Darthy, do you know what "equivocation" is? You're guilty of it. In this vs. scenario we're talking about the Borg's ability to assimilate SW tech, we're not talking about cultural assimilation, Borg propaganda or any somesuch. That's irrelevant and a fucking Red Herring to boot.
Do you want to look like a dishonest prick?
Assimilation in the strictest sense does not require nanoprobes though. A neural transceiver placed at the base of the skull can link a person to the collective. We saw the borg were going to do it to Janeway and Tuvok in episode "scorpian part 2" and it was done to chakotay in episode "unity".
What exactly are you trying to prove with this piece of dialogue? That Crosis threatened Data with assimilation?
That data was assimilated by that collective.
Underlined the lie. None of the Borg in Descent were linked to the Collective. Have you seen Descent, part II? Lore explains...
I didn't say "the Collective", I said "that collective". Its possible to have borg collectives outside of the collective. Here's the proof for that:
from voyager episode "shattered"
SEVEN: There are only two of you. If I were to assimilate you into a small Borg collective, you could then assimilate others. The work would proceed more rapidly.
from voyager episode "collective"
MEZOTI: We're a Collective.
SEVEN: A collective of five on a vessel normally run by five thousand. What makes you think you'll survive?
LEADER: No. The drone is part of our Collective.
ICHEB: Not if it dies.
voyager episode "scorpion part 1"
CHAKOTAY: I was linked to a Collective once, remember? I had a neuro-transceiver embedded in my spine. I know who we're dealing with. We've got to get rid of that last Borg and take our chances alone
voyager episode "survival instinct"
THREE OF NINE: We found we'd been linked together somehow
FOUR OF NINE: We were a subset within the Collective
TWO OF NINE: It's like having three voices whispering in one ear
THREE OF NINE: And a crowd screaming in the other
FOUR OF NINE: We had to break free, so we worked together. We finally escaped.
TWO OF NINE: We had our implants removed on Inavar Prime.
THREE OF NINE: But they couldn't break the neural link.
so it's possible to have collectives which are not part of "the Collective". I would think this would be obvious but let me know if you still don't get it since it's important you understand this point to understand the others.
So tell me again, how Data was assimilated into the Collective? What fucking Collective? This was a group of individual Borg, under the direct leadership of Lore.
Data was also under Lore's control, because he was using his emotion chip to manipulate him. If you wish to dispute this, I'll happily provide quotes to back it up, but I'm not wasting any more space on it right now.
The Borg certainly did not know everything that Data knew, so you can stop trying to loosen the definition of 'assimilate'. All your examples using 7 of 9 only demonstrate her having a badly stunted vocabulary. The quote from VOY:'The Gift' refers to humans 'assimilating' her, FFS!
Those borg drones were still linked together as a borg collective. Going back to the earlier quote, why else would Crosis threaten assimilation if there was nothing for data to be assimilated into? Hugh refereed to collective before it got changed from a "single-minded collective" but still a collective. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_Collective
refers to these as a "minor collectives".
It might, if you hadn't just invented it yourself.
doesn't matter if I thought it up, it could still be the reality (genetic fallacy on your part)
Which is why the Borg Queen was trying to assimilate Data in FC.
In fact, considering that Wes' nanoprobes can control Data (which the Borg can't do) and Voyager's nanoprobes can fuck over S8472 9which the Borg couldn't do) it's pretty safe to say that Borg nanotech is actually pretty inferior to Federation nanotech. Who would've guessed that one?
The queen was trying to assimilate data to obtain the encryption codes, she had no interest in data as stated in this dialogue:
DATA: I understand that you have no real interest in me. That your goal is to obtain the encryption codes for the Enterprise computer.
Really? The RAWR UNSTOPPABLE!!!1!!11 Borg, not adapting, innovating, and using knowledge at their disposal? Are we still talking about the same Borg?
in first contact says how "The Collective" would perform when it comes to assimilating data. After the borg traveled back in time they had to establish a collective among themselves as stated in this dialogue:
PICARD: The first thing they'll do in engineering is establish a collective, a central point from which they can control the hive. The problem is if we begin firing particle weapons in engineering there's a risk we may hit the warp core. I believe our goal should be to puncture one of the plasma coolant tanks. Data?
We see in the movie how this minor collective performs and presumably its not as well as the Collective would perform. They are using the collective knowledge from few hundred drones instead of the trillions they had back in the 24th century.
Another factor working against them is the destruction of the cube and sphere whose resources could have helped assimilate data more efficiently.
We see dialogue from the movie addressing the issue of whether data can be assimilated here:
DATA: Your efforts to break the encryption code will not be successful. Nor will your attempt to assimilate me into your collective.
BORG QUEEN (OC): Brave words. I've heard them before from thousands of species across thousands of worlds ...since long before you were created. But now they are all Borg.
DATA: I am unlike any lifeform you have encountered before. The code stored in my neural net cannot be forcibly removed.
BORG QUEEN (OC): You are an imperfect being created by an imperfect being. Finding your weaknesses is only a matter of time.
the borg don't agree that data can't be assimilated. The borg queen as the expert on the borg states it just takes time.
The borg had less than a day to try to assimilate data before picard stopped them from getting any further. Although they didn't fully assimilate data as a compliant drone, this is what they were able to do:
-give data flesh capable of letting him feel sensations like pain, pleasure, cold, touch
-activate data's emotion chip against his will
-linked data to the hive mind (evidence by picard being able to hear data call out to him)
-data admitted he was tempted by the queens offer
I'd call this progress. If they had made absolutely no progress then maybe you would have some sort of rudimentary point there. But the lesson I learn from the movie is that most likely data can be assimilated if the borg were to try at their best. Data's technological level is comparable to droids in star wars so if the borg can assimilate data then the technology in star wars isn't too advanced for them to handle.
There is no evidence that the transfer of knowledge is complete. The post-assimilation merging of information certainly doesn't seem very efficient, given that the Borg are so often slow to react and respond.
there's plenty of evidence to support this:
from voyager episode "Mortal Coil"
SEVEN: None. When a drone is damaged beyond repair it is discarded, but it's memories continue to exist in the Collective consciousness. To use a human term, the Borg are immortal.
TUVOK: You are no longer part of the Collective. You are mortal now like the rest of us. Does that disturb you?
SEVEN: My connection to the Borg has been severed, but the Collective still possesses my recollections, my experiences. In a sense, I will always exist.
from "best of both worlds part 2"
PICARD [on viewscreen]: The knowledge and experience of the human Picard is part of us now. It has prepared us for all possible courses of action. Your resistance is hopeless, Number One.
RIKER: We should also see if there's some way that we can neutralise their forcefields. We've got to let them know that we can adapt too, Mister Worf. We're no longer just fighting the Borg, we're fighting the life experience they've stolen from Captain Picard. Now how the hell do we defeat an enemy that knows us better than we know ourselves?
GUINAN: And the Borg know everything he knows. It's time to throw that book away
voyager episode "dark frontier"
SEVEN: While I was regenerating, you assimilated my memories.
QUEEN: Our thoughts are one.
SEVEN: Then you already possess all of my knowledge. What more do you want?
voyager episode "drone"
SEVEN: You will not be harmed. Resistance is futile. I am providing it with instructions. It understands. The drone is probing my neural pathways. It is trying to assimilate all of my knowledge. I cannot disengage the link. Terminate interface! You must comply, you are hurting me.
This does not in any way, shape or form address my point. Your last point, furthermore, is completely baffling. It contains not a shred of logic. You might as well have said 'Bread and cheese is good, therefore meringue is better.'
sure it does. Borg nanoprobes were able to assimilate technology 500 years into the future. Voyager made sure the Collective didn't get their hands on One because they knew the Collective could assimilate it.
Bullshit. You're making the same mistake as your claim of a supposed weak spot on the drone Worf killed, when the drone had its arm chopped off and a broad blade cleaving straight into its spine. I.e., you're close to outright lying. There's no evidence for what you claim, so you feebly move the goal posts, trying to twist your observations into something, anything, that might help your cause.
picard shot a machine gun at the drones for quite a long time before they fell. It's unclear how well their armor performed since we didn't see where all the bullets hit. Imagine taking a machine gun to a police officer for about 20 seconds and then the police officer finally falls down dead. Does that prove the police officers bullet proof vest doesn't stop bullets?
In other words, I was completely correct; it was in fact you trying to pass off this situation as being analogous to Borg assimilation when the actual events involved Data inviting these nanobots into his body and opening his systems to them. The fact that he then could well have had problems throwing them out is in no way equivalent; the fact is still that he let them in.
you said there was no control allowed that he didn't permit. Once the nanoprobes entered his body he lost control. The only thing he allowed was for them to be placed on his skin, the nanoprobes did the rest.