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Turkey 'demands deletion' of German video mocking Erdoğan

Ankara summons German envoy to explain song lampooning Turkish president, according to reports


The Turkish government has reportedly ordered the deletion from the internet of a German satirical video that pokes fun at President Recep Tayipp Erdoğan and condemns his human rights record.

Germany’s ambassador to Turkey, Martin Erdmann, was summoned to the foreign ministry in Ankara last week, according to German media, and asked to justify the contents of the short film made by Extra 3, the popular satirical television programme.

“We demanded that the programme be deleted,” a Turkish diplomat told Agence France-Presse on condition of anonymity.

The complaints centre on a two-minute song, Erdowi, Erdowo, Erdoğan, which was broadcast by the TV channel NDR on 17 March. The lyrics mock the president for everything from his “showy palace with a thousand rooms, built without a permit in a conservation area” to his crackdown on press freedom, and for “jailing journalists for writing things he doesn’t like”.

It also criticises his attitude towards the Kurds, claiming he is “more inclined to bomb them than his brothers in faith from Isis”, and paints a picture of a Europe that is kowtowing to his demands.

Accompanying footage of Angela Merkel being received by Erdoğan at his palace, are the lines: “Be nice to him since he’s holding all the cards”, in reference to the way the German leader has embraced Turkey – despite misgivings about its human rights record – in order to secure its support over the refugee crisis.
Predictably, the satirists told him to fuck off:
Instead of bowing to demands for the video to be wiped, Extra 3 sought to build on the huge interest in the song, fuelled largely by reports of the diplomatic fallout it has caused, by publishing it on Twitter, this time with English subtitles.

On its Facebook page the programme also reposted older satirical videos about Erdoğan, including one from 2014 which claims the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, is his idol.

It also posted a cartoon depicting the Turkish leader holding a fire extinguisher in front of a laptop, stating: “Either you extinguish this video, or I’ll extinguish the internet”.
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The song in question, with english subtitles:



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On behalf of freedom loving (the real ones, not the ones who think "freedom" is a flag, slogan, bumper sticker, or a combination of the 3): Get fucked you Armenian Holocaust denying, Putin wannabe, piece of Eurasian trash. :finger:
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The reactions are starting now.
The German foreign ministry told him to fuck off too.
Extra3 has given Erdogan the honor of being the employee of the month.
Other's have called Erdogan a "beleidigte Leberwurs" (insulted pork liver sausage) with accompanying picture.
And this is my favorite so far.
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Hahaha, very nice. Too bad for the dumbass Erdogan who decided to pick on Germany - it was one of the few nations in Europe friendly to Turkey.
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I find it interesting a Turkish diplomat broke the news...
Either the diplomat had a boozy lunch, was trading stories or genuinely wanted to reduce the damage the leader of his state.
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Doesn't Erdogan know that NOTHING can truly be deleted from the internet?
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Broomstick wrote:Doesn't Erdogan know that NOTHING can truly be deleted from the internet?
Quite possibly the case. He's older (~60s?), from a country that hasn't exactly been on the leading edge of scientific progress, we don't know how much exposure he has to computers and the Internet.

That might not be giving him enough credit, of course...
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Broomstick wrote:Doesn't Erdogan know that NOTHING can truly be deleted from the internet?
It can't be deleted from the internet as such but the sites hosting the video can be pressured into deleting it (thus diminishing exposure) and punishing the user in some way (like say the equivalent to how youtube treats copyright strikes). And this is probably what he was aiming at.
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Man, South Park should troll Erdogan to do an episode on him
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Sultan Erdogan is about to learn about the "Streisand Effect" first hand; this is now trending world-wide news. What a dumbass.
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You all seem to be assuming he ever actually expected foreign action, as opposed to simply scoring extra domestic points in his support base and generally legitimizing his overall campaign to cement his power. Erdogan didn't get this far by being a dumbass. Its stock and trade of national leaders to demand impossible things anyway.
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Jokes on him then because the video has now been released with Turkish subtitles and is getting a lot of attention in Turkey.
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I don't think he was aiming for internal PR anyway. Putin doesn't ask to delete videos of him (like "Circus Putin") and still consolidates a lot of political power just fine.

No, Erdogan was just butthurt. Sometimes it is very simple.
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K. A. Pital wrote:I don't think he was aiming for internal PR anyway. Putin doesn't ask to delete videos of him (like "Circus Putin") and still consolidates a lot of political power just fine.
Putin, I would argue, is a higher caliber of schemy son-of-a-bitch than Erdogan. He has consolidated control of a larger, more powerful nation, for a longer period of time, in the fact of more backstabbing opposition and a more unstable political situation.

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin plays the same games Erdogan does, but does so more proficiently, and is therefore smart enough to avoid mistakes Erdogan would have made in the same position.
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Yeah, Putin did nothing against the even more vicious video they did about him awhile back. (Putin Kampfschlumpf).
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Thanas wrote:Yeah, Putin did nothing against the even more vicious video they did about him awhile back. (Putin Kampfschlumpf).
That's because reacting to something like that sends a signal of weakness and insecurity and amplifies the effects of the piece in question, whereas acknowledging it was done, going "So what?" and then ignoring it completely (or just ignoring it) undermines it. Putin came up through the ranks of the KGB, so he isn't exactly stupid and he knows how these things work.
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wautd wrote:Man, South Park should troll Erdogan to do an episode on him
Unless there's some Golden Mean bullshit they can reach at the end of the episode spent building a strawman where both are right and wrong, then nope.
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K. A. Pital wrote:I don't think he was aiming for internal PR anyway. Putin doesn't ask to delete videos of him (like "Circus Putin") and still consolidates a lot of political power just fine.
Putin, I would argue, is a higher caliber of schemy son-of-a-bitch than Erdogan. He has consolidated control of a larger, more powerful nation, for a longer period of time, in the fact of more backstabbing opposition and a more unstable political situation.

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin plays the same games Erdogan does, but does so more proficiently, and is therefore smart enough to avoid mistakes Erdogan would have made in the same position.
I think this is less telling about Erdogan than his environment. He likely reached a point where he surrounds himself with only sycophants and like-minded partisans. I doubt he gets any unfiltered information nowadays. And without any notable political opponents left in Turkey and no real foreign threat there is no direct penalty for this. At least for now. But usually that is the first sign of the decay of a regime.
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http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/i ... =0&sp=true
BERLIN (Reuters) - German prosecutors are investigating a comedian who recited an obscene poem about Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan in a satirical show on national television.

Gerd Deutschler, senior public prosecutor in the western city of Mainz, said at least 20 "private individuals" in Germany had filed a complaint against Jan Boehmermann, the iconoclastic host of the late-night "Neo Magazin Royale" on the public ZDF channel, and also against the broadcaster.

ZDF had already removed video of the poem from its website, saying it did not meet the standards expected of its satire shows.

Deutschler said Boehmermann was being investigated principally on suspicion of the crime of "offending foreign states' organs and representatives". He said the nationality of the complainants was not known.

Boehmermann, who has made a name for himself by pushing the boundaries of satire in a once-staid media landscape, made clear on the show that he was courting controversy.

Before reading his poem, Boehmermann referred to a satirical song broadcast on NDR television that had mocked Erdogan for his authoritarian treatment of journalists. That led Turkey to call in Germany's envoy to provide an explanation, although Germany rejected Turkish protests.

Speaking as if he were addressing Erdogan, Boehmermann explained that the NDR broadcast had fallen under the right to artistic freedom, press freedom and freedom of opinion.

He then offered to illustrate impermissible "abusive criticism", saying "You're not allowed to do this", and read the poem. Besides its crude sexual references, the piece accused Erdogan of repressing minorities and mistreating Kurds and Christians. It was shown with Turkish subtitles.

ZDF said it would provide the prosecutor with a copy of the video, as requested, but could not comment further on a live investigation.

The incident is awkward for German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has spearheaded EU efforts to secure Turkey's help in dealing with Europe's migrant crisis. In a telephone conversation with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, she said the poem had been "deliberately offensive".

The crime in question carries a maximum punishment of three years' imprisonment, but Deutschler said it was not yet clear if that would apply in this case.

(Reporting by Michelle Martin; Editing by Kevin Liffey)
There is a line between satire and outright defamation of character and the recording in question goes into outright defamation of character without having facts to back it.

Erdogan is not killing Kurds, they make up a large portion of his electorate and AKP could not have the 14 year streak they have had without the Kurdish Vote. Erdogan is however fighting the PKK Terrorist group whose members just so happen to be predominantly Kurdish and is hated by the majority of Kurds as its victims are largely Kurds themselves.

Till a few years ago, you could not say Armenian Holocaust in Turkey, then Erdogan got that law repealed and acknowledged the Genocide in Armenian which till his party got rid of the law would have been illegal to speak.

While Erdogan openly hates Gays, MHP and CHP both voted against an amendment written by Him and AKP to legally recognize their marriages and recognize sex changes as a basic human right which the State will pay for, the latter of which is only recognized in Iran of all places following a Fatwa by Imam Khomeni of all people. MHP and CHP are the secularists by the way who also blocked for years women who asked for the right to wear their choice of clothing from Parliament, Public Buildings, and Universities till AKP put a stop to it.

Also Daily Zaman was found to be a front for the Gulenist Terrorist Organization that tried to Coup the Government in 2013 and whose leader is currently under several FBI investigations for money laundering and other illegal activities.

Hurriyet on the other hand constantly criticizes Erdogan everyday and has not been shut down. They often Satire him, have for 14 years. Erdogan did nothing to them because they did not defame him. The fact CHP, MHP, and HDP (Who could not have even existed without Erdogan changing laws to allow them to run and serve in the peace process), is proof Erdogan is not a dictator. Erdogan is even rejecting calls from his party to ban HDP, stating only those found to have actually aided PKK by using their immunity and official cars to smuggle them weapons should be stripped of immunity and prosecuted. Erdogan also rejected the openly genocidal plan put forth by MHP to deal with the PKK by just giving 24 hour evacuation notices and then leveling the place.

Seriously actually get the damn facts before slamming Erdogan and mouthing off conspiracy theories. The man is the first democratically elected President of Turkey who before he changed the laws was chosen by the Parliament.
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Honorius wrote:There is a line between satire and outright defamation of character and the recording in question goes into outright defamation of character without having facts to back it.
It is not the same video as in OP, just to clear that up.
Erdogan is not killing Kurds, they make up a large portion of his electorate and AKP could not have the 14 year streak they have had without the Kurdish Vote. Erdogan is however fighting the PKK Terrorist group whose members just so happen to be predominantly Kurdish and is hated by the majority of Kurds as its victims are largely Kurds themselves.
Oh fuck off. Of course he is killing Kurds. Who shipped arms to ISIS and prevented Kurdish reinforcements from reaching Kobane?
Till a few years ago, you could not say Armenian Holocaust in Turkey, then Erdogan got that law repealed and acknowledged the Genocide in Armenian which till his party got rid of the law would have been illegal to speak.
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Uh-huh, he acknowledged it...by denying it happened. Are you comical Ali?

Any more bullshit propaganda? I guess "defaming" Erdogan know means secret trials are a-ok.
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Again, Honorius - would you please offer a concise summary of the present situation, instead of a string of miscapitalized Arabic and Turkish proper nouns? At the moment you sound like a propaganda piece.
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I demand Erdogan star in, direct, and produce a complete shot-for shot, line by line remake of the horrible movie 'Liar Liar'. And when I get that, and he writes a declaration admitting to and condemning the Armenia holocaust in his own blood. I may think about it.
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Broomstick wrote:Doesn't Erdogan know that NOTHING can truly be deleted from the internet?
It can't be deleted from the internet as such but the sites hosting the video can be pressured into deleting it (thus diminishing exposure) and punishing the user in some way (like say the equivalent to how youtube treats copyright strikes). And this is probably what he was aiming at.
Any controversial song like this is probably backed up on several other channels by now, you can't just delete the original and hope it goes away.

Honorius, who actually cares if it is an outright defamation of character? He's a politician, that's what you expect when you become a politician. If he can't cope with stuff like this he shouldn't have entered that line of work. If he wanted to strike back at extra3 for this he could have just mocked the group as infantile, as many politicians do for defamatory material.
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Lol, this is gold. Apparently the Turkish vice president said that the comedian in question is guilty of crimes against humanity because he insulted all 78 million Turks.
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salm wrote:Lol, this is gold. Apparently the Turkish vice president said that the comedian in question is guilty of crimes against humanity because he insulted all 78 million Turks.
Well, Turks are people. Insulting them is really much worse than genociding humanely relocating vermin Armenians to mass graves new settlements in the desert.
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