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Re: Jim Butcher has finally finished Peace Talks (Dresden Files). Release date coming soon.

Post by Ralin » 2020-03-28 01:42pm

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Also White Court tend to leave their victims alive far more often then Reds and Black. Sure the corpse stink of Blacks and the vampire bat monster thing of Reds is off putting but at the end of the day a White Court victim tends to still be functional the day after unless your someone like Madeline Raith.
The Reds at least were shown/stated to have a culture that emphasized controlling one's blood thirst and often recognized the benefits to not killing most of their victims. Not seeing any evidence that they slipped up and killed someone (or just decided they didn't care) more often than the White Court.

As opposed to Black Court vampires that just don't give a fuck.
Are you counting Thomas hairdressing work as daily rape?
It was a very precarious existence even before the skinwalker ripped it apart. And still creepy and more than a little harmful even if it was a genuine attempt to minimize that.
Or Felicia Raith who by all accounts is just a club girl?
I forget who exactly that was, but it's established that past a certain point even the most willing White Court victim loses the ability to decide they don't want to go along with the feeding/sex. In a sense they -can't- have consensual sex.

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Post by Mr Bean » 2020-03-28 03:06pm

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The Reds at least were shown/stated to have a culture that emphasized controlling one's blood thirst and often recognized the benefits to not killing most of their victims. Not seeing any evidence that they slipped up and killed someone (or just decided they didn't care) more often than the White Court.
The Red Court and the entirety of South America where the Red's hold sway, the stories we hear from Susan Rodriguez.
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It was a very precarious existence even before the skinwalker ripped it apart. And still creepy and more than a little harmful even if it was a genuine attempt to minimize that.
Or Felicia Raith who by all accounts is just a club girl?
I forget who exactly that was, but it's established that past a certain point even the most willing White Court victim loses the ability to decide they don't want to go along with the feeding/sex. In a sense they -can't- have consensual sex.
Fine on Thomas but to remind you Felicia is the Raith we met acting as the Raith contact to the secondary squad handling things while Dresden is dead in Ghost Stories. From all accounts Felicia is a literal party girl running around clubs having a good time and feed from multiple people if you take my hint. As for they can't have consensual sex I believe the line was in essence that being fed on by a member of the White Court was addictive.

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Post by Ralin » 2020-03-29 12:32am

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The Red Court and the entirety of South America where the Red's hold sway, the stories we hear from Susan Rodriguez.
We're told that the Reds in South America spread their feedings out to avoid killing their subjects. Most of what I remember Susan saying involves them being cruel and fostering wars.
As for they can't have consensual sex I believe the line was in essence that being fed on by a member of the White Court was addictive.
Lara tells us that past a certain point the person being fed on is a shrieking animal barely of forming a coherent thought, much less deciding to stop. Our real-life concepts of consent aren't designed to handle this sort of thing, but...yeah.

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Post by Ralin » 2020-06-24 05:51am

https://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresd ... -chapter-4

The fourth teaser chapter is up, and holy shit Butcher is not pulling his punches with this one

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Post by Majin Gojira » 2020-06-24 08:23pm

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https://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresd ... -chapter-4

The fourth teaser chapter is up, and holy shit Butcher is not pulling his punches with this one
It only took until reading the chapter before this one that Ebenezer doesn't know what Harry does about Thomas.

God, I am dense...
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Post by LadyTevar » 2020-06-26 02:51pm

Majin Gojira wrote:
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Ralin wrote:
2020-06-24 05:51am
https://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresd ... -chapter-4

The fourth teaser chapter is up, and holy shit Butcher is not pulling his punches with this one
It only took until reading the chapter before this one that Ebenezer doesn't know what Harry does about Thomas.

God, I am dense...
You're not the only one. I also never put the clues together.
But think of what will happen when he DOES find out! :twisted: And, finds out there's another great-grandchild on the way!

Otherwise -- Dresden was right. Ebenezer's hands-off policy bit him on the ass, and they'd not be where they were now.
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Post by Ralin » 2020-06-27 06:38am

I could have sworn I'd seen a quote from Butcher saying that McCoy knew about Thomas.
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Otherwise -- Dresden was right. Ebenezer's hands-off policy bit him on the ass, and they'd not be where they were now.
Really? I think the way the confrontation was written neither of them was clearly right or wrong. Hell, even Etri had a good point (ie, shut the fuck up, you're scaring the kids).

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-06-28 02:25am

Ebineezer is completely right about Harry being a danger to the people around him, and about Harry's tending to let his emotions get in the way of his reason.

And he still absolutely deserved what Harry said to him there.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-06-30 03:44pm

Well, preordered my copies of Peace Talks and Battle Ground (to be released in September). Normally I'd just get a new Dresden book from the library, but I can't count on (and wouldn't want to risk) doing that thanks to covid so... take my money Jim. At least I'll get an employee discount on them (there are perks to working in a bookstore).
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Post by Mr Bean » 2020-06-30 04:53pm

OAN I read all of these in one go, very interesting pre-ordered
Also Here's Chapter 5 now with Murphy

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-06-30 05:25pm

Yeah, that exchange between Harry and McCoy pretty much sold me on preordering. Now to read the Murphy chapter.
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Post by Ralin » 2020-07-02 06:55am

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Rudolph is really playing with fire here. Dresden is at the stage in his career where he could and possibly would react violently. And Murphy might not stop him.

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Post by LadyTevar » 2020-07-02 02:31pm

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I'm thinking it's not Marcone holding Rudolph's leash, but one of the Fomori.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-07-02 02:40pm

Honestly, the most sensible thing, given his abrupt shift in character and allegiances after his first appearance, would be that he got nabbed by the Outsiders. It would be better than the old "IA are rats for breaking the Blue Wall" cliche, which is basically all his character is otherwise.
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Post by Ralin » 2020-07-02 05:17pm

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Honestly, the most sensible thing, given his abrupt shift in character and allegiances after his first appearance, would be that he got nabbed by the Outsiders. It would be better than the old "IA are rats for breaking the Blue Wall" cliche, which is basically all his character is otherwise.
Being venial and a tinpot dictator when given an ounce of power and authority doesn't contradict anything I remember about his early characterization. He doesn't seem like a candidate for Outsider influence. He doesn't have any real reason to have been on their radar and we know that Nemesis has to have some sort of limits on its ability to control people because otherwise they would just pod person their way through the supernatural community instead of targeting specific important individuals like we've seen it doing.

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Post by Iroscato » 2020-07-02 06:42pm

Cannot wait for Peace Talks to come out, I haven't been hyped for a book release since I read the story of another wizard named Harry when I was a wee lad. My girlfriend also just finished the audiobook of Storm Front (she was a massive Buffy fan and James Marsters was her first celeb crush which helped swing it :lol: ) and she loved it, looking forward to her working her way through the rest of the epic saga.
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Post by Ralin » 2020-07-07 09:59am

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It would be better than the old "IA are rats for breaking the Blue Wall" cliche, which is basically all his character is otherwise.
Also, Butcher is steering clear of painting Internal Affairs in a bad light. Harry really did help rob a bank. Murphy is bare minimum a known associate of his, and was badly injured under suspicious circumstances around the same time. The other IA detective is portrayed as being fair, competent and dedicated. Really the only thing making them look bad is association with Rudolph, and they can't help that anymore than Special Investigations could.

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Post by Mr Bean » 2020-07-14 01:39pm

Just started the audiobook as it was simul-launched with the book today.

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Post by Ralin » 2020-07-14 02:42pm

I'm about halfway through. It's good.

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-07-14 07:32pm

Won't be getting my copy until Saturday at soonest- I'm trying to avoid unnecessary trips out, so I'll pick it up next time I'm at work.

I'll be avoiding this thread and any spoilers until then.
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Post by Darth Yan » 2020-07-14 10:14pm

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A little annoyed we didn't actually see the peace talks before Eithniu and Corb fucked it all up. The cliffhanger was also annoying and I'm wondering why Ivy didn't react to Harry given how heartbroken she is when faced with his death. Still it did a good job setting up for the battle with Eithniu and I really think the Masquerade is going to collapse after this.

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Post by Ralin » 2020-07-15 05:29pm

Well, that was certainly a nice prologue. For the next book.

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Post by LadyTevar » 2020-07-16 10:18pm

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Well, that was certainly a nice prologue. For the next book.
My thoughts exactly. Also explains why it's coming out so soon -- Butcher couldn't fit all of it into just one book, so he had to break it up.
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Post by LadyTevar » 2020-07-16 10:56pm

He's left us a LOT of clues, tho....
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First, why are so many people surrounding Justine. I think there's a lot more going on with how emphatic Thomas was to say her name. I wondering if it's more than just a warning that there's a threat *TO* her. What if he's warning AGAINST her?

Second ... Holy Shit, when Butcher said the stakes got high he wasn't kidding. Eithne, daughter of Balar? Mother of Lugh (and two other sons who were said to be drowned in the sea). But, the Accord Allies are right -- she's got NO IDEA what humans are capable of now.
And interesting information about Mab as well. She knew Merlin, but was that before she was Lady Winter? Back when Grandmother Winter was Queen? How long ago did she take up the Mantle?
And that whole Six hundred Sixty Six years for a Starborn. Does that touch ALL who were born under that Conjunction of stars, or just those already Mage-born? The UN states 360,000 babies are born PER DAY across the entire world. Assuming the Conjunction moves over the Earth like the Moon's Umbra during an eclipse, that could be a swath 90miles wide. Since stars are further out than the moon, it could be less than ten miles. How many babies fell within that swath when Harry was born? 3? 60? 300?
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Post by LadyTevar » 2020-07-16 10:59pm

NOTICE! PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS FOR ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NOVEL FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS
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