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Five officers shot, 1 ofc dead, suspect wounded in Ogden, UT

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OGDEN — One of six police officers shot Wednesday night while serving a drug related search warrant has died.

Agent Jared Francom with the Ogden Police Department for seven years, died as a result of his injuries. The seven-year veteran of the police department is survived by a wife and two young children.

"It's a very, very sad day for all," said Ogden Interim Police Chief Wayne Tarwater.

Francom and other members of the Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force were attempting to serve a warrant about 8:40 p.m. at 3268 Jackson Ave. when a gun battle erupted.

Six officers and the alleged gunman were shot. The conditions of the five other injured officers range from serious to critical, according to a statement from the Ogden Police Department.

Officers injured
•Nate Hutchinson, Weber Co. Sheriff's Office
•Jason Vanderworf, Roy Police Dept.
•Shawn Grogan, Ogden Police Dept.
•Kasey Burrell, Ogden Police Dept.
•Michael Rounkles, Ogden Police Dept.

"This is a family. This is a law enforcement family. The law enforcement community is mourning," an emotional Tarwater said Thursday.

"We will grieve this loss, knowing officer Francom laid down his life for his friends and his community," added Weber County Sheriff Terry Thompson.

Those injured were officers Shawn Grogan, Kasey Burrell, Weber County Sheriff's Sgt. Nate Hutchinson, Michael Rounkles and agent Jason Venderworf.

The gunman, Matthew David Stewart, 37, suffered non-life threatening injuries, according to police.

Officers were serving a "knock and announce search warrant, meaning officers entered after announcing their presence," Tarwater said.

Witnesses said they heard three quick pops followed by a two to three minute pause, then more gunfire.

"I was sitting in the front room watching TV, heard three pops. My fiancé asked if they were fireworks. I said, 'No, those are gunshots,'" said resident Clayton Payne. "I ran out here to see what was going on and I was escorted back to my house by the cops. They said, ‘Get in your house. Get down.'"

Officer Jared Francom

Stewart was arrested in a nearby shed.

Asked Thursday what charges Stewart likely faces, Weber County Attorney Dee Smith — fighting back tears — said, "We have an officer who is deceased. ... Until we have the investigation completed, I'm not going to say exactly what he's facing, but we have an aggravated murder as well as a bunch of attempted aggravated murders."

Officers prepared

Darin Parke, commander of the Weber-Morgan task force, said it's common to send up to 12 officers to serve a search warrant. It's also standard procedure for task force members to wear protective vests in such situations.

Tarwater said as far as he knows, the officers who were shot were wearing vests.

A woman who claims she is a family member of the fallen officer told KSL's Doug Wright Thursday morning that task force members were highly-trained for such situations. She said the family was told Wednesday night that the suspect may be former military and was armed with an automatic weapon and a handgun.

Investigators did not confirm the details the woman offered. However, Stewart's father, Michael Stewart, told the Deseret News his son is a decorated war veteran.

ABC News Crime and Terrorism Consultant Brad Garrett told KSL Newsradio it's always a risk when officers move in to serve a warrant. "Even the best-laid plans can go awry. I don't know what their plans were, but this clearly went so sideways," he said.

Hospital responds to emergency

When McKay-Dee Hospital in Ogden learned that four of the injured officers were being rushed there Wednesday night, doctors and nurses were immediately called in from home to help.

Hospital spokesman Chris Dallin said, "Whenever there is a big lump of patients, we have a protocol as an emergency department to respond to that."

After the injured officers arrived, more Ogden police officers began showing up at the hospital. In fact, law enforcement from several jurisdictions came to the emergency room to show their support for the wounded officers. They, too, had to wait, as hospital officials are not giving any specific information about the injuries or conditions.

"I can confirm we have four patients, victims from a shooting in downtown Ogden," Dallin said. "All four of the victims are police officers."

McKay-Dee is a level two trauma center, meaning a wide range of specialist is available around the clock. Still, four patients being treated for gunshot wounds at the same time is a challenge for any hospital.

"We have a great team of folks," Dallin said. "We understand they are doing a great job with the patients."

Two other officers were taken to Ogden Regional Medical Center. One of them was in stable condition and doing well Wednesday night. The other was in critical condition.

Stay with ksl.com, KSL TV and KSL Newsradio for the latest on this developing story
What I know. The team knocked and announced. They waited for an answer and when there was no answer they forced entry. Upon entering the residence they were attacked.

This was a knock and announce warrant at a suspected drug house. The owner/subject of warrant/gunman, Matthew David Stewart, 37 had a limited non-violent criminal history consisting of a few misdemeanors. He has non-life threatening injuries.

One of the wounded officers has a superficial injury, two are critical, and two are near death. The weapon type based on witness accounts may have been an automatic rifle but this has yet to be determined by an investigation.

EDIT - Replaced initial article with article from a different source with more information.
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What does "automatic rifle" mean, to a person who only knows about guns from Hollywood? It conjures up images of the guy opening fire with a machine gun.
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Lagmonster wrote:What does "automatic rifle" mean, to a person who only knows about guns from Hollywood? It conjures up images of the guy opening fire with a machine gun.
Chances are, and I'm speculating, it's just a civilian model of something, SKS or something like that. Cheap, relative, and semi automatic.

I've been slightly concerned about something like this for a while. 10 years of war have given us a bunch of combat vets with possible mental problems (PTSD and others), but with specific skill sets, and we're in a recession with few jobs, social services cut, is just a recipe for trouble. I'm not defending this douche, just worried about some significant factors coming together.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

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Lagmonster wrote:What does "automatic rifle" mean, to a person who only knows about guns from Hollywood? It conjures up images of the guy opening fire with a machine gun.
Automatic - Weapon will continue to fire as quickly as it can cycle until you release the trigger. (I'm assuming you know what a rifle is)
Knife wrote: Chances are, and I'm speculating, it's just a civilian model of something, SKS or something like that. Cheap, relative, and semi automatic.
Probably correct. I doubt he actually had an automatic weapon but we'll see.
I've been slightly concerned about something like this for a while. 10 years of war have given us a bunch of combat vets with possible mental problems (PTSD and others), but with specific skill sets, and we're in a recession with few jobs, social services cut, is just a recipe for trouble. I'm not defending this douche, just worried about some significant factors coming together.
I share this concern. Rumors, and I stress that this is a rumor, is that the gunman is a vet.
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Yeah, I live a county over and actually grew up in Ogden. It's all over the news, radio, tv, interweb. It's been reported over and over again that he is 'probably' a combat vet. It's now being reported that he is a 'decorated Gulf War Vet', though not sure which one. At 36, he's a bit young for Gulf War in the 90's. *shrug*
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

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Knife wrote: I've been slightly concerned about something like this for a while. 10 years of war have given us a bunch of combat vets with possible mental problems (PTSD and others), but with specific skill sets, and we're in a recession with few jobs, social services cut, is just a recipe for trouble. I'm not defending this douche, just worried about some significant factors coming together.
Yeah. The last time police over here tried to storm a house occupied by a trained crook (former Spetznaz soldier), it turned into a bloodbath, too. Not surprising.
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Here in Washington state we had the park ranger killed on New Year's Day by a heavily armed war vet. I agree with the others that have said we should probably expect to see more and more of these.
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Its the same thing that happened in the 1920's and 30's; Bad economy, lots of men with military training and plenty of illegal opportunities to make money.
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Maybe those cops should not have been breaking down a citizens door at night to deal with a yet another 'possible' non violent crime inolving that worst of drugs, marijuana. Another fucking stupid waste of life and money; but at least the police had the right house in this drug raid.

As for the suspect, he was in the army, he was never in combat and served 1994-1999 according to this quoting an Army spokesmen.
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Can army vets or currently serving along with law enforcement get automatic versions and not civilian versions of weapons? The guy involved in the Washington Ranger shooting had pictures of himself with sub-machine guns and rifles with really extended magazines so wondering if their status matters, though in that case discharge details are not released. Usually see that on manufacturer sites, something (Law enforcement/military only) etc, does that mean outside of the workplace they can still purchase?

Another question is what determines if they bring in a SWAT team or from how this sounds the "drug" team (normal officers or detectives from that division). Can they not look up details and records once a warrant is served like gun ownership or history? These guys would be in the typical gear, pistols and vest nothing more elaborate than that, still not easy to take down so many unless his rifle/ammo was above the normal vest rating cops use and any cover inside the house. Also how the hell did the guy survive and be taken in with non-threatening injuries after firing on them, guess he could have given up somehow after being hit, props to them if that happened even after cops were down.

(Edit) Read that last link, sadly seems like the deceased officer got hit in the face, guess a night raid didn't help either in what they say was a 10min+ gunfight.
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Any semi-automatic weapon can be converted to fire full auto if you've got the right tools; selective fire is a bit harder, but not impossible for a skilled gunsmith with a good machine shop, especially for retrofitting to a sporter version of a paramilitary weapon. Either that or the guy somehow managed to acquire a Kalashnikov or something as a "trophy of war" while stationed overseas.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Maybe those cops should not have been breaking down a citizens door at night to deal with a yet another 'possible' non violent crime inolving that worst of drugs, marijuana. Another fucking stupid waste of life and money; but at least the police had the right house in this drug raid.
I agree that the drug war is a waste of time, lives, and money. However, saying "maybe the police shouldn't" is ridiculous. It is the job and expectation that the police will enforce the law. This expecation comes from the elected civilian government. Instead you should have phrased it "maybe the government should make drugs legal, or maybe the government shouldn't allow warrant service on homes for non-violent crimes, etc, etc"

And yes it is good they hit the right house. Though not really surprising since the correct target is hit 99% of the time.
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Meest wrote:Can army vets or currently serving along with law enforcement get automatic versions and not civilian versions of weapons? The guy involved in the Washington Ranger shooting had pictures of himself with sub-machine guns and rifles with really extended magazines so wondering if their status matters, though in that case discharge details are not released. Usually see that on manufacturer sites, something (Law enforcement/military only) etc, does that mean outside of the workplace they can still purchase?
Automatic weapons can be legally purchased if you can get permission from the local law enforcement chief and pay a fee each year. As for your last question in order to purchase those you have to show proof of current employment.
Another question is what determines if they bring in a SWAT team or from how this sounds the "drug" team (normal officers or detectives from that division). Can they not look up details and records once a warrant is served like gun ownership or history? These guys would be in the typical gear, pistols and vest nothing more elaborate than that, still not easy to take down so many unless his rifle/ammo was above the normal vest rating cops use and any cover inside the house. Also how the hell did the guy survive and be taken in with non-threatening injuries after firing on them, guess he could have given up somehow after being hit, props to them if that happened even after cops were down.
Well, this was the Morgan Weber County Strike Force. They have specialized training for these types of raids. The problem is they were dealing with someone who was willing to murder but had no prior history of violence or weapon ownership.
(Edit) Read that last link, sadly seems like the deceased officer got hit in the face, guess a night raid didn't help either in what they say was a 10min+ gunfight.
A night raid only makes sense if you're serving a no-knock warrant which is what this should have been. It wasn't a no-knock warrant because of the reasons I listed above.
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This is a real damned if you do, damned if you don't area of law enforcement. The war on drugs is a waste of resources at best, but officers have no choice but to preform these raids as long as the laws remain the way they are. If they execute a no-knock and get any one of many things wrong they look bad, if they knock and get shot up they look bad, if they knock and the guy escapes/flushes evidence they look bad. When everything goes to plan they make front page for a day and everybody promptly forgets all about it.

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Oh jeez, was it really a fucking pot raid? What a waste. At least if these guys got attacked while keeping a real drug off the streets you could say they died doing something worthwhile.
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S.L.Acker wrote:This is a real damned if you do, damned if you don't area of law enforcement. The war on drugs is a waste of resources at best, but officers have no choice but to preform these raids as long as the laws remain the way they are. If they execute a no-knock and get any one of many things wrong they look bad, if they knock and get shot up they look bad, if they knock and the guy escapes/flushes evidence they look bad. When everything goes to plan they make front page for a day and everybody promptly forgets all about it.

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I'm not really sure this makes the cops "look bad". It's a bunch of pointless and sad deaths, yeah, but there's no obvious incompetence and/or malice involved from the police. The fact it went down over marijuana makes this a fucking shame, it's a lot like cops getting shot up while making a traffic stop over a busted tail light.
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PeZook wrote:
S.L.Acker wrote:This is a real damned if you do, damned if you don't area of law enforcement. The war on drugs is a waste of resources at best, but officers have no choice but to preform these raids as long as the laws remain the way they are. If they execute a no-knock and get any one of many things wrong they look bad, if they knock and get shot up they look bad, if they knock and the guy escapes/flushes evidence they look bad. When everything goes to plan they make front page for a day and everybody promptly forgets all about it.

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I'm not really sure this makes the cops "look bad". It's a bunch of pointless and sad deaths, yeah, but there's no obvious incompetence and/or malice involved from the police. The fact it went down over marijuana makes this a fucking shame, it's a lot like cops getting shot up while making a traffic stop over a busted tail light.
I should have worded that better. What I was getting at is that this makes them look bad for not using a no knock warrant, but the next time a no knock goes wrong they'll get it from the other end.
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Zaune wrote:Any semi-automatic weapon can be converted to fire full auto if you've got the right tools; selective fire is a bit harder, but not impossible for a skilled gunsmith with a good machine shop, especially for retrofitting to a sporter version of a paramilitary weapon. Either that or the guy somehow managed to acquire a Kalashnikov or something as a "trophy of war" while stationed overseas.
Fuck you can get legal fully auto-matic weapons. Just $200 and a tax stamp. Of course the original model is probably pretty expensive.

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Kamakazie Sith wrote: I agree that the drug war is a waste of time, lives, and money. However, saying "maybe the police shouldn't" is ridiculous. It is the job and expectation that the police will enforce the law. This expecation comes from the elected civilian government. Instead you should have phrased it "maybe the government should make drugs legal, or maybe the government shouldn't allow warrant service on homes for non-violent crimes, etc, etc"
No nothing is obligating the police to make night raids or enter houses with completely unknown occupants. Police do decline to enforce laws all the damn time anyway. Don't act like law enforcement in the US is some kind of drone enterprise, we both blatantly know it is not. The war on drugs goes ahead because enough police are gung ho about it to make sure it stays that way. You might notice police in prohibition were completely able to ignore the law, leaving the feds alone to mostly ignore it and it became a huge factor in the collapse of the entire enterprise.

And yes it is good they hit the right house. Though not really surprising since the correct target is hit 99% of the time.
And they very often get away with murdering random people and peoples dogs the other times. Now if 1 out of 100 times I entered the wrong house coming home and shot the owner... yeah I don't think it'd be getting away with that no matter what the circumstances.
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RIPP_n_WIPE wrote:Fuck you can get legal fully automatic weapons. Just $200 and a tax stamp. Of course the original model is probably pretty expensive.

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I'm assuming he didn't buy it legally, because then the police would have known about it from the BATF's records, and I can't see any department serving a knock-and-announce warrant on someone they know has a fully automatic weapon in his possession.
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Sea Skimmer wrote: No nothing is obligating the police to make night raids or enter houses with completely unknown occupants. Police do decline to enforce laws all the damn time anyway. Don't act like law enforcement in the US is some kind of drone enterprise, we both blatantly know it is not. The war on drugs goes ahead because enough police are gung ho about it to make sure it stays that way. You might notice police in prohibition were completely able to ignore the law, leaving the feds alone to mostly ignore it and it became a huge factor in the collapse of the entire enterprise.
You're wrong about pretty much all of that except for maybe the bit about the poilice ignoring prohibition. However, what happened in the past has no bearing on what the realities of today are.


And they very often get away with murdering random people and peoples dogs the other times. Now if 1 out of 100 times I entered the wrong house coming home and shot the owner... yeah I don't think it'd be getting away with that no matter what the circumstances.
No figures. No numbers. Baseless accusations. You might as well not even post this bullshit if you're not going to substantiate it with facts. Also, your analogy is retarded.
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Why didn't they attempt to arrest him outside his residence?

Instead of showing up at night, approach him as he's about to enter/leave his place. He's less likely to have a rifle on him then. ;)

Think "to catch a predator". Get the guy when he least expects trouble.

Of course, even a garand could (loosely) classify as an "automatic" & would be devastating in the right hands. There isn't much that can stop a .30-06 rd.
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My guess is because the chance of collateral damage increases if the suspect is considered armed and dangerous and is outside his residence. So they execute the search warrant at the residence. It's also where the incriminating evidence is almost certainly going to be.

Also it's done at night more than likely because most people are in their homes at night rather than on the street. That's my guess anyway.
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Horrible horrible situation... My condolences to the Utah law enforcement community. The fact that this guy shot half a dozen cops makes me glad he's off he street as he clearly had homicidal tendencies. The fact that he chose to blindly pray and spray when faced with the consequences of his actions shows he is clearly a piece of shit. That aside, what an awful waste of life for some fucking bags of weed.
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Sea Skimmer wrote: No nothing is obligating the police to make night raids or enter houses with completely unknown occupants. Police do decline to enforce laws all the damn time anyway. Don't act like law enforcement in the US is some kind of drone enterprise, we both blatantly know it is not. The war on drugs goes ahead because enough police are gung ho about it to make sure it stays that way. You might notice police in prohibition were completely able to ignore the law, leaving the feds alone to mostly ignore it and it became a huge factor in the collapse of the entire enterprise.
You're wrong about pretty much all of that except for maybe the bit about the poilice ignoring prohibition. However, what happened in the past has no bearing on what the realities of today are.
My understanding is police have no legal obligation to respond to a crime. If that's wrong, let us know. If it's true, why are they they wasting time and lives on 'crime' like pot?
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Sea Skimmer wrote: And they very often get away with murdering random people and peoples dogs the other times. Now if 1 out of 100 times I entered the wrong house coming home and shot the owner... yeah I don't think it'd be getting away with that no matter what the circumstances.
No figures. No numbers. Baseless accusations. You might as well not even post this bullshit if you're not going to substantiate it with facts. Also, your analogy is retarded.
99% was your figure. You said the right house was hit 99% of the time. If anyone else mistakenly entered the wrong house with a loaded gun, the law would not be so kind.

And the analogy is perfectly valid, and would apply just as well for one in ten thousand. Googling 'police wrongful death' turns up a plethora of cases and these are only the ones that are public.
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