and multiple target vectoring. Tarses noticed, with some amusement, that it was still given to ghosting.
The new sensor unit. The recurrent ghosting reinforces Tarse earlier belief re: the Titan side effect.


Page 350-351
To an unmodified eye, the main chamber was a dim cave, with toiling adepts hunched over the dark pulpits of their stations while servitors and menials scurried between them, running errands and serving their needs. The central hub glowed like a dying grate in the heart of the room. There was a soft and constant background hum of power feeds, code chatter, mechanical operation and beeping data.
To a noospheric view, the dark, spare physicality of the chamber was transformed into a dazzling vista of realised data blocks, flickering communication tracks and drifting, multi-coloured shoals of code that swam around them all like gaudy reef fish, darting from one operator to the next to feed on and excrete coral-bright packets of information. Haptically guided streams of intelligence zipped back and forth like green tracer fire, exloaded from one adept, inloaded by another. In places, streams had converged in mid-air, creating data matrices as complex as fractal patterns, glowing Mandelbrot crystals where algorithmic programs tied information streams together and compared them. Sometimes, the matrices were fed by streams from three or more diligent operators.
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She watched the constantly moving radiance of the noosphere, and felt reassured by it. To her, it was the life-glow of the Mechanicus. She remembered, vividly, when she had first been modified to appreciate it. She pitied any who could not perceive it, and understood why unmodified Imperials generally regarded the Mechanicus with such wariness and contempt. To an Imperial subject, the devotees of the Mechanicus were dull, hard-plugged, bionically dependent wretches, canting their strange code-tongue and physically subsumed by the technology grafted into their bodies. The Imperials could not see the brighter, bigger and more explicated universe that the Mechanicus shared. Their flesh-minds had no grasp, no grasp whatsoever, of the rapturous, enlightening information-rich medium in which the Mechanicus lived and worked, and learned.
Noospherics to the Admech vs what Imperials see. In a way its kinda beautiful and glorious.. not something you'd expect from the logical, cold, mechanical AdMech. There's a life and wonder to seeing information and data portrayed so vividly contrasted with the drab, uninteresting setup of the unmodified eye. You could kinda understand, perhaps, why they might view technology with a quasi-religious awe, in a way.
It also just kinda shows how interesting haptics and noospherics is as far as reading/assessing information is.. its very interactive.


Page 355-358
"The voids are scouring heavy.."
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"It means we’re in a dry, high-static environment," said Tarses. "It charges dust on the shield auras and makes them squeal."
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<If the enemy has voids raised, won’t they be singing too?>
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<If the enemy is using its shields, moderati, surely they will be audible like ours?>
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"Stand by to run a three-sixty locator sweep, acoustics only."
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The aural phones began to cycle around through three hundred and sixty degrees in their geared sockets up on the heavy mantle, and secondary phone arrays rotated in the shin armour and the thick ceramite cuffs of the weapon limbs.
On the second rotation, they got the bounce.
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"One point one kilometres south-south-east. Triangulation places it near the cooling towers to the rear of the grid station."
Acoustic tracking/targeting of an enemy unit and the range detected at, as well as audible aspect to shield detection (which may refer to 'shield noise' mentioned earlier as well.)


Page 364
Many of the valley pockets were the relics of old quarries, and many of the hills were heaps of neutered slag or rock waste dug up by the massive tillers of the early era geo-harvester machines and terraforming engines. The rusted wrecks of those antique giants could still be discovered out in the Prospection, like the fossilised remains of primordial monsters; machine cadavers the size of starships, half-buried in the bottoms of man-made canyons.
AdMech terraforming stuff. They certainly do build big!


Page 365
As Varco approached the enginseer, he saw that Koder had opened and extended small, slatted receptors from the flesh around his throat and chin, and behind his ears.
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The frills were solar receptors. Koder was trying to replenish his internal power source.
solar powered enginseer! :P

Page 373
thers were fleeing airborne: scout drogues, their worn props chopping hard; battered omnithopters with cracked wings, sawing through the air like fledgling birds; grav-lifted survey plates and the odd, whipping lift-buggy coming in low over the stampede..
Aerial vehicles.. ornithopters and grav ones. Remember antigrav tech is RARE and yet thees aren't wealthy people.


Page 386
The Warhound wasn’t waiting for anything.
Its left weapon limb burped a single pulse of las and vaporised Gram Hekton. When the rancid smoke cleared, there was nothing left except a smoking crater and a few steaming long bones.
Single las-pulse seemingly vaporizes man. triple digit MJ at least for hat single pulse. No idea how big the crater is, maybe double digit MJ with crater even assuming he 'explodes/flays flesh from skin' rather than simply vaporizing (400 j per sq cm)


Page 393
"We argue over the Schism, we debate and speculate. Some forges, such as ours, believe one thing; other elements of our great empire, such as Invicta, as I understand it, believe others. This speculation, these contrary beliefs, are tolerated for the good of free thought. But Feist, my dear Adept Feist, for better or for worse, the Mechanicus is an integral part of a vast and ancient society. The Mechanicus and the Imperium have grown so far together that we have become entirely reliant on one another, and our union depends upon an implicit understanding that the God-Emperor of Mankind is also the Omnissiah of the Mechanicus. What do you suppose would happen, Adept Feist, if we put the lie to that?"
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"The Imperium is old and worn," said Egan quietly, "and embattled on all sides by rapacious enemies. A truth like this would drive a chisel through its foundations and collapse it entirely. Mechanicus and Imperium would dissolve their unity."
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"And neither could survive alone," echoed Solomahn Imanual. "Precisely. You understand, Feist. The truth is a beautiful thing, but it will kill us. No wonder, then, that we sequester it. It is too bright to look upon."
The funny thing about this is, we know its true. The Emperor didn't consider himself divine, but part of his plan in coopting the AdMech was making him think HE was their machien god. And its interesting to consider how that 'schism' would fall out in the Imperium - the Ecclesiarchy and many common people (Imperials) would be baying for the AdMech's blood as heresy, and the AdMech itself (as the novel states) will divide over this, as they can't agree on it... and despite the fact the AdMech has a stranglehold on Imperial technology, it is symbiotically dependent upon that same Imperium to survive, just as the Imperium is dependent upon the AdMech. Together they are strong, divided they will both be destroyed by their enemies.
The irony is that despite the AdMech 'Quest for knowledge' and love of it, contrasted with thier 'ignorance and superstition'... this is actually good stuff to restrict and hide for that very reason. Its too divisive, especially during a war and it adds yet another dimension to the otherwise simplistic 'ignorance and superstition' vs 'knowledge' angle that is the AdMech.


PAge 399
"Contain them. Increase the PDF strength!"
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"‘Mobilise the fourth reserves! Mobilise all Orestes Pride personnel barracked in the hive. "
There is a fourth tier of reserves on top of the tertiary and secondary. :P


Page 405
"Well, that’s it. The entire basis of the Imperial relationship with the Mechanicus is up the spout. They’re claiming – proving, thank you Throne – that the Emperor isn’t divine after all, not to them. Not in their eyes. If this goes the way I think it’s going to go, there’s going to be a lot of blood lost over it."
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"A schism. According to the old lore, the Martian forges only joined with us on the simple understanding that we shared the same god. They acknowledged our Emperor as a facet of their own deity. We were divided empires linked by a common belief."
Things are falling apart as the divisions and conflicts between various organs of the Imperium rise to the surface... distrust and disagreement erupt in conflict at the worst possible time. It really shows how despite being an 'Imperium' that unity is a fragile, illusory thing. Its also kind of ironic that that unity depends fundamentally on a lie perpetuated by a man who never wanted to consider himself a God, either. The AdMech purports the truth but its the Imperials who embrace the lie, rather than the opposite. :P


Page 407
He rose to his feet, the hellgun’s power pack strung over his right shoulder, the assembled weapon comfortable in his grip.
Shoulder mounted hellgun powerpack.


Page 410
"It’s a data ring"
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"encrypted with a core of classified content and built to match any standard data-reader port. Expensive piece of kit. Must be someone’s."
Data ring. can be linked into a vox network and used to transmit information, it seems. (thats how it was used, at least.)


Page 420
The image of Kovenicus, master of the Fleet Invictus, was being transmitted via the Manifold from his ship in low orbit.
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<The fleet is at dispersal, lord,> Kovenicus canted back. <I have made the reserves ready. They can deploy, at your order, in two hours. I have taken the precaution of geo-synching our main cruiser squadron above Orestes Principal.>
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<Draw in all fleet elements, Kov, you old devil. We may not be the mighty Imperial Navy, but we can deliver hurt. Draw up target solutions on the hive zone, all key locations, and charge the main batteries.>
Preparations for orbital bombardment from AdMech vessels, specifically cruisers, and from geosynchronous orbit


Page 422
<Send a summary of this matter with all haste to Mars, under my seal.>
<Lord, I’m sure the situation has already been communicated–>
<Not by us it hasn’t. State the facts and state our position. Urgently request that the magi of Mars study this matter in detail at once and report their findings and conclusions to you directly, for my attention.>
<I will do this thing at once, lord,> Kovenicus canted back.
Invicta sends a message to mars, presumably via astrotelepath.


Page 432
Sonne glanced at his fourth companion, the delicate comm-servitor Obligana.
"Famulous?" she augmitted.
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"You looked at me. Did you desire connection?"
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Obligana searched her buffers for a moment. As she did so, she wiped dew-drops of rain off her high, white forehead with a mechadendrite.
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"No, famulous, I cannot do any of those things."
Servitor that seems to be higher function, witha personality of sorts. It even ist alked to by Sonne (thanked for its services), suggesting its more aware/sentient than most servitors.


Page 432-433
"Calculate this for me, tactical. How far would you get?"
Karsh computed. His eyes pulsed with a hot, yellow venom. <Between eight point six and eight point nine metres into the entrance way. We would take between twelve and seventeen of the Tempestus skitarii down with us before destruction.>
Sonne sighed. "Full marks for effort, boys, but do you think I want to get between eight point six and eight point nine metres into the entrance way?"
<You probably want to get further,> blurted Lux 88.
"Right. All the way to the Analyticae or the office of the Adept Seniorus. How far would that be?"
<Analyticae: nine hundred and four point six metres,> reported Lux 88.
<Office of the Seniorus: fifteen hundred and sixty-nine point two metres,> added Tephlar.
"See what I mean? We’re falling a little short either way. But thanks for showing such spunk."
<I have an automatic grenade launcher,> announced Tephlar, proudly.
"Great. How does that change the calculations, Karsh?"
<Calculating: we would get between fifteen point five and seventeen point three metres into the entrance way. We would take between fifty and fifty-five of the Tempestus skitarii down with us before destruction.>
"So, let’s round up. Better, but not good enough. Agreed?"
The three skitarii murmured a grudging assent.
I thought this scene was funny as fuck. Also one of the Skitarri arm mounts is a grenade launcher.


Page 471-472
Varco rose and took out the scope again. He wiped the lens and activated the thermal switch.
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.. taking the scope, and adjusting it.
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Ten kilometres away, three hundred and seventy metres tall, a throbbing grid of bastard ironwork plunging up at the low sky like a dagger. Corposant, like neon capillaries, sparked off its upper structure into the lank, swollen clouds.
The tower was an Archenemy creation, raised out of the desert dust using the scrap and metal debris left over from Barter Hill and all the other torn-down indigent burgs. Varco realised that it was doing something ugly to the weather. It had to be a shield generator, a massive shield generator. The tower was emitting a vast void field that hid a significant region of the Western Prospection from orbital view, and the field effects were seriously disrupting weather patterns.
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Sixty engines, at the very least, had drawn up around the base of the tower, hooting at the thundering sky like feral beasts: sixty engines hidden from any orbit scans by the cloak of the tower’s void shields.
Void shields used as a masking/stealth measure against orbital detection, with the side effect its disrupting weather patterns something fierce over Orestes. Also a scope with a 10 km range and thermal vision mode.


Page 477-478
There were other faces on the bridge that evening. They had come, unbidden, and lurked like wraiths in the shadows, watching the crew at work. The crew was oblivious to their presence. There, Lucius Karing, hunched and muttering, tutted at the steersman’s sloppy manipulation of the drive train. There, Lodem Banns, Gearhart’s first moderati, dead two centuries back during the Genestealer Wars, watched Bernal at work in his chin-seat. There, Ervin Hekate of Dictatio, upright and grim, waited for the bloodletting to begin. There, Gaetan Sanktos, Gearhart’s predecessor in the princepture of Antagonistes, stood stiff and silent. At his side was Taurus Mengs, who had been princeps before Sanktos, and with them, other faces, paler ghosts, some so old and faded they were scarcely visible, like overwritten script fading on a wall.
Gearhart didn’t know their names, but he knew them all the same. They were the princeps who had commanded Antagonistes down through the ages, an honour roll that dated back ten thousand years to Mars, and the birth of the Imperium, and the death of innocence. They represented a legacy no man, not even Gearhart, could ever fully measure up to. The MIU had summoned them all forth to witness Gearhart’s final action.
As we saw in the Armageddon novels, Titans can retain some mental imprint of the minds/personalities of Princeps and other crew that have come before in the Titan. It creates a sort of history going down the years, centuries, millenia, an unbroken chain of inheritance of sorts.


PAge 479
Gearhart surveyed the data swiftly, blink-absorbing over six thousand separate elements of data track.
Data tracking abilities of Princeps.


Page 486
<Gun-box feed from a cataphractii unit in the Symphony district,> canted Lysenko. <Exloading feed marker to your Manifold view.>
<Inloading,> replied Crusius, switching his eyes to Manifold interface. <Oh, Mars! Is that an Imperator?>
Legio Manifold linkages extend to the Skitarii and CAtaphractii units (which means the ground vehicles and armour) in the data sharing.


Page 498
The skitarii turned on one another, and opened fire. At such close range, their powerful limbguns tore them apart, and splattered the chamber with blood, meat and biomechanical ichor.
Effect of Skitarii weapons of unknown type. basically blowing apart bodies.


Page 499
The front of Tolemy’s robes were soaked with blood and stream juice. He pinched the slit in his throat shut with two manips, and diverted his floodstream via redundant vessels to bypass the ruptured carotids.
Interesting bit of augmetic mechanicus biology. Even with a severed throat they can bypass or work around it.


Page 500
He walked over to one of the exploded skitarii carcasses, and drew a pistol from its belt webbing.
...
Tolemy aimed the pistol and shot the Adept Seniorus six times through the chest. The first shot shattered his spine, the next two exploded the cavitic chambers of his ancient, plastek heart. The other three were simply overkill.
Effect of Skitarii sidearm. Note again the skiarri themselves were blown apart by their limbguns, suggesting they are as powerful as bolters.

Page 504
The Imperator had caught them head-on, and it was levelling city blocks and hive stacks to get at them.
Page 504
<Sensori, I want a full-spectrum shield analysis!>
The sensori rapidly executed the complex task and squirted the results onto the Manifold linkage. Kung examined them, and found that they confirmed what he had already suspected. Augmenautus Rex was wrapped in voids of such power and cohesive performance, they could withstand anything Faero or any of the other engines fired at it. The only way to break them was sustained, erosive fire. If they all hit the same shield section hard enough, for long enough, they might force a rupture. The necessary coordinated bombardment would take minutes to arrange and accomplish.
The moment they commenced such a bombardment, however, Augmenautus Rex would turn on them, and they wouldn’t have anything like minutes left of their lives.
Imperator voids and the means to knock them down.

Page 505-506
He calculated the minimum energetic force required to rupture a single section of the Imperator’s voids, and the rapidity with which such force could be delivered. Perhaps if all the engines locked to a pre-arranged target solution and fired simultaneously? No, the margin for error was too broad. Different engines in different places, each with its own auspex view and firing traits... A vox or cant was too clumsy a tool to ensure full, coordinated fire.
...
<This isn’t up for debate, and there’s no time for discussion. Link your MIUs directly to my engine. Slave to me your auspex and fire control systems. Grant me authority over your Titans.>
<Manifold linkage of MIUs is forbidden!> Theron of Stridex canted.
<If we open our impulses to the Manifold, we risk scrapcode invasion and corruption!> declared Philostartus of Atrox Terribilis.
...
Kung shivered as he felt the links being enabled. He heard the growls and snarls of dozens of other engines, as if he was inside them.
..
The sensory load was numbing. He moaned in distress at the weight pulling on his mind. To be linked to one engine was to chain a feral beast in your head. To be linked, simultaneously, to many, was to peer over the lip of the abyss into hell.
Single princeps linking himself simultaneously (and controlling) dozens of Titans to coordinate their fire on a single targeted point, in orde to overwhlem the Imperator's shields. Not standard AdMech practice, as making such an open linkage between titans seems to leave it open to scrapcode corruption. Still its the best way to maximize coordinated, effective fire between so many units with such accuracy.
Its rather stressing on the Princeps in question, however.


Page 507-508
Dozens of engine minds answered him obediently. Dozens of autoloaders clattered, dozens of missile pods opened their receivers to chamber munitions, dozens of massive main-limb and carapace energy weapons came up to charge, guzzling power from their accumulators. Dozens of crosshairs and target reticules overlaid and pinpointed the same small section of the Imperator’s void structure, the third lower left anterior lumbar. The overlaid targetters formed a hard, glowing mass on the Manifold view, like an incandescent remnant of cobweb.
<Fire!> canted Vancent Kung.
In a perfect action of simultaneous discharge, the merged engines opened fire. From their scattered positions in and around the Symphony, the engines of Invicta and Tempestus lit off in absolute coordination. Stark beams of energy lashed out through the fire and the rain, missiles spat out into the dark, broadsides boomed: enough combined fury to bring down a city.
All of it struck the same ten metre square section of void shield at the same instant.
The third lower left anterior lumbar distorted like blown, wet glass and popped. A nanosecond later, Augmenautus Rex experienced a system-wide, cascade shield failure as the generators blew out, attempting to compensate and underlap the remaining voids.
Enough firepower to demolish a city, delivered by dozens of titans (suggesting single or double digit megatons in a single volley from all the titans weaponry, which works out to firepower in the low kiloton range) striking a 10 metre square section to locally overload shields as mentioned before (rather than eroding them through minutes of sustained fire, which seems to be more involved and durable than this coordinated assault) It doesn't pop all the voids, of course, just some and its remaining voids attempt to redeploy to cover the gap (indicating that voids are layered/sectional in some cases and can reinforce/overlpa to cover gaps.) Such a nature also can point to why they can have seams as well.

PAge 508
The massed engines opened fire again. Kung had held on to the merged link long enough to be sure his gambit had worked. As the batteries of Titans commenced individual fire, and visibly scored hits on the towering superstructure of the Imperator...
..
Augmenautus Rex took ten whole minutes to die. Serial bombardment felled its towers and thorned minarets, shattered its black glass windows and exploded its crenellated battlements. Ablaze, a ghastly, staggering behemoth sheeting white-hot flame and noxious black smoke, it kept firing, and took two more forge-loyal engines down with it.
.
10 minutes of sustained fire from all the engines after the titan is crippled to destroy it. Considering the firepower involved before, this is quite a bit of punishment to take down an Imperator. Eaisly many times the firepower of the concetnrated blast to overload just one shield segment. Double maybe triple digit megatons to wear down an Imperator?


Page 515
Assisted by two surgical servitors, the magos organos operated rapidly to repair the wound in Tolemy’s throat and regraft the skin.
..
He applied the delicate spinnerets of micro-surgical dermal weavers, and slowly drew the lips of the wound together.
Medical magos sealing up slashed throat.


Page 521
<Open the arsenal. All general use or non-assigned servitors must report to fabrication for weapons fitting and combat protocol inloads.>
general use and other servitors can apparently be repurpoesd for combat, at least in emergencies.


Page 527
..braced his feet and triggered the automatic grenade launcher he was modified to carry. Packet munitions detonated amongst the forge warriors swarming towards them. Many were shredded by microshrapnel or knocked over by blast-shock.
Skitarii automatic grenade launcher in action.


Page 527
Tephlar tallied eighteen body kills before a las-bolt exploded his head and felled him like a sack of engine scrap. Lux 88 lost an arm and part of his face, but kept firing until two centre-line gut-shots dropped him to his knees. Stricken and bleeding out from his mortal wounds, Lux 88 took a headshot that spun him off his knees and down onto his back.
Lasfire headsplodes skitarii. Given its probably a hellgun analogue, and Skitarii are bigger (and toughter and more augmetned/armoured than a normal person) its probably much more impressive blowing that head apart. Single digit kj is almost certainly conservative and more like double digit kj.


Page 528
He tallied thirty-one body kills in defence of his master, the famulous. It took one hundred and nine separate hits to overcome his glanded rage and reinforced constitution. He fell half way along the tunnel, almost disarticulated by damage.
Level of punishment Invicta Skitarii endures before being 'killed'. This tends to suggest perhaps that (at least some) Invicta Skitarii may be individually superior to their Tempestus counterparts.


Page 529
A detachment of Imperial Guardsman, three hundred strong, supported by main battle tanks and weapon platforms, was drawn up on the approach facing the gate. Every single rifle, every single main gun, cannon and launcher, was aimed at the skitarii and the forge.
An officer – a major – stepped forwards, squarely aiming a pistol at the forge skitarii. He wore a glinting beak helmet with a huge crinière of white feathers, a crimson coat and a silver cuirass.
Orestes Pride IG regiment and its force composition.


Page 534-535
Trask was about to say something else when he died. A hard round entered his skull from the back and destroyed it, showering Varco in gore. The slug bounced off the back of Trask’s teeth and hit Varco in the left cheek with decayed force, knocking him over into the mud.
...
Whooping, the skitarii tried to impale Varco with the cluster of rusted bayonet blades fixed to the snout of its limbgun.
A las shot hit it just behind the left ear and blew its cranium out like a glass bulb. Left with only a face, like the facade of a demolished building, the skitarii frowned and keeled over.
Her las-lock reloaded and re-aimed, Kell Ashlag ran up.
Skitarii limbgun hard round blows out human skull, suggesting full power (or perhaps heavy autogun or stubber grade) round.
Likeiwse las-lock bolt blows apart most of skitarii skull, which is (as mentioned before) probably tougher, bigger, and more heavily armored than normal human. probably double digit kj at least.



PAge 538-539
The first las round hit him in the right shoulder and knocked him down. Other rounds struck the mire around them and kicked up spatters of steaming mud.
...
Varco’s right arm was useless and his shoulder was a shattered mess.
Lasbolt shatters a shoulder. Doesnt seem to have done severe burning, but its not bleeding either (at least not external bleeding.) Hard to calc tho. Assuming a 10x10 cm area of 2nd or 3rd degree burns.. we're talking 3-5 kj per 'side'.


Page 539-540
Heavy cannon fire ripped into the skitarii lines. A big gun, firing on full auto, chewed across their charging ranks. Dark, bestial, modified bodies exploded, or were dismembered, or simply fell.
..
The Centaur was lurching and churning across the mire towards them. Koder was at the controls. The pintle-mounted stubber they had liberated from the PDF listening post was streaming tracer rounds into the hellish night. Somehow Koder was driving and manning the gun.
Effect of Centaur PDF pintle mounted heavy stubber vs Skitarii. Pretty nasty although how many shots it takes (And the calibre/type of ammo) isnt known.

Oh and the Centaur seems to have made several days worth of travel without running out of feul from the PDF outpost by this time. Assuming an off road speed of 25-35 kph (roughly 1/3 to 1/2 the top offroad speed as per Imperial armour) and running 12 hours a day (24-36 hours total) we get between 600 and 1,260 km covered possibly, and that on a half tank of gas. At 55-110 litres for said half tank, we're looking at roughly 5.5 to 23 km per litre, estimated. an M1 Abrams by contrast has a mere .20 km per litre A T-90 carries 1600 L and gets a range of 500-700 km depending on engine which is .3-.44 km per litre. Centaur multifuel, even if I'm off by an order of magnitude, is no worse than modern vehicles, and quite possibly significantly better efficiency wise. Which meshes with the fuel efficiency implied in defixio and the Inferno magazine entry on the demolisher.



Page 541
The Centaur thrashed towards the base of the tower. Skitarii weapons fire pelted it. Many of the rounds punctured the tractor’s bodywork and skin-armour.
Skitarii weapons fire can penetrate PDF centaur's armor.


PAge 555
... the firestorms in the hive ran unchecked. Entire hab blocks and sinks blazed, pushing rank black smoke into the sky. Richelon District, a massive sub-spire buttressed out from the northern waist of the hive, was so undermined by raging backdraft that it slid away like a launching ocean liner into the outer hive belt.
Virtually nothing in the old hive had survived intact. The engines of Tempestus and Invicta picked their way through acres of smouldering rubble, through the ruins of foundered spires, across seas of broken glass and screes of shattered stone, past burning sinks and flaming habs, and down demolished avenues that had, in ancient times, been lined with jubilant and loyal masses.
Argentum was dead. The massed engine assault had slain it. Inner squares and streets were littered with enemy dead, charred beyond recognition. Every few blocks, the remains of an enemy engine lay twisted and blackened, threading sooty vapour into the sky.
Titan legion battle between Invicta (and the rest of Tempestus) and the Chaos forces have effectively destroyed a hive city during the engagement (matter of hours, but less than days) Hard to calc beyond that, but its damn impressive considering hives are usually much more than just 'cities'


Page 575
Seriously outgunned, Bohrman kept his distance and maintained mobility. He began a harrying action, bombarding the enemy host from distances of up to fifteen kilometres.
Titans engage other titans at a range of 15 km.


Page 576
Lau’s skitarii division moved overland at its most aggressive deployment rate. Within three hours, the first cataphractii units were setting up on the north-western border of the Jeromihah Sub, and beginning to shell. The infantry and the weaponised servitor detachments deployed along a six kilometre-wide front ahead of the cataphractii positions. The orbital scans had painted a considerable skitarii ground force moving alongside the engine host.
...
The enemy host, like a mobile forest of dirty steel and ceramite, began to broaden its spacing and extended into a wide, line formation. As the host came within five kilometres of the Jeromihah border, accurate scans put its number at sixty-two, despite the multiple kills made during Bohrman’s valiant action.
..
The cataphractii began saturation shelling. Immense lines of explosive destruction rippled through the Archenemy formations. Wailing shells threw tonnes of soil litter into the air as they struck. The line of contact flickered crazily with pulse and beam emissions.
The enemy host began to fire as it advanced. The horrific power of engine-class weapons mauled Lau’s forces..
Implied range of Cataphractii weapons (self propelled gusn, tanks, direct fire energy weapons, etc.) we're talking at least 5 km, and depending on effective range (a 6 km wide front) it could be up to 11 km. Assuming forces on the edge can fire on troops in the middle you could get upwards of 6 km. Enemy titans, Servitors, and shit also engage at that range with their heavy weapons.
This probably means shit like battle cannon, possibly heavier autocannon, las and plasma cannons, and missiles/artillery (probably direct fire) mortars and the like.


Pgae 577
Gearhart was still twenty kilometres away. Moving at full stride to catch up with his loyal skitarii forces, Gearhart began distance firing at the main mass of the enemy host, and the engines moving in formation with Invictus Antagonistes lit off in support of his bombardment.
Gearhart engages the enemy forces at 20 kilometres.


Page 577
None of the unmodified human witnesses to the battle ever forgot the spectacle. Etta Severin observed the engine war from Crusius’s crawler. The executor had brought his command vehicle and supporting elements to within three kilometres of the Imperial line, to allow his heaviest ranged weapons to contribute what they could to the bombardment. Etta flinched every time the crawler’s gun towers howled or the Hydra and quick-gun platforms slaved to the crawler fired, despite the fact that the external shutters of the observation bridge were sealed and the voids lit.
Given the aforementioned 5 km range before, this might imply the crawlers heavy guns (including, it seems, the hydras) range out to about 3-8 km, depending on when they fired (5 km from the earlier statement abuot the Cataphractii bobmardment, plus 3 km further back.)


Page 577
Crusius had supplied Etta and Gotch with visors so they could access a Manifold view of the battle.
Manifold-accessible visors, presumably for unaugmented guests.


Page 579
[quoe]"That’s why only the very best make it through selection to active engine work. That’s why we value our princeps and senior moderati so highly."
..
"Because, even with modified enhancement, barely one in ten million possesses enough natural ability to make the grade."[/quote]
one in ten million ever make it to moderati/Princeps level, which tells you how rare they must be (comparatively speaking they seem rarer than psykers and Space Marine candidates, although this may be impacted by the potential recuriting pool) Assuming thousands of titan legions and betwen 50-100 titans per legion we're talking 100-200 thousand princeps/moderati possible, which would imply MEchanicus-only world populations are easily in the trillions. Of course this might not be quite so accurate if they can recruit beyond just their own domains.


Page 580
" An entire legio ranged against a rival engine force in open battlefield conditions? Actions on this scale are the stuff of legend. In the last few centuries, Invicta has seldom engaged its full strength at a single location. Most executions call for individual actions across a broad theatre, perhaps half a dozen engines walking in concert at most. Such is the military advantage of engines. A few are usually enough. "
Large scale engine battles like this novel are relatively rare, because they are supposedly only dispatched in small numbers across multiple engagement zones. This might be reflective mainly of the Sabbat Worlds Crusade as a whole, but its perhaps indicative of how rare large scale Titan battles actually can be.


PAge 585
"Hey! Biometric! Show me your biometric! Citizen, that’s an order!"
Orestes civilians are tracked/identified by biometrics, which the Magistratum agents will (such as in this case) demand to see. Sort of a futrisitic drivers license/ID :P


Page 597
"You should also know that a Mechanicus fleet is en route from Holy Mars. It expects to arrive within three months. The magi will perform a complete purge and data audit of Orestes Forge to ensure that no… no heresies remain"
..
"I should tell you that an Imperial Navy flotilla is also en route to Orestes at my invitation to ensure that the situation is contained."
The sabbat worlds is purportedly on the 'rimward' edge of PAcificus, which means its the western edge of the Imperium. Oddly the Sabbat Worlds CRusade book lists the SAbbat Worlds on the border between Tempestus and Ultima, about 15 thousand LY from TErra or so (Give or take a few thousand LY, which seems far less than the actual location of Tempestus. Either way we can figur between 15-20 thousnad LY and maybe 30-40 thousand at most, assuming a straight line path. In 3 months that works out to betwen 60-80 thosuand c at least for one value, and 120-160 thousand c in the other.
Furthermore its implied less than a week passes since the battle and the sending of the message to Terra by invicta (the engine battles and the conclusion of the conflict did not seem to require the 8 day long prolonged conflict attributed earlier to Titan endurance) so call it days or hours probably, no more than weeks. That places the transit time of the message (from Orestes to Mars and back) in the hundreds of thousands to millions of c at a bare minimum and (more likely) millions to tens of millions of c at least.


We dont know where the navy flotilla is coming from, but probably from within the sector.
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