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 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-03-06 10:22pm 

I have to cry bullshit at this. He had a hologram in the Museum of him training his son, how could he have hid his family from the order? Much more likely is the straight up "Corellian Jedi do things their own way." Especially since his family actually was known for their oddness in abilities, and that it was hereditary.

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-03-07 10:25am 

I can dig up the parts from the book they discuss it in, it's one SW books I got in english so I won't even have to translate it back to english.

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-03-07 11:06am 

This is a stupid issue to argue over. BioWare is allowing same-sex coupling, i.e., "If you want to play a gay Jedi, go ahead, we're not going to stop you," NOT mandating it, i.e., "If you want to play a Jedi, you must play a gay one, or your account will be suspended."

Besides, this is a COMPUTER GAME. What about gamers who prefer to play characters of the opposite sex? If a man playing as a female Jedi, tries to couple with another female Jedi, does this make him a lesbian? What if the other female is played by another man? How can you tell the difference, if the gamer doesn't tell you?

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-03-08 10:30pm 

I believe (and I'm open to being corrected on this) that homosexulality is due to errors being made during brain development. Not that "errors" have to be a bad thing. Every point of difference between us and simple protein chains floating about in water is due to reproductive error at some point. Errors can be good, bad, or indifferent..
I could imagine the possibility of a very patronising and controlling government "fixing" these errors for the people's "own good". The Australian government's done some bloody terrible stuff, for people's "own good". I don't see the chaotic and very un-patronising Star Wars universe doing it, however (although I've never read any OR).

Cowl also seemed to make the mistake of thinking that all gays want to BE the other sex, when I don't believe that's the case. A gay man feels like a man.
Yes. I meant that.

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-03-09 03:31am 

We are pack animals, there doesn't have to be an error at all. If it increases the likelyhood of reproduction and survival of related genes then its selected for.
For instance if it (like some research suggest) is related to increased fertility in females, then it will be selected for. Or if it helps the pack to have members who do not focus on reproduction (like other research suggest) but can instead help the overall success of the pack, that is selected for through related offspring.
etc
Occams, why look for an error when we know its a competetive trait?

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-03-09 04:31pm 

I thought I remembered Alyrium Denryle saying things along the line of errors during brain development, so I did a quick search and found this.
Too long to quote AD's full post, so selected parts:

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finally

All of which lends some support to your argument, and pisses on mine, so I'll consider myself corrected.

This doesn't change what a patronising and controlling government might do, of course, it just takes away their last semblance of scientific justifiction.

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-03-31 08:16pm 

I read the quote from BioWare "There is no gay or lesbianism in Star Wars" as a very enlightened way of thinking that the people of the Star Wars Galaxy don't lable a couple of the same sex as anything. Not to mention there is a very high probability that there are species on the galactic stage that has more than two sexes.

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-03-31 08:29pm 

Why wouldn't they? Gay or lesbian couples are different from straight ones, or marriage groups of more than two. Just as there's a difference between a blue wall and a red one. The problem in the real world is people seeing something wrong in that.

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-04-01 06:49am 

Er... could you elaborate? There are some heterosexual couples that have no same-sex equivalent, but I think a childless heterosexual couple would have more in common with a childless same-sex couple than they do a heterosexual couple that has kids.

 Post subject: Re: Christians outraged by gay Jedi

Posted: 2012-04-06 12:25pm 

If I'm not mistaken, I would think the terms "gay" and "lesbian" had been removed from the lexicon by the time Star Wars universe comes rolling around. Meaning that there are just relationships between beings with who gives a flying flip if they are the same sex, let alone the same species.