World of Tanks

[Nephtys]

Get the AMX12 before the patch that puts in Tier 10 mediums. They're bumping it and every other tank up one tier, to fit in a new Tier 5.

[xthetenth]

Why do I always end up on the "Assault" side of an "Assault/Defend" map ~_~

Hey, that can be awesome as hell. I got an awesome battle on Malinovka assault (the worst assault game for balance). Tier nine match in my Chaffee. As far as I can tell, moving doesn't break bush camo in a light tank. First, I got into the far end of the south forest, killed their T-50-2, and went to ground. Then I crept up, lit a pair of E-75s and a JT and laughed as they got invisitanked. I then kept moving up and getting cheap shots on the guys camping church's sides and lighting stuff on hill (but not doing both at the same time, that's stupid). Walked out with 1500 xp and a solid win on a map where I never see assault win.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Wait what? The AMX 12t is a T5 tank...how would that get bumped up to T10? Shouldn't it move to T6?

[Nephtys]

Wait what? The AMX 12t is a T5 tank...how would that get bumped up to T10? Shouldn't it move to T6?

It's being moved to Tier 6. A new tier 5 is being put in it's place, and all existing french light/meds are going up one level in that tree.

It's to give every faction a Tier X, and France will have a buffed BatChat as it's Tier X.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Oh...I misread your post. Sorry about that...it makes more sense now.

[xthetenth]

Get through the AMX 12t before the patch if you can. It's kinda megabad, and I wouldn't want to try it at tier 6.

[Nephtys]

It's not megabad anymore. Back when it came out, it had TWO degrees of gun depression. That's horrid. Now it actually has somewhat usable levels that it can fire on flat ground.

[Hawkwings]

Wow, just had the most amazing match ever. Was on Karelia in my M6, and we were assaulting. So someone before the match says "we should all push one side" and I say north and click on the map a few times. And, wonder of wonders, a significant number of people go north! Next, I tell everyone to hold up at A9 and wait for the heavies to catch up. Sure enough, they did! And when the heavies caught up, I told them to push straight in, don't stop, and the mediums would clean up after. Well, that didn't work so well, but in fairness even with company battles people usually aren't coordinated enough to do that. Still, we managed to kill quite a few more of them than we lost, and we only lost after everyone got bogged down and picked off by the defenders.

It was a miracle! A pubbie group, working together!

[xthetenth]

Turns out I had replays on. I just had a really amusing game in my 50-2 that reminded me of someone asking how the tier fives were viable because of their weak guns and stuff. I light the arty at the spot, getting one killed, and then I go play with mediums and make them all look bad, killing two of them, one of them with a point blank shoot-ram for a kamikaze. For folks who're interested in driving a scout (mainly a -50 or a -50-2, really), there's some stuff like how I run along a ridgeline to minimize exposure that would probably help and would suck to explain in text. I threw in the prokhorovka assault I made a lot easier on my team by allowing them to invisitank enemies to death to show off how powerful passive scouting can be, and the T1 heavy top gun of ridiculousness because I can and to show off my favorite spot on the map.

http://www.filedropper.com/replays_1

[Hawkwings]

I play in medium companies a lot, and there's the "swarm tactic" involving 5 T-50s, 4 artillery, and 4 tier 6 tanks (usually M-18s and KV-1Ss) and it's ridiculously fun if you get a good group that listens. You also tend to win a lot.

Then there's this guy I platooned with, and we were both running T-50s. I watched him make the entire enemy team look like idiots on the way to getting 7 kills, finishing off by outdueling a Churchill.

Yep, T-50s are awesome.

[xthetenth]

The "complete" official tech trees have been updated.

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php ... ank-trees/

Highlights:

1. Second French Heavy tree ending in the AMX M4 (1949)
2. Second French Medium tree ending in the AMX-30
3. Second USSR TD tree, doesn't currently have a tier ten
4. T-60 through T-80 as another USSR light tree
5. Second German Medium line ending with the Leo 1
6. Second German TD line ending with the Waffentrager E-100
7. US has Christie tanks. That's pretty much it. They already have a second TD line and all that jazz, but I would like to see another medium line sometime.

Oh, and it bears repeating. Autoloader. Foch. 155. Thing's gonna be dirty. I may have to free xp one of the things. They also made the AMX 12t into a hub tank. Goddammit.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Hey, I'm in the middle of grinding the AMX 12t remember? Aside from that, the new tech trees look interesting. I do find it hilarious that the Germans have the Pz1 now...the Americans aren't the only one with a machine gun armed tank anymore!

I am happy they put the Leo where it is though...I like that tank and am grinding the PzIII right now. Granted getting to T10 is going to take forever, but I have something to really look forward to now.

[xthetenth]

My memory of the 12t is from when it had two degrees of depression. It's a funny phenomenon that the driver's depression rises to the occasion when the tank's is lacking.

[weemadando]

Epic round in my AMX38

Destroyed: BT-7, PzKpfwII
Damaged: T2 Medium, T2 Medium, BT-2, BT-2
Detected: T2 Medium, BT-2, BT-7, PzKpfwII, T2 Medium
Shots: 27, Hit: 18
Hits Received: 61
Destroyed by BT-2

Exp: 2144 (first victory bonus included)
Credits: 19,272

I anchored an entire flank for about 6 minutes, including time spent with both tracks blown off. Goddamn fantastic round.

[xthetenth]

Very nice. I've found the only things that can really scare pyramid head in its own tier are the T-46 and pretty big HE shells.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Ah...the AMX 38...I actually miss that tank. Much more fun than the 40, namely since it got good matches. One of these days I'm going back to it and seeing if I can do better than I used to.

Also, is the Lee still good? I'm asking because its the next tank in line on the American heavy tree, and I want to know if I should prepare for a painful grind.

[xthetenth]

Yes it is. I recently went through it again en route to that T1 heavy I've been driving, and I averaged over two kills a game and a 68% win rate. It's a weird tank though and your mileage may vary seriously. It's a strange hybrid of a tank destroyer and a medium tank. It has comparable armor to anything else in tier 4 except the AMX 40. It has a tank destroyer gun in terms of DPM, pen and aim time. It has a fixed mount but it doesn't have camo, instead it has a very fast hull turn rate, faster than any other tank in the game with a fixed mount. It's a really good second line medium and is perfectly viable up front if the driver is attentive and knows how to use cover well. That sponson mount can be great if you have cover to your left, since you only have to stick it out and can pull it back really quick. It's probably one of the best teachers of good situational awareness in the game, and if you pick that up you'll do really well in the Lee and be better at most everything else.

Which way are you going through the Lee? I like both the US heavy and medium trees although the T1 and M6 are a bit hard to pick up because their best use is only really similar to a few tanks from tier seven on up. I could probably offer some decent advice though. The Shermans are relatively simple.

[Skywalker_T-65]

I'm going through the heavy line. So my next one after the Lee should be the T1. I'm sticking with the German tree for mediums at the moment, a mix for the Russkies and French, and heavys for the Americans.

[Simon_Jester]

That sponson mount can be great if you have cover to your left, since you only have to stick it out and can pull it back really quick.

Damn straight. I once killed a T20 that way, although I can only assume he wasn't paying much attention...

It's probably one of the best teachers of good situational awareness in the game, and if you pick that up you'll do really well in the Lee and be better at most everything else.

I'm afraid I never did pick that one up.

[Mr Bean]

Got into another wonderful AMX-38 fight last night.

It was Prokhorovka and I made sure to fire my gun to ensure the enemy spotted me it was one of those great times when it was a Tier 2 Tier 3 match with only a single Tier 3 per sides, they had a BT7 I was the AMX-38. I just drove down the middle firing my gun into the air directly into their cap zone. I was detracted about eleven times but aside from the arty nothing could touch me. Nothing at all. I did not get hit sixty one times but I was pushing mid 40s and ended it will 12 damages but only 2 kills since we had a great T57 driver on our side who kept picking up and killing the tanks I shot first.

[xthetenth]

I'm going through the heavy line. So my next one after the Lee should be the T1. I'm sticking with the German tree for mediums at the moment, a mix for the Russkies and French, and heavys for the Americans.

Sounds pretty reasonable. The US heavies are a strong line and if you can drive the T1 and M6 well, there's nothing on the entire tree that's disappointing. They're a bit counterintuitive. The T1 starts off slow and it can bounce most things frontally, especially if you angle the hull well. Use your early games to get the tracks and first engine quickly. Once you've got those your tank will be a nice bit more maneuverable and able to hit its top speed with some frequency and without too terrible acceleration. The rest of the tier five heavies will look like the pigs they are in comparison.

Once you're at that point, give going where the mediums go a try. The tier five and six mediums can't bounce your shells worth a darn, while your front armor can bounce nearly all their shells. Their maneuverability shouldn't be enough to get around your front unless you're straight up brawling, so you should be able to beat them relatively easily. Then get the turret and gun to give you an even bigger advantage in HP and an advantage in damage output. Then get the top engine (sure the M6 will look tempting for just twice the xp, but the M6 is a lot more pleasant with that as you're trying to grind the 90mm and until then the T1 is an easier tank to make work well). The M6 is more of the same, just now with a gun that can penetrate and match the damage per shell of heavies all the way up to tier eight and a bit more armor.

Also, if you manage to find a good enough slope, you can go hull down and utterly ruin things like in that T1 replay I posted a bit back. The real key to the T1 and M6 is that when you fully upgrade the tracks and engine you have a tank that can accelerate as fast as a medium, drive fast enough to get to their spots, and the armor to make their lives miserable. Why waste that against heavies?

Also, if you want to platoon, I'd be happy to as long as I'm not doing clan wars. (if you see Nathan_Zachary on, that's usually me or can be me real quick as well, as Crimson Skies fans might be able to guess the main interest there was for WoWP, not WoT).

[Zinegata]

I finally learned how to play the M103 properly. My record is back to break even from being 10 losses below it.

It's really an oversized medium but with an absolutely fantastic gun, even without the gun upgrade yet (which I will soon get).

I had to revert to playing with a style similar to the old T1 or M6 (heavy reliance on sloping, don't try to bully, pump shells like crazy once you achieve a good shooting position). I've been used to playing the T29 / 34 / 32 side of the US heavy family for too long and had been relying on turret armor and face hug bullying, when the M103 should really be trying to avoid getting hit at all.

[xthetenth]

Yep, the M103 is an absolutely dirty sniping tank if it can find a good position. It's got weaknesses up close but they get a lot less pronounced at long range.

[Skywalker_T-65]

You know, you're right. The Lee's gun is a MONSTER in the lower tier matches. I almost one-shotted a Stuart...I've never done that before. I'm not used to being the big guy though...that is going to take some getting used to. All the other tanks I've used have been lights...

[Darth Wong]

Hey, I didn't realize so many people here were playing WoT. I have an IS3, a KV-4, and a T-44 (and some other stuff: a Panther, a Tiger, a T20, etc). But I share my account with my boys, so you never know who's actually playing on it.