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William Barr lets Roger Stone off easy, four prosecutors resign in protest.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-02-12 02:46am

Remember Roger Stone? Left-over human slime trail of the Nixon administration, key go-between between the Trump campaign and Wikileaks, and guy who threatened/incited civil war in the event Trump was removed from office? He was a major target of the Mueller probe, and some months back was convicted on numerous charges including lying to Congress and obstruction. Prosecutors recommended seven to nine years in prison for Stone. Then, at Trump's behest, Barr intervened to reduce their recommended sentence.

All four federal prosecutors on the case then resigned in protest.

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(CNN)By bulldozing into Roger Stone's sentencing, Donald Trump sparked a mutiny by four career prosecutors, raised fears about the impartial administration of justice and showed how his impeachment acquittal unchained an already rampant presidency.

The Justice Department's decision to water down a recommendation by its own prosecutors for Stone to serve up to nine years in prison that outraged the President sent shockwaves through Washington. It also appears to reflect Trump's redoubled determination to escalate pressure on core institutions of the US government to pursue his personal and political priorities.

The sudden storm over Stone, triggered by an early hours tweet by the President, is part of an accelerating pattern of unmoderated behavior since Trump was found not guilty of impeachable offenses a week ago by Republican senators -- some of whom expressed the hope that the scar of impeachment would temper his wildest impulses.

Instead, the President appears to have drawn a lesson about impunity from his experience and seems committed to accelerating his bid to subvert constitutional and political norms. This may augur a period of expansive power plays by the President -- as he runs for reelection and that could become even more intense if he wins a second term.

In another sign of his defiance, Trump last week fired officials, including White House Ukraine specialist Lt. Col Alexander Vindman, who were subpoenaed to testify in the impeachment inquiry in a manner that might have been interpreted as witness intimidation in a regular context and is likely to chill future accountability. On Tuesday, he said that he would "certainly" expect the military to look at disciplining Vindman, who testified that he was troubled by the President's call with Ukraine's President in July.

Trump has also launched searing personal attacks on senators who voted to convict him, and questioned the faith of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who led the impeachment process there.

Stone was convicted by a jury of lying to Congress and witness tampering. The Justice Department reversal that triggered the remarkable resignations of four top prosecutors in the case could fuel an impression that cronies of the President can commit crimes and get special treatment. It also poses the question of whether political appointees are undercutting the work of career prosecutors in a way that could prejudice the rule of law.

"This is completely stunning. I have seen thousands of cases in my career as a federal and state prosecutor. I have never seen anything like this," CNN legal analyst Elie Honig told Jake Tapper. "It stinks to high hell. There are all sorts of problems here. This is not normal."

Trump denies he intervened
Trump denied he had asked the Justice Department to lower the sentencing recommendations concerning Stone but he said that the idea that his longtime friend and fixer should spend up to nine years in prison was ridiculous and attacked the federal prosecutors who conducted the case.

"I thought the whole prosecution was ridiculous and I look at others who haven't been prosecuted. That was a horrible aberration, these, I guess the same Mueller people who put everybody through hell," the President said.

Trump also risked exacerbating the controversy by insisting that although he hadn't barged into the Stone case "I'd be able to do it if I wanted."

"I have the absolute right to do it," Trump said in a previously unscheduled appearance before reporters.

Trump's comment ignored the fact that as he often has in other contexts, he made his move on Stone in plain sight -- in a tweet -- rather than in some suspicious behind-the-scenes intervention.

Even if the Justice Department was not reacting directly to the President's tweet, the impression that it was is just as damaging.

The impartial administration of justice does not just require actual separation between politics and the law. The Justice Department's reputation and the credibility of the rule of law rests on the impression that such a situation prevails.

The President's move crystallized the argument of Democrats competing in Tuesday's New Hampshire primary that Trump -- through such actions as firing former FBI chief James Comey over the Russia probe -- constantly abuses his power.

Pelosi sent a tweet Tuesday night criticizing Trump for engaging in "political interference" in the Stone sentencing.

"It is outrageous that DOJ has deeply damaged the rule of law by withdrawing its recommendation. Stepping down of prosecutors should be commended & actions of DOJ should be investigated," Pelosi wrote.

But such criticism is unlikely to harm Trump among his most committed supporters, who have bought into his claims of "dirty cops" and "scum" operating in a "Deep State" at the Justice Department.

Barr in the middle of yet another controversy

The highly unusual episode over Stone will also fuel concerns among legal experts that Attorney General Bill Barr is functioning increasingly as a political functionary for Trump.

The department said there was no coordination with the White House on Stone's sentence. Yet the President's public tweet leaves the clear impression that he is meddling in the case.

Trump has made no secret of his view that the Justice Department should pursue his political enemies and protect him. Multiple recent actions by Barr have appeared to favor the President and tarnished the department's reputation for the impartial administration of justice -- a pillar of the political system.

In recent days, Barr has said his department is looking at information provided by Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani alleging misconduct by Joe Biden and his son in Ukraine. Trump and his allies have repeatedly made unfounded and false claims to allege that the Bidens acted corruptly in Ukraine. Barr has also warned that federal investigations into political campaigns must be vetted by the senior political leadership at Justice.

Barr named US Attorney John Durham to investigate the origin of the FBI's investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Russia, after calls for such a probe by the President.

In his most controversial intervention, Barr wrote to Congress last year about the conclusions of Robert Mueller's report before it was released, prompting the special counsel to complain that the Attorney General did not capture the character of his findings.

Career prosecutors handling the Stone case made an aggressive sentencing recommendation of seven to nine years in prison over a conviction based on seven charges.

But a senior Justice Department official told CNN the finding was "extreme and excessive" and disproportionate to Stone's offenses and was not communicated to department leaders.

The backtrack came after Trump sent out a tweet complaining about the recommendation in the middle of the night.

"This is a horrible and very unfair situation. The real crimes were on the other side, as nothing happens to them. Cannot allow this miscarriage of justice!" Trump wrote.

The tweet immediately sparked fresh speculation that the President would use his executive powers to pardon Stone -- whose attorneys had argued for a maximum sentence of 15 to 21 months.

The final decision on sentencing will be left to the judge in the case Amy Berman Jackson. Some legal experts have said that the seven to nine years recommendation was harsh, though it was the product of a table of sentencing guidelines.

In an updated filing to the court late Tuesday afternoon, the department did not specify how much jail time it wanted to receive but called for a sentence for "far less" than it had originally requested.

Democrats demand accountability

The swift reaction to the Stone controversy from top Democrats signaled the House still intends to wield its checks and balances powers to seek to constrain Trump, even given the failure of the impeachment effort to oust him from office.

Senate Democratic minority leader Chuck Schumer called on the Justice Department's inspector general to launch an investigation.

House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, a New York Democrat, said that his panel would investigate the Stone sentencing matter.

"A President who intervenes in the criminal justice system to help his allies, while punishing people like Lt. Col. Vindman for telling the truth, represents a real danger and the Committee will get to the bottom of this," Nadler tweeted.

The lead House impeachment manager, California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, who warned senators during the trial that Trump's acquittal would prompt the President to reach for even more illicit power, called the Trump administration the gravest threat to the rule of law in a generation.

"I do not take a position on the proper prison term for Mr. Stone, but it would be a blatant abuse of power if President Trump has in fact intervened to reverse the recommendations of career prosecutors at the Department of Justice," Schiff said.

"Doing so would send an unmistakable message that President Trump will protect those who lie to Congress to cover up his own misconduct, and that the attorney general will join him in that effort," Schiff said in a statement.

Three prosecutors who worked on the Stone case quit soon after the department backtracked on its sentencing memo.

Aaron Zelinsky and Jonathan Kravis also resigned from the DC US Attorney's office and Adam Jed and Michael Marando filed memos to withdraw from the Stone case.

Ironically, the danger posed to America's institutions of governance by political interference was at the center of final arguments in the Stone case made by Marando.

"In our institutions of self-governance, committee hearings, courts of law ... truth still matters," Marando said.
A recent change to DOJ policy also prohibits any investigation of a Presidential campaign- unless approved by Barr personally. Ie, any Democratic campaign will be investigated, and any investigation of any crime by the Trump campaign will be blocked: https://cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/jus ... index.html

And as noted above, it was also recently confirmed that Barr was still getting dirt from the Ukraine via Rudi Giuliani against the Bidens (ie, the same illegal election interference Trump was impeached for).

At least we can hope the Judge is honest enough to tell the DOJ and its new sentencing recommendations to go to hell, and give Stone the sentence he deserves. Because the thought that after everything that's happened, a scumbag like Stone will get a sweetheart deal thanks to such blatantly autocratic and criminal favoritism by the President, makes me feel downright ill.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:
2020-02-12 02:46am
At least we can hope the Judge is honest enough to tell the DOJ and its new sentencing recommendations to go to hell, and give Stone the sentence he deserves. Because the thought that after everything that's happened, a scumbag like Stone will get a sweetheart deal thanks to such blatantly autocratic and criminal favoritism by the President, makes me feel downright ill.
The odd part is that the judge wouldn't have that option if Trump had just pardoned Stone. Why did Trump do it this way instead of just issuing a pardon ?

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Post by houser2112 » 2020-02-12 11:07am

Maybe he thinks that actually pardoning someone who is so close to him and his shenanigans crosses a line that going through his AG doesn't? (They both are far beyond the line to me)

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Post by Napoleon the Clown » 2020-02-12 11:35am

He's showing that he controls the DoJ. He's metaphorically flexing to show that he's the king and everyone is under his thumb.
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Post by Steel » 2020-02-12 12:19pm

Presumably the logic is along the lines of making a pardon "easier". Either he ends up pardoning someone with a very short sentence, or he is reversing the action of a rogue judge who gave a much longer sentence than that recommended by the DoJ.
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Post by Coop D'etat » 2020-02-12 06:44pm

houser2112 wrote:
2020-02-12 11:07am
Maybe he thinks that actually pardoning someone who is so close to him and his shenanigans crosses a line that going through his AG doesn't? (They both are far beyond the line to me)
Pardoning is less crossing the line than directing prosecutor activity. As Napolean has pointed out, the reason to do it this way is show that he can and nobody will stop him.

Although there is another broader point that its likely that Trump doesn't understand the powers of the Presidency very well so tends to do things in stupid and thuggish ways rather than accomplishing his goals by normal means.

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Post by Mr Bean » 2020-02-12 06:56pm

Coop D'etat wrote:
2020-02-12 06:44pm
houser2112 wrote:
2020-02-12 11:07am
Maybe he thinks that actually pardoning someone who is so close to him and his shenanigans crosses a line that going through his AG doesn't? (They both are far beyond the line to me)
Pardoning is less crossing the line than directing prosecutor activity. As Napolean has pointed out, the reason to do it this way is show that he can and nobody will stop him.

Although there is another broader point that its likely that Trump doesn't understand the powers of the Presidency very well so tends to do things in stupid and thuggish ways rather than accomplishing his goals by normal means.
You forget an extra possibility Trump is heading into the middle stages of dementia and suffering from organic cognitive decline. He's starting to have good days and bad days instead of just slip ups. Since he's so self motivated his coping mechanism is simple braggadocio to double down or triple down on whatever he's done that day because he still remembers that working.

I'm going to make a far off prediction now Mr Bean February 12 2020, I don't think he's going to attend the debates. As for if he pardons Stone it may be he does but his handlers power over him I believe is growing by the day.

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Post by Rogue 9 » 2020-02-12 07:14pm

Unfortunately, his halfway sane handlers have all been fired.

Anyway, Attorney General Barr has agreed to testify before Congress concerning this episode. Associated Press
Barr agrees to testify as Democrats question his leadership
By MARY CLARE JALONICK

WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr has agreed to testify before the House Judiciary Committee next month, appearing for the first time before the panel as questions swirl about whether he intervened in the case of a longtime ally of President Donald Trump.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., released a letter Wednesday to Barr “to confirm your agreement to testify” on March 31. In the letter, Nadler and committee Democrats write that they have concerns that Barr has misused the criminal justice system for political purposes.

“In your tenure as attorney general, you have engaged in a pattern of conduct in legal matters relating to the president that raises significant concerns for this committee,” Nadler and the Democrats wrote.

The Justice Department confirmed Barr would testify. His appearance will be the first before the House Judiciary panel since he became attorney general a year ago, and since he declined an invitation to testify about special counsel Robert Mueller’s report after it was released.

The Democrats said they plan to ask Barr about the department’s decision this week to overrule four federal prosecutors and lower the amount of prison time it would seek for Trump’s confidant Roger Stone. The four prosecutors immediately quit the case, in which Stone was convicted of lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstructing the House investigation into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to tip the 2016 election.

They said they will also ask Barr about his department’s announcement that it is taking information that Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani is gathering in Ukraine about the president’s Democratic rival Joe Biden and his son. The House voted in December to impeach Trump because of his pressure on Ukraine to investigate Democrats; the GOP-led Senate acquitted him this month.

“In the past week alone, you have taken steps that raise grave questions about your leadership,” the Democrats wrote.

After the department indicated it would overrule the prosecutors, Trump tweeted congratulations to Barr “for taking charge of a case that was totally out of control and perhaps should not have been brought,” suggesting the prosecutors had gone rogue.

The department insisted the decision to undo the sentencing recommendation was made Monday night, before Trump began tweeting about it, and that prosecutors had not spoken to the White House about it.

The Senate has shown less interest in grilling Barr on the Stone episode, defending the department’s decision to reduce the sentence and saying they didn’t expect to call him specifically to discuss it.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Wednesday that he had spoken to the Justice Department and was told that their sentencing guidelines call for three and a half or four and a half years, instead of the seven to nine years the prosecutors had recommended.

“I don’t think any of us should tweet about an ongoing case, but having said that, I appreciate the Department of Justice making sure that their recommendations to the court are to seek justice for the law as it’s written,” Graham said.

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Associated Press writers Michael Balsamo and Padmananda Rama contributed to this report.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-02-12 10:27pm

bilateralrope wrote:
2020-02-12 10:59am
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2020-02-12 02:46am
At least we can hope the Judge is honest enough to tell the DOJ and its new sentencing recommendations to go to hell, and give Stone the sentence he deserves. Because the thought that after everything that's happened, a scumbag like Stone will get a sweetheart deal thanks to such blatantly autocratic and criminal favoritism by the President, makes me feel downright ill.
The odd part is that the judge wouldn't have that option if Trump had just pardoned Stone. Why did Trump do it this way instead of just issuing a pardon ?
Trump is still teasing the possibility of a pardon, so there's time yet. :evil:

Honestly, if Trump keeps pardoning utter human garbage, I'm probably going to be persuaded of the merits of retroactive laws just so we can lock these fuckers up again. Frankly, at this point, I want to see his entire Presidency and every act he undertook declared null and void.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-02-12 11:20pm

Senator Warren has called for Barr's resignation or impeachment.

I remember she was first of the Presidential candidates to unequivocally back Trump's impeachment too. One might cynically say she's just trying to keep her campaign relevant, but damn it she's right.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2020-02-13 02:06am

Mr Bean wrote:
2020-02-12 06:56pm
You forget an extra possibility Trump is heading into the middle stages of dementia and suffering from organic cognitive decline. He's starting to have good days and bad days instead of just slip ups.
If that is true, any estimates on when it will become difficult for Trump supporters to deny it and/or Trump's handlers try to keep him from making any speeches that will be recorded.

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Post by Mr Bean » 2020-02-13 05:55am

bilateralrope wrote:
2020-02-13 02:06am
Mr Bean wrote:
2020-02-12 06:56pm
You forget an extra possibility Trump is heading into the middle stages of dementia and suffering from organic cognitive decline. He's starting to have good days and bad days instead of just slip ups.
If that is true, any estimates on when it will become difficult for Trump supporters to deny it and/or Trump's handlers try to keep him from making any speeches that will be recorded.
See that's the thing Donald Trump is the president therefor except for a few events his schedule is his own. He can use "executive time" to hide all he likes so unless a "bad day" occurs on the campaign trail and his handlers fail to spot it, or it coincides with a major event they can hide the worst of it.

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Post by Tribble » 2020-02-13 06:53am

Mr Bean wrote:
2020-02-13 05:55am
bilateralrope wrote:
2020-02-13 02:06am
Mr Bean wrote:
2020-02-12 06:56pm
You forget an extra possibility Trump is heading into the middle stages of dementia and suffering from organic cognitive decline. He's starting to have good days and bad days instead of just slip ups.
If that is true, any estimates on when it will become difficult for Trump supporters to deny it and/or Trump's handlers try to keep him from making any speeches that will be recorded.
See that's the thing Donald Trump is the president therefor except for a few events his schedule is his own. He can use "executive time" to hide all he likes so unless a "bad day" occurs on the campaign trail and his handlers fail to spot it, or it coincides with a major event they can hide the worst of it.
Plus if it gets bad enough he’ll probably just declare that he was poisoned by Democrats in an “assassination attempt “.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown » 2020-02-13 09:07pm

It wouldn't require any sort of complex lie. His little cultists will just pass anything off, no matter how blatant, as "everybody has a bad day, are God-King is the healthiest POTUS ever and super smart and stable". Evidence and reality do not matter to them. Republican Congresscritters will ignore it for the sake of keeping power and avoiding pissing off the more... violent members of Trump's base, making bad-faith arguments to excuse anything and everything. Keep in mind that Reagan's brain had turned to silly putty while he was still in office and it got swept under the rug.

Also keep in mind that Trump is, and always has been, a fucking imbecile who babbles nonsense if you let him go off.
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If Stone receives a pardon, he can be compelled to testify without 5A protections.
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Dalton wrote:
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If Stone receives a pardon, he can be compelled to testify without 5A protections.
Only if somebody enforces it when he refuses.
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FireNexus wrote:
2020-02-14 04:00pm
Dalton wrote:
2020-02-14 01:46pm
If Stone receives a pardon, he can be compelled to testify without 5A protections.
Only if somebody enforces it when he refuses.
That's the trick, isn't it... I wish the House Dems were more forceful with their oversight powers.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2020-02-15 01:34am

Dalton wrote:
2020-02-14 01:46pm
If Stone receives a pardon, he can be compelled to testify without 5A protections.
Wouldn't a conviction have the same effect ?
Dalton wrote:
2020-02-14 04:03pm
FireNexus wrote:
2020-02-14 04:00pm
Dalton wrote:
2020-02-14 01:46pm
If Stone receives a pardon, he can be compelled to testify without 5A protections.
Only if somebody enforces it when he refuses.
That's the trick, isn't it... I wish the House Dems were more forceful with their oversight powers.
What powers does Congress have to enforce their subpoenas if the justice department isn't cooperating ?

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bilateralrope wrote:
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Dalton wrote:
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If Stone receives a pardon, he can be compelled to testify without 5A protections.
Wouldn't a conviction have the same effect ?
Not so long as he still has avenues to appeal.
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Post by Dalton » 2020-02-19 04:29pm

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What powers does Congress have to enforce their subpoenas if the justice department isn't cooperating ?
DOJ wouldn't have jurisdiction there. They could have the court enforce the subpoena, declare someone in contempt, etc. They have tools, but appear to be hesitant to use them
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-02-19 05:11pm

The most extreme tool would be to order the Congressional Police/House Sergeant at Arms to start making arrests for Contempt of Congress. They haven't done that since the 30s IIRC, because they've relied on the DOJ for enforcement, but desperate times, desperate measures.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-02-20 09:11pm

UPDATE: Stone sentenced to 40 months, plus two years' probation per count, running concurrently, as well as substance abuse testing, community service, and a 20,000 dollar fine.

Note however that this is far less than the up to nine years in prison that the prosecutors originally recommended. Looks like Barr's intervention was at least somewhat effective:

https://cnn.com/politics/live-news/roge ... index.html

Trump has ruled out an immediate pardon or commutation, saying he wants the process to play out first, but hinting that he may do it down the road.
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Re: William Barr lets Roger Stone off easy, four prosecutors resign in protest.

Post by Mr Bean » 2020-02-20 10:25pm

He got half the time for witness tampering, lying to congress and obstruction of justice (Seven felonies total) that your average first time offender gets for enough weed for three fun weekends.

Worse still despite Judge Amy Berman Jackson stating his threats would not be tolerated he made threats against her as well and it looks like it got him a lighter than average sentence. Stone could have face twenty years for the witness tampering and he was STILL trying to do it while the trial started up via twitter and facebook.

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Re: William Barr lets Roger Stone off easy, four prosecutors resign in protest.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-02-20 10:59pm

Mr Bean wrote:
2020-02-20 10:25pm
He got half the time for witness tampering, lying to congress and obstruction of justice (Seven felonies total) that your average first time offender gets for enough weed for three fun weekends.

Worse still despite Judge Amy Berman Jackson stating his threats would not be tolerated he made threats against her as well and it looks like it got him a lighter than average sentence. Stone could have face twenty years for the witness tampering and he was STILL trying to do it while the trial started up via twitter and facebook.
Rule of law? What rule of law?

I can really only think of three possibilities, here:

1. The Judge is a secret Trumper.

2. She was intimidated by Trump's actions into giving his lacky a lighter sentence.

3. She did this in the hopes that if she gave him a relatively light sentence, Trump might not outright pardon/commute it.
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver

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Re: William Barr lets Roger Stone off easy, four prosecutors resign in protest.

Post by Coop D'etat » 2020-02-21 10:53pm

Mr Bean wrote:
2020-02-20 10:25pm
He got half the time for witness tampering, lying to congress and obstruction of justice (Seven felonies total) that your average first time offender gets for enough weed for three fun weekends.

Worse still despite Judge Amy Berman Jackson stating his threats would not be tolerated he made threats against her as well and it looks like it got him a lighter than average sentence. Stone could have face twenty years for the witness tampering and he was STILL trying to do it while the trial started up via twitter and facebook.
Nobody gets the max sentence for anything, so the 20 years isn't a thing to focus on.

I'm not an expert on US Federal criminal sentencing, but the opinion on this from people who would know this system and are no fans of the Trump administration is that it was about what was to be expected for this kind of case. It looks like Barr further undermined his credibility (for what that's worth anything anymore) for no tangible gain.

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