A Jedi Master in Mortal Kombat

[Demiurgas]

Let's say that a Jedi Master is accidentally sent by Palpatine to EarthRealm and he or she joins the Good guys of Mortal Kombat. How important would they be to the Team? I've seen Night Wolf take on Sindel after she destroys the entire team effortlessly, surely a Jedi Master with supernatural abilities of the Force at their disposal, and light saber use would be able to save the entire team and take on Sindel by themselves. (Liu Kang, and Raiden, who weren't at the scene of the massacre, couldn't prevent it, due to not being there, of course.)

[Havok]

Someone is going to come in yelling PRECOG soon, but which Jedi Master? Yoda? Mace? Or Ki-Adi? Plo Koon? Makes a difference.

[Demiurgas]

Let's say, uh, Master Wannabe, just a name I made up. Let's say he's mid-range out of all Jedi Masters.Not as good as Yoda, say, but is better than the low tier Jedi Masters.

[Formless]

What the fuck kind of response is that? Debates like these aren't like in an RPG where you can just name the Challenge Rating of a Generic Jedi Master and say "how would he/she fare in the arenas of Mortal Kombat?" A nameless Jedi master is an undefined variable because-- get this-- different Jedi Masters have different levels of mastery over the Force. If you have a hard time understanding this, look no farther than Yoda. He has the most mastery over the Force of any Jedi we see onscreen, able to do things no other Jedi is seen doing like dissipating Force lightning with his bare hands. And yet despite that, he's a 900 year old goblin with stubby little legs that force him to use a highly acrobatic lightsaber style. Or consider the difference it makes if the Jedi chosen for this scenario is Lowbacca, Chewie's nephew from the post ROTJ EU. Not only is he a wookie, with all the physical advantages over humans that implies, but he was trained by Luke, with all the differences in doctrine between Luke's Jedi Order and Yoda's Jedi Order.

Again: it makes a difference which Jedi we're talking about here. If you don't clarify, this thread might as well end here.

[Demiurgas]

Obi Wan then.

[Lord Revan]

btw do we even know what MK side is capable of outside of gameplay (which is due to various reason an unrelible source at best).

[Demiurgas]

Sort of. We have some cut scenes to by. I can gather up a bunch of videos for viewing.

[TheFeniX]

btw do we even know what MK side is capable of outside of gameplay (which is due to various reason an unrelible source at best).

Like Striker's Sub-Machine gun burst taking ~5% of an opponent's life bar? Or Sub-Zero freezing someone doing no actual damage? At least in the Movie it insta-gibbed some poor bastard.

A jedi could do quite well either way. We've seen instances of Telekinesis in the game (which all characters could block), use of weapons, characters highly resistant to damage, among other things.

Jedi Pre-cog can be talked up, but we've seen numerous instances in SW where Jedi (even Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Mace Windu) were caught off-guard by opponents who couldn't morph into their mirror image, teleport, or throw people around with telekinesis.

[Lord Revan]

btw do we even know what MK side is capable of outside of gameplay (which is due to various reason an unrelible source at best).

Like Striker's Sub-Machine gun burst taking ~5% of an opponent's life bar? Or Sub-Zero freezing someone doing no actual damage? At least in the Movie it insta-gibbed some poor bastard.

A jedi could do quite well either way. We've seen instances of Telekinesis in the game (which all characters could block), use of weapons, characters highly resistant to damage, among other things.

Jedi Pre-cog can be talked up, but we've seen numerous instances in SW where Jedi (even Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Mace Windu) were caught off-guard by opponents who couldn't morph into their mirror image, teleport, or throw people around with telekinesis.

well gameplay will be balanced for the sake of what's "fun" for example strykers guns not being insta kill to characters that are suppose be more or less normal humans, like Stryker himself, Sonya Blade (her ring blast is technological in MK9), Jax (again the groundpound and energy blast attacks are technological).

[Solauren]

How well do any of them stand up to being hit by a being, swinging a lightsaber, with enough speed to block 24 attacks per Second?

(Source: Revenge of the Sith novelization. Obi-wan was blocking Grevious, and grevious was making 6 attacks per lightsaber per second on him).

Answer: Lightsaber can slice throught super dense metals. Human flesh or earth level materials are no match.

Obi-wan becomes the Champion of Mortal Kombat, goes back to Coruscant, and with the additional power, still loses to Palaptine.

[Demiurgas]

How well do any of them stand up to being hit by a being, swinging a lightsaber, with enough speed to block 24 attacks per Second?

(Source: Revenge of the Sith novelization. Obi-wan was blocking Grevious, and grevious was making 6 attacks per lightsaber per second on him).

Answer: Lightsaber can slice throught super dense metals. Human flesh or earth level materials are no match.

Obi-wan becomes the Champion of Mortal Kombat, goes back to Coruscant, and with the additional power, still loses to Palaptine.

Eh. Onaga could still be a threat, as could Shinnok, possibly Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn.
Onaga's UBER durable. Shinnok can create clones, and stuff, although I'm not sure about the others.

[Solauren]

Shang Tsung and Quan Chi are still human. They'll slice up nicely.

Onaga, Shinnok and Shao Kahan are not that durable. They've still been beaten up / incapacitated by mortals. Mortals far slower then a Jedi Master, let alone Obi-wan Kenobi.

[Demiurgas]

Eh. Shang Tsung can steal souls. So can Quan Chi. Onaga really is that durable if you've seen his cut scene. He was being stricken with two blasts of flame and Raiden's lightning bolt at the same time, and survived his suicide blast with a minor daze.

[TheFeniX]

Onaga, Shinnok and Shao Kahan are not that durable. They've still been beaten up / incapacitated by mortals. Mortals far slower then a Jedi Master, let alone Obi-wan Kenobi.

We are talking about the same Obi-Wan Kenobi who took a head-butt (and a few other licks) from the decidedly mortal (and slow) Jango Fett and was giving ground constantly to Grievous (who shows no real feats of speed in the movies)? Kenobi's track record in regard to durability and speed is spotty at best. Jedi always seem to be as tough and as fast as the plot demands. Even Yoda couldn't dodge/block the hilariously slow lightning Palpatine threw at him.

Not to say a lightsaber couldn't do the job, but victory isn't assured considering many of the characters in MK can deal damage at range or simply teleport.

[mr friendly guy]

Raiden can smash Motaro through a high way which effectively kills him (cut scenes). Shao Kahn survived Liu Kang punching through his chest (again cut scenes). Outworld has some creatures which are strong enough to uplift tanks, so presumably the MK characters are strong enough to fight those.

I suspect MK is like DC comics and to a lesser extent Marvel. The average humans in that fantasy world is just stronger than real world humans.

[Solauren]

Maybe to underscore the situation, we should swap in Starkiller then

[Darksider]

Maybe to underscore the situation, we should swap in Starkiller then

Does he get his soul caliber move set?

[Luke Skywalker]

Obi Wan then.

What; Obi Wan from RotS? The most talented Soresu practitioner in galactic history, who could deflect Greivious's 30-strikes-per-second barrage from four separate lightsabers at once?

Hardly your "generic" Jedi.

[mr friendly guy]

Does it actually look like Grievous was making 24-30 attacks per second in the film? I don't remember it looking like that, unless you count the rate he spins his lightsabers at several revolutions per second, and count each revolution as an "attack." Now people are going to say novelisation said so. But isn't the old visuals trump dialogue / novelisation rule employed? Otherwise novel interpretations like hur hur "the Death Star only has a fusion generator for its power source," as used by rabid trekkies have to be considered seriously if applying the same standards.

[TheFeniX]

Does it actually look like Grievous was making 24-30 attacks per second in the film?

No (mute unless you like Iron Maiden).

The whole scene is pretty inconsistent and Grievous makes a much better showing in the Clone Wars cartoon. Obi-Wan reacts in pain from kicking Grievous (whereas mortals in MK can punch and kick cyborgs with no issues) yet he shrugs off kicks and punches from Grievous (who can dent a starship hull with a punch) with little issue even after being thrown ~20 feet from the impact.

Grievous relies on intimidation (which he tried on Windu who just crushed his chest with the Force), guerrilla tactics, and speed to overwhelm Jedi. In a straight up fight (at least in the movies) he's not all that impressive with the exception of raw strength. He's definitely not all that fast and his lightsaber attacks tend to double-up or be more flash than effect.

[cadbrowser]

My understanding of the SW Universe is that it was in a "...galaxy far, far away..." wherein an aspect/attribute of that galaxy was the force. Whatever Jedi Master comes through to Earth Relm...which is in an entirely different galaxy...would not be able to use the force.

Unless, the force is "upgraded" to permeate the entire galaxy.

[Lord Revan]

My understanding of the SW Universe is that it was in a "...galaxy far, far away..." wherein an aspect/attribute of that galaxy was the force. Whatever Jedi Master comes through to Earth Relm...which is in an entirely different galaxy...would not be able to use the force.

Unless, the force is "upgraded" to permeate the entire galaxy.

it's generally assume that in vs. scenarios both sides powers work as they would work in their native 'verse to avoid unfairness.

after all it wouldn't make sense to use a Jedi master unless they had access to the force as without it they're even about the same as a regular human(or what ever species they are) if not worse.

[cadbrowser]

Ah, ok...well; it wasn't explicitly stated and I don't have a lot of experience with vs. scenarios to know that part. It just seemed like a minor glitch.

Hopefull I don't get browbashed for stating the painfully obvious!

[Lord Revan]

it's one of those things that isn't explicitly stated, since without it, it's just a statement of "x sucks cause it's not y" (maybe not as politely or clearly but essentially that's the case), it's also kind of a strawman as you're not arguing against the full powered 'verse of the francise x but rather a weakened version of it with all the strengths removed.

as for your mistake, we all make them from time to time, heaven knows I have and will do more in the future. What seperates the newbies from idiots is that newbies should learn not to make the same mistake twice, while idiots keep missing the target.

[Solauren]

The novelization of Revenge of the sith has several 'additions' over movie.

1 - Kenobi jumping around in the rafters, the entire group of Confederacy Battle droids opening fire on him at once. He dodges ever single blast, deflecting a load of them back at the droids, and then lands calmly in front of Grevious.
2 - Grevious was able to attack 6 times per second with each lightsaber. Kenobi was blocking every shot until Grevious got to that point, and the attacks threated to overwhelm Kenobi. At that point, Kenboi shifted his tactics ever so slightly, and started taking off Grevious's hands.
3 - During the lizard/bike chase, Kenobi actually makes a wise-ass remark at Grevious. He comments that Grevious's bike's rear lights are out, Grevious asks what he's talking about, and then the Dragon-Mount uses it's tail to smash up the bikes rear lights.
4 - During the fist fight in front of Grevious's fighter, when they go hand to hand, Kenobi is able to block all of Grevious's hand to hand attacks, including a few directly at him. Despite Grevious punching hard enough to dent the armor on his own Starfighter.
5 - It's mentioned that Grevious's body armor is the same grade as Starfighter armor, and can withstand up to Starfighter grade weapons. Kenobi blocks a shock from Grevious, BENDS GREVIOUS'S FOREARM, and then opens up the protective case around Grevious's organs. Proceed with the entire 'knocked to the edge, using blaster to kill Grevious', scene.

I'd say when deep in the Force, Kenobi is easily on the same level as anything we've seen in Mortal Kombat.

The only other Jedi/Force users we've seen that surpass him in that regard is Anakin Skywalker, and Galen 'Starkiller' Marek.