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For that matter, why doesn't the "living tissue" encasing T-800 Terminators show bruising? It does show some minor bleeding when cut/abraded, so why doesn't it bruise.
In a lot of fanfic and such; the authors assume that T-800s can run in "infiltration mode" settings which limits a whole bunch of things (maximum punch force, maximum joint rotation, etc) to avoid damaging tissue during long term missions to prevent the disguise from being blown.
Once the "infiltration unit" is revealed as non-human, though, it no longer matters if it mass-murders the witnesses. In fact, it might even lean towards mass-murdering witnesses. Then, when it is away from the situation it reverts to stealth mode - which we even saw Rev-9 do, once he was outside the facility and meeting the newly arriving Texas law enforcement where he's once again posing as an ICE agent.
That's the thing -- mass murder then stealth mode works in the future war, where mission times are short -- i.e. you infiltrate a human bunker, kill everyone inside, then change identity and greet an incoming human patrol as you leave, having booby trapped everything to explode when they enter the bunker. Also, communications between resistance groups may or may not be happening -- it's also not likely that they'll be able to fax an image of your disguise to other bunkers.
But in the past, where mission times are open ended; plus a functioning government calling the shots; such methods don't work as well. Presumably facebook-net, being built around social network scanning to find TERRA-ISTS would be more tuned to social dynamics than Skynet. Plus, the aforementioned "avoid messing timeline up more than necessary" bit.
But action block-busters heavy on CGI and over-the-top battles get made because there's a shit-ton of people who, apparently, want exactly that.
Chinese film-goers abandoned Dark Fate (as well as Gemini Man); so no chance of it recouping losses at all. Meanwhile, Joker made as much profit as Infinity War.
I'd also like to take a moment to point out a key moment that had me rolling my eyes -- the air battle/crash sequence.
For those of you following us, basically, the Rev-9 steals a USAF KC-10 Extender, killing everyone on board; then runs over a pair of what appears to be F-35s causing them to explode in mid air, with little damage seen to the KC-10; before jumping out of the cockpit towards the C-5, moments before the two planes collide in mid-air.
The C-5 eventually breaks up, but not for about 3-4 minutes of CGI action sequence inside the cargo bay, as our heroes battle Rev9 while the C-5 goes down in flames, before jettisoning a parachute rigged humvee with them in it.
There's a lot to unpack in that, from:
A.) Theft of a strategic heavy refuelling asset from a USAF base; destruction of two stealth fighters pursuing a stolen strategic heavy airlifter, and once they find the bodies of the crew in the crash site as well as the black box on the KC-10; things will get very spooky.
B.) There's 'turn your brain off a bit' and then there's "turn it off so much that you're functionally retarded". I'm sure, as a Subject Matter Expert (SME) on aviation, you know precisely how long it takes for even a heavy cargo aircraft to distengrate following a mid-air collision with another aircraft of the same general weight class.
In the Terminator franchise as a whole it's fairly well established that you can have "time orphans" - the future a character comes from can be eliminated without eliminating that character in the past. If you kill your own grandfather you don't vanish, never having existed in the Terminatorverse. You remain, in the past, standing over grandpa's dead body. Timelines don't "heal". So if you kill your creator you still exist, even if the future you come from no longer exists.
What's Skynet/Legion's goal? To ensure the preservation of it's own existence in the future. Leaving behind a "time orphan" of a Rev9 unit doesn't check off that goalbox.
Yeah, I know that. I'm questioning your premise that the ICE mooks we seen in this movie would be carrying cutting-edge weaponry.
We can see two types of CBP mooks:
Those wearing basic bulletproof vests like the Rev9's disguise is wearing, and tactical teams with more comprehensive armor. Tac Teams would be the ones with the carbines.
Right now, Dark Fate is so new, the internet firearms database hasn't updated it's entry beyond what's seen in the trailer(s); but when it moves to home video, we'll know more.
Now in THAT case small arms having super-ammo does make sense. You've just pointed out how arms change over time, so why are you assuming that future side arms aren't optimized (as mush as feasible) to take out Terminators?
Well, there are physical limits to how fast you can push bullets with small arms technologies, etc.
Skynet in 2029 has 40 watt Phased Plasma Rifles, while Legion in 2042 still uses bullets.
So? Bullets are quite effective. I've seen arguments that metal-slingers make more sense than energy weapons in general, but don't really feel like following that argument in detail in this post.
I'm just pointing out that Skynet is more advanced than Legion -- it's nothing that has revelance to our arguments -- it's just really amusing that Skynet in 2029 can equip it's cyborg legions with phased plasma rifles in the 40-watt range, while Legion in 2042 has to use bullets.
*long stuff on general Spookiness trimmed*
This film takes place in the T1/T2 timeline and I just remembered a key bit from T2:
Listen, Mr. Dyson, I know I haven't been here that long, but I was wondering if you could tell me... I mean, if you know...
Well... where it came from.
I asked them that question once. Know what they told me? Don't ask.
So in this universe:
*) Most of the 1984 Terminator's remains were recovered from the hydraulic press.
*) A significant portion of insanity occured "on video" at Cyberdyne in 1991/1992 and in front of hundreds of cops as witnesses.
They'd also have Reese's videotaped interview from 1984, plus whatever interviews that Sarah gave at Pescadero (we saw one such interview on screen in T2).
Do YOU have a number for The Spooks? Because I sure as hell don't. I could be contacted by aliens in the next five minutes and I wouldn't have a fucking clue who to call. How about you?
After a few minutes of searching on the internet; I'd be calling the CDC Rabies Duty Officer at 404-639-1050.
Then I'd call the Battalion Duty NCO for the USMC Cryptological Support Battalion at Fort Meade at (301) 677-6990.
I may not have the top spook's number(s), but the guy(s) at CDC and Fort Meade would.
It may take some time to get my information up the chain of command. It would go faster if there was some abnormal incident with widespread regional attention going on at the time; like the aliens crashed after causing a sonic boom that blew out every window for 50 miles.
Speaking as someone with some experience in aviation, including reporting problems - this takes time. There is not a direct hotline to Spook Central. You report a crash to 911, or the FAA, and it gets passed along the lines of communication. Someone goes out to investigate the crash which takes time. NO response is instantaneous, or even especially quick.
Except that this wasn't a crash by an unconnected aircraft, but one with a corporately owned CBP heavy drone. When your organisation (CBP) "owns" the drone, things move faster.
Yeah, they go out and find four dead guys but it's not like Rev-9 left a note stapled to their foreheads saying "Bwa-ha-ha! I'm a killer robot from the future here to slaughter you all, bwa-ha-HA!" It's going to take time for someone to figure out this shit is weird.
Going back to 'spookiness', I'd like to remind you that it's 2019.
The moment someone enters CONNOR, SARAH and her biometric data (fingerprints or eyescans) into the CBP database and hits SUBMIT; alarm bells are going to start ringing at whatever spook group got assigned the "Sarah Connor file" about 30 seconds later.
About 10 minutes later, the duty officer for the Spook Group is dialing the call tree for whatever alphabet agency (ATF, FBI, DEA, etc) is closest to the CBP Detainee Facility and telling them to send a full tactical team to pick up Sarah Connor and transport her immediately to Fort Whatevername as a very high priority individual.
At the same time, the duty officer's assistant is dialing the CBP facility to notify them to prepare for transport of Sarah Connor, and to get more information on the circumstances of her arrest.
"Connor? We lost a bunch of guys arresting her."
"Yeah, one of our drones crashed right there. We checked the drone control post, found all of the guys inside dead."
"Fuck if I know, let me give you the phone for their Commanding Officer."
*brring* <pleasantries exchanged>
"Yeah, all four were apparently killed at the same time; it's like someone drove a railroad spike into their heads."
Assistant Duty Officer puts down phone and looks at Duty Officer. "Hey Bob; we've got a Chromejob."
"Fuck, I'll start calling in the tactical groups from Bragg and Pope."