Chalk up sucess of YV invasion to NR incompetence?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-07-10 07:56pm

Think about it, sure the NR cuts back on their militay expenses cause there a happy little peace loving hippy government but lets look back. After their victory at the Battle of Endor they fight the Ssi-ruuvi an outside alien force. Later (not sure where in the timeframe) they fight the Nagai, and the Tof (sp?) and a couple more aliens that came from outside their borders. you'd think after so many attempts on their galaxy from unknown aliens they might at least wanna increase ship production enough to protect there borders. Do they? Of course not so here comes the YV, storming through NR territory with no problem. Why? Chalk it up to NR leaders incompetence. Had they learned from th past they might have had a better chance to defeat the YV. I feel sorry for the poor saps, think of what those Imps woulda done to the YV, tsk tsk NR, tsk tsk.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-10 08:04pm

Wedge even said that if the people running the NR would have left the millitary alone then he would have been retired by now, or something like it.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-10 10:01pm

Don't be so hard on the NR. The military tried its best to stop the YV. And this particular mess is the fault of those anti-Jedi politicians like Pwoe. BTW, has anyone else noticed that the EU is rather harsh on the politicians?

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-10 11:37pm

Lando says in the NJO that the reason Leia asked for the IR's help was because the NR's military was keeping the different member worlds from attacking each other.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2002-07-11 09:14pm

The Ssi-Ruuvi weren't extragalactic, just deep in the Outer Rim.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-11 09:20pm

The problem with the NR was that they handed anything outside the Core and certain important Mid rim worlds to the Vong simply because they didnt want to move their assets away from protecting the core.

The vong walked in and didnt face a major battle for about a year or so.

The political system killed the NR - too many conflicting agendas and not enough care for the people.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-07-11 09:28pm

The problem comes with one name.....Borsk Fey'lya.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-11 09:33pm

Yeah and he did his best during the Thrawn Trilogy to see the NR burn - he puts himself first and foremost, that isnt the sort of person you want as leader.

Blasted Bothans , well they aint all bad I suppose.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-07-11 10:15pm

TheDarkling wrote:Yeah and he did his best during the Thrawn Trilogy to see the NR burn - he puts himself first and foremost, that isnt the sort of person you want as leader.

Blasted Bothans , well they aint all bad I suppose.

It's the politians in NR that are bad and in which the writers are conveying to us about our era of what they do.

It proves that those in a seat of power in the government may be appointed by the ppl but doesn't work for the ppl.. That our government is plague by the very same corrupt and greedy bastards which then may lead us to our downfall if they are not stopped..

Cyaround,
Jason
P.S.- Current political bastard.....Tom Daschle.

master_yoda · Post by **master_yoda** » 2002-07-11 10:20pm

If it the GE won the war between them & the NR,they would've been able to hold off the YV way easier.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-11 10:56pm

master_yoda: Yes I think the empire would have taken on the Vong alot easier however the people may cause trouble on the home front if they get crazy ideas of freedom.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-12 12:34am

Captain_Cyran wrote:The problem comes with one name.....Borsk Fey'lya.

Yeah, he had the mentality of: better first among the barbarians than second in Rome.

Nova Andromeda · Post by **Nova Andromeda** » 2002-07-12 01:31am

--I HATED Vector Prime (Star Wars: The New Jedi Order) by R. A. Salvatore.
--In a fictional universe any idiot can make up something that is more powerful than anything previously existing. That is exactly what that D&D hack writer did in my opinion. Not to mention killing off Chewy! I never read another book in the series and sure as hell none of his other books.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-12 01:36am

Agreed. I was wondering where they dug RAS up after reading the first few chapters.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-07-12 01:44am

I predicted it, I doubt anyone will agree though. As soon as I heard RAS was writing the Ep II novel, I said it would not be as good as the other four. It was pretty good, but it sure lacked.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-12 01:48am

I don't doubt you, but I never read the novelization.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2002-07-12 08:54am

I disagree with your estimation of Vector Prime.

I didn't get the sense that the Vong had any "better" technology than the Empire/Republic. In fact, I think Salvatore goes out of his way to make it look more or less equal. The Edge that the Vong had was surprise, the fact that they had agents and allies and intelligence services within the Republic, and had already worked out tactics and technology to use against the SW technology.

The Republic could have fought them off had there not been political saboteurs and such within the Republic. Even in the first novel, the Vong were halted for a time by a small task force (although granted, it involved the Jedi at Skywalker's behest).

Its too bad that Chewy died, but man, Salvatore's got cohones to kill of a main character like that. Previously, I think the biggest character that died in the EU was Crix freaking Madine, in Darksaber (crappy book).

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-12 02:22pm

Its too bad that Chewy died, but man, Salvatore's got cohones to kill of a main character like that.

Yeah, at leat his death was dramatic.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-12 02:25pm

Smiling Bandit wrote:IIts too bad that Chewy died, but man, Salvatore's got cohones to kill of a main character like that. Previously, I think the biggest character that died in the EU was Crix freaking Madine, in Darksaber (crappy book).

You don't really think that Salvatore came up with the idea of killing Chewie do you?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-12 02:27pm

Nova Andromeda wrote:--I HATED Vector Prime (Star Wars: The New Jedi Order) by R. A. Salvatore.
--In a fictional universe any idiot can make up something that is more powerful than anything previously existing. That is exactly what that D&D hack writer did in my opinion. Not to mention killing off Chewy! I never read another book in the series and sure as hell none of his other books.

More powerfull? Nah, thats just because the NR don't know what they are figtjing yet, or how to, but the Vong do.
They're not more advanced, infact their organic tech blows chunks, infact all organic tech blows chunks.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-07-12 02:33pm

And it's not just Chewy! Anakin! Anakin freaking Solo gets killed off! And that lousy goon Thracken gets put in charge of Corellia?!?!?!?

Where's my gun?!

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-12 02:49pm

IG-88E wrote:And it's not just Chewy! Anakin! Anakin freaking Solo gets killed off!

Yes well it is done as to not to suffer from the same effects that all the other books did, I mean, there was no real worry the main characters would survive they couldn't die, now with this they have shown all bets are off, makes for a much more realistic reading experience.

IG-88E wrote:And that lousy goon Thracken gets put in charge of Corellia?!?!?!?

Who?

IG-88E wrote:Where's my gun?!

Here, *bang*

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-07-12 02:59pm

Thracken, Han's cousin? Thracken Sal-Solo? He was in the Corellian Trilogy. In NJO, Anakin hesitated to use Centerpoint Station as a strategic weapon. Thracken grabbed the controls and ended up wiping out both a YV fleet and the Hapan fleet!

As to the gun, thanks...I needed that. *Pulls bullet out of head, reloads it. Now then, to business!

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-12 03:07pm

HMMMM hard headed.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-07-12 03:11pm

Yeah, check this out!

Walks over to starship bulkhead, bangs head three or four times, comes back leaving huge dent.

Yah,...sheee?...Harddd headds...heehee...im goingg tttoo nap now....rights here...*falls unconcious*

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Chalk up sucess of YV invasion to NR incompetence?

Chalk up sucess of YV invasion to NR incompetence?

Nova's opinion of Vector Prime

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