Some Serious Star Trek, Star Wars, and 40k Silliness

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Some Serious Star Trek, Star Wars, and 40k Silliness

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I'm under the impression that it's okay to link to other boards here (as opposed to spacebattles.com which frowns on that sort of thing), so I hope the mods and everyone else here won't mind.

Anyway, I stumbled onto this thread recently and I thought I'd share it:

http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/1973-s ... e-battles/

Basically there're a handful of Star Trek fans there who claim that the Federation can curbstomp both the Galactic Empire and the Imperium of Mankind, and I was just wondering what folks around here thought about their arguments. Thanks.
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Who cares? Wankers will be wankers.
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Yeah. The direct versus-debate battles aren't worth fighting over and over in the spirit of "someone is wrong on the Internet!"

Any fictional setting that has an episodic, serial format and has lots of content produced by different authors is going to end up showing the same hardware at very different power levels. Different authors will show the same guns having very different effects, show ships as being able to blow up planets today and barely able to dent them tomorrow, show a given body of troops as tactical geniuses in one book and too dumb to live in the next, or show the setting's economy as super-productive in one episode and incredibly slow and anemic in the next.

That makes it almost impossible to resolve a versus debate to the satisfaction of a partisan, because they can always pick and choose the high-end examples (across the galaxy in five minutes) and ignore the low-end examples (across the galaxy in five weeks). They may have reasons to ignore it, or think they do, but from a pragmatic standpoint it really doesn't matter.

In general you're going to get a lot of "who cares?" out of this. People on this forum might have cared if you'd asked the question five or ten years ago, I gather, but by now the whole thing has just gotten tiresome, and there's always a new generation of partisan fans to keep fighting it.
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They are probably wrong. I cite the following example: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Ess ... nutes.html

It's from a little known site called StarDestroyer.net and it basically shows how speed, weapons and shielding are all significantly superior in the SW universe to the ST universe. :wink:

As for 40k versus Star Wars, apparently all it takes to stop a Jem'hadar army would be a heavy bolter (as per siege of AR-55) so that doesn't make the Federation's chances look too bright.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Yeah. The direct versus-debate battles aren't worth fighting over and over in the spirit of "someone is wrong on the Internet!"
Hang on.....you're telling me there's other reasons for versus debates???
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To be fair, as a conversation to have once they can be fun. Or if you're trying to compare something like "which is the better heroic smuggler, Han Solo or Malcolm Reynolds," where it's actually about characters and emotions and things, instead of being about spherical masses of iron.
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When versus debates fuck the minds of young sci-fi fans and they go nuts about the useless gigatons and megajoules of shit and how one shit has more gigas and megas than the other shits and how those other motherfuckers are wrong because their shit is weaker and softer and limper, and these people forget how fiction actually works - namely not because of these computated bullshit but because of other things that aren't actually useless - because they're too busy wrapping their cocks with gigantic polyurethane foam sheaths sculpted in the likeness of their favorite ugly shitpiece fatso-class dullcruiser borevette lamefrigate with craptronium-ingrained heatsink radiator hulled spaceships and running around slapping other people's foam-wrapped dicks while wading in a puke-stained puddle of corn syrup with little bits of half-digested cheetos floating around it...

...then you're in a world of shit.
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