Julhelm wrote:It's reactionary to acknowledge the fact that we now have such rampant numbers of bombings and shootings that both the government and police are going ape about it?
No, that's not how it goes. I know you love your threadjack, but you still need to abide by the rules of the debate. Show me hard numbers, or be silent.
Julhelm wrote:And I guess it's xenophobic to acknowledge the fact that the amount of raping has skyrocketed the last 20 years?
The amount of rapes reported
has skyrocketed. I will now explain to you the difference between these two nigh-indistinguishale
concepts. In the first case, we're talking actual rapes happening; these we cannot know. In the second case, we're talking reported incidences of rape in a system where the definition of rape has gradually expanded.
Fuck, it was only two years ago that it became rape to have sex with someone too drunk to resist.
Oh, sorry. The explanation must, of course, be those grubby immigrants. Sinister immigrants that explain everything.
Worthless appeal to emotion. The article you linked even illuminates what you fail to grasp:
"It's seems like, in principle, you need a witness in order for someone to get convicted of rape, and how often is that the case? Children and women are definitely a vulnerable group, even in a legal sense. I didn't think it could be so bad," she said.
Turns out that if you go from only labeling aggravated and clear-cut cases of sexual violence as being rape, then it's easier to prove, thus fewer acquittals. When, however, it becomes word against word, proof is not such an easy thing to produce.
Not even if the suspects are immigrants.
Ja, se på fan. Det tycks som om Centern, totalt oinvesterade i situationen som de är, trots allt hävdar att deras egna metoder hade gett ypperliga resultat. Då är ju saken fullständigt klar.
For those of us not versed in the gentle art of Swede-to-Moron schooling, he just tried to use for proof a puff piece written by the Justice minister of the Center-right coalition (in which Linander talks about the need to do away with what he calls 'punishment rebate' for repeat offenders). Linander demonstrates the existence of said rebate using... well, the single data point of home invasions peaking during 2008. He shows no other evidence nor indeed a context in which it would be relevant
, thereby barely showing better debating skills than Julhelm.
That's nice. And? Your argument is that justice has deteriorated
. A compelling argument would be you attempting to prove
that. Instead, you shriek something about punishments being too low, which is the way a moron would argue. Would, and apparently does.
lol @ trafficking being more prevalent in Denmark. It's not the prevalence of prostitution that matters, it's the nature of it. The difference is that in Denmark it is in the open and the police know whos who
That's a bald-faced lie, and you should have made more than a token effort to mask it. You of course know just as well as the other people in this thread that I was not talking about prostitution
but of trafficking
, which is the by definition illegal
trade of humans into sexual slavery or labor. Your attempt to quietly try to switch from one to the other as if they were the same -- full well knowing about sanctioned prostitution in Denmark -- is cute, but no, I really was
talking about what the link I posted actually said
, and that is that the Danish bid to legalize prostitution actually backfired. It didn't drive prostitution into the open so much as expand it.
whereas here it's all hidden away in shady apartments and the prostitutes have little to no chance of contacting outsiders for help. Out of sight, out of mind I guess. Unsurprising, since the traditional swedish model is to deny the very existance of problems.
Really? Because if we reframe it in light of the lie you just spouted being, well, a lie, then it turns out that the measures do in fact serve to reduce violence against women
, and that the politicians do in fact care enough to put the struggle against trafficking on the official, state-funded Swedish homepage
. Your points are, in short, bullshit and transparently so.
All except the first one. I agree with you there. In Sweden, it is
all hidden away, and that leads to the plight of prostitutes you rightly described. Problem is, in my first link, there was ample indication of the fact that this happens in Denmark as well to a portion of women whose total numbers may still be substantially higher than their equivalents in Sweden.
But even if Denmark weren't a hotbed of vice in comparison, so what? You're the one describing Sweden as a den of iniquity, an outlier, a place that's gone to the pits. You
are the one on whom the onus is to provide actual fucking proof, which you don't seem to want to do.
If someone points out a problem you can just accuse them of xenophobia and score an insta-win.
Your posts have managed to illuminate the problem beyond a shred of doubt. The pity is how abundantly clear you made it that the problem is you yourself