Rebel Alliance in Star Trek

[PainRack]

Let's have a new vs with an old idea. The argument and fanfic that the Rebel Alliance could set up in trekspace, and have an utterly hidden base from which to build up and strike back at the Galactic Empire.


So, let's have at it. Just as the Maquis were being wiped out by the Dominion, a small Rebel Task force, equivalent to that which pacificed Airaam Sector appears somewhere in the Badlands. A Jem Hader ground force attacking a Maquis colony catches a Rebel ground expedition in the crossfire, the Rebels fight back, killing the Jem hader and rescuing the Maquis cell alongside. So, the Rebels now have some local contacts and resources, but along with that, have to fight to defend the Maquis colony they saved.

Travel back to the Star Wars galaxy is difficult and requires lots of energy, making resupply between the two difficult. However, the small numbers of ships that can transit the wormhole at any time makes it ideal for the Rebel Alliance, as they seek a new base after the battles of Derracote and Hoth. Soldiers could train here without fear of detection, materials and supplies built up, and hopefully, some form of industrial base to be used to fight back against the Empire. So, what form of tactics, strategies and impact would a Rebel task force do, and what would its impact be on the Dominion war?

[The Romulan Republic]

Let's have a new vs with an old idea. The argument and fanfic that the Rebel Alliance could set up in trekspace, and have an utterly hidden base from which to build up and strike back at the Galactic Empire.

So, let's have at it. Just as the Maquis were being wiped out by the Dominion, a small Rebel Task force, equivalent to that which pacificed Airaam Sector appears somewhere in the Badlands. A Jem Hader ground force attacking a Maquis colony catches a Rebel ground expedition in the crossfire, the Rebels fight back, killing the Jem hader and rescuing the Maquis cell alongside. So, the Rebels now have some local contacts and resources, but along with that, have to fight to defend the Maquis colony they saved.

Having never heard of the Airaam Sector, I'm not sure what we're dealing with. Most important would be, does this force contain capital ships, or even frigates?

Travel back to the Star Wars galaxy is difficult and requires lots of energy, making resupply between the two difficult. However, the small numbers of ships that can transit the wormhole at any time makes it ideal for the Rebel Alliance, as they seek a new base after the battles of Derracote and Hoth. Soldiers could train here without fear of detection, materials and supplies built up, and hopefully, some form of industrial base to be used to fight back against the Empire. So, what form of tactics, strategies and impact would a Rebel task force do, and what would its impact be on the Dominion war?

If the Rebels can send through enough ships to build up a major base, what's to stop the Empire sending through enough ships to destroy it? Unless the Empire doesn't know about the wormhole at all. Is that the case in this scenario?

As for the result on the Dominion War, even a few corvettes would make a huge difference. Throw in Rebel frigates or Mon Calimari ships, and the Dominion not only loses as in the original time line, but may well cease to exist as a major power. Also, though it may take some time to chart hyperspace routes to the Gamma Quadrant, if they do, the wormhole becomes strategically irrelevant.

More interesting, I think, are the political and social implications for the Federation in particular of the Marquis surviving. And the presense of the Rebels aiding them will of course disrupt the entire balance of power immensely.

[Ziggy Stardust]

Having never heard of the Airaam Sector, I'm not sure what we're dealing with. Most important would be, does this force contain capital ships, or even frigates?

Almost nothing comes up on Google for Airaam Sector, except for a reference on spacebattles.com, of all places, that mentions the presence of a Super Star Destroyer there. The only other reference I can find states that there was "a good amount" of combat there. Neither Wikipedia nor Wookiepedia acknowledge the existence of the Airaam Sector.

@PainRack: Where did you get this Airaam Sector from? Is it a fanfic, or a really obscure source? Or did you just spell the name wrong?

As for the result on the Dominion War, even a few corvettes would make a huge difference. Throw in Rebel frigates or Mon Calimari ships, and the Dominion not only loses as in the original time line, but may well cease to exist as a major power. Also, though it may take some time to chart hyperspace routes to the Gamma Quadrant, if they do, the wormhole becomes strategically irrelevant.

That assumes the Rebels will actually elect to on the offensive, as opposed to playing defense. I doubt they would want to get involved in a full-out war, even against a power that they so thoroughly outmatch. They have limited fuel and resources, why waste them? On the other hand, their Marquis allies may pressure them into committing resources into the war outside of the defense of the base specificed in the OP.

[Lord Revan]

it's been quite a while since I last played x-wing vs. tie-fighter but I seem to remember the rebel force being quite subtancial including even few Mon Cal cruisers.

try seaching Wookiepedi with "airam sector"

[Bounty]

Travel back to the Star Wars galaxy is difficult and requires lots of energy, making resupply between the two difficult.

That means the Maquis base is pretty much useless, no? The entry point should be no harder to find than a regular Rebel base, it is costly to transfer supplies, and on the opposite end is a universe stuck in its own war with no party particularly happy to get involved with an unholy alliance of Maquis and rebels running from their own demons.

[Thanas]

In which case this scenario gets resolved rather quickly as rebel cruisers bomb the Dominion into submission while a single escort frigate keeps dominion ships from getting through the wormhole.

[The Romulan Republic]

it's been quite a while since I last played x-wing vs. tie-fighter but I seem to remember the rebel force being quite subtancial including even few Mon Cal cruisers.

try seaching Wookiepedi with "airam sector"

In that case, the Dominion is in deep trouble. Presuming of course that the Rebels would indeed bother to attack it. Ziggy Stardust raised a valid point here, but I'm not certain what the Marquis could offer the Alliance that would be valuable enough to preasure them into attacking the Dominion if they didn't want to. Intel and manpower is about all they can trade. Maybe transporters, if the Rebels want them. And its not like the Marquis are overflowing with spare men and supplies to begin with. I doubt the Rebels will just leave them to their own devices, but the Marquis are not going to be able to dictate strategy to the Alliance leadership.

Hmm, I wonder if the Dominion would even attack once they get the sensor readings of the Rebel ships? The Founders aren't complete retards; if they see that victory by brute force is for all intents and purposes mathematically impossible, they'll probably try another approach. I'm seeing infilterators trying to sabotauge and break up the alliance. What success they'd meet with, I can't say.

[Batman]

There's not going to BE a full-out war, leave alone a protracted one in which fuel considerations would arise. The rebels can simply park their ships in orbit around some Maquis planet or other until they get the navigational information needed, and then ELIMINATE the Dominion.
Thanas got it down. If the Rebels get capital ships (as in RPG capital ships, i.e. frigate and up), this scenario is a done deal.

[The Romulan Republic]

There's not going to BE a full-out war, leave alone a protracted one in which fuel considerations would arise. The rebels can simply park their ships in orbit around some Maquis planet or other until they get the navigational information needed, and then ELIMINATE the Dominion.
Thanas got it down. If the Rebels get capital ships (as in RPG capital ships, i.e. frigate and up), this scenario is a done deal.

But what if the Founders realize this, and try the more subtle approach? The Alliance isn't exactly known for going around blasting minor regional powers over minor provocations, is it? As long as the Dominion does nothing too overt, it can probably survive.

The question is, are the Founders smart enough to do this, or are they going to simply go charging in and get blown to hell?

[Batman]

Um-if the Dominion doesn't do anything too overt the Dominion War DOESN'T HAPPEN and the OP's question of what impact the Maquis having Alliance support IN the Dominion War becomes moot.

[The Romulan Republic]

Um-if the Dominion doesn't do anything too overt the Dominion War DOESN'T HAPPEN and the OP's question of what impact the Maquis having Alliance support IN the Dominion War becomes moot.

Hardly. He asked what the impact would be on the war? Well, I would say that preventing it is a pretty big impact.

[Batman]

Um-if the Dominion doesn't do anything too overt the Dominion War DOESN'T HAPPEN and the OP's question of what impact the Maquis having Alliance support IN the Dominion War becomes moot.

Hardly. He asked what the impact would be on the war? Well, I would say that preventing it is a pretty big impact.

You win

[lord Martiya]

Um-if the Dominion doesn't do anything too overt the Dominion War DOESN'T HAPPEN and the OP's question of what impact the Maquis having Alliance support IN the Dominion War becomes moot.

Hardly. He asked what the impact would be on the war? Well, I would say that preventing it is a pretty big impact.

Also, everybody will wonder what's happening to the Founders: at the time they were infected by the Section 31 virus and were slowly dieing...

[The Romulan Republic]

Um-if the Dominion doesn't do anything too overt the Dominion War DOESN'T HAPPEN and the OP's question of what impact the Maquis having Alliance support IN the Dominion War becomes moot.

Hardly. He asked what the impact would be on the war? Well, I would say that preventing it is a pretty big impact.

Also, everybody will wonder what's happening to the Founders: at the time they were infected by the Section 31 virus and were slowly dieing...

At what point were they infected? If the war never happens, would they be infected at all?

[Bounty]

At what point were they infected? If the war never happens, would they be infected at all?

Late 2372, one year before the war broke out. Without a cure the Founders would be dead around 2376.

[Solauren]

The Airam Sector is the 'setting' for the X-wing vs Tie Fighter Balance of Power Expansion.

This is based on the missions post Withdrawl from the Elrood sector.
(For Further information, look up Balance of Power on Wookiepedia)

Total Starfighters (including Ship Complements)
36 X-wings (Rogue, Green, Gold Squadron)
12 Y-Wings
12 A-Wings
24 B-Wings (Green, Gold Squadron)

Support Vessels
5 Lambda Class Shuttles
2 Light Freighters
Three Medium Transports

Capital Warships
Modified Strike Cruiser Peregrine (with Immobilizer Class Gravity Well Generations)
MC80 Star Cruiser (Libery) (Source of 12 X, 12 Y and 12 A wings)
MC40A Cruiser Condor (probably the source of 12 of the B-wings)
CR90 Corvette Storm
CR90 Corvette Ignat
Mod Corvette; Tondar
Mod Corvette; Lothar


The Rebels pacified Airam Sector due to the natives working with them, and sheer blind luck.


It's too bad this was Task Force Vengeance itself that was aiding the Marqi. Now they had some serious firepower...

[Samuel]

84 starfighters and 17 larger craft? Why so few starfighters- I thought the Rebellion could churn them out like party favors, at least compared to capitol ships and given they have hyperdrize, why would they need a home base craft?

[Batman]

Yeah, because starfighters are SO great on creature comforts. How about you don't want to leave the pilots in those cramped cockpits any longer than you need to? Besides, do you know the RANGE of those fighters? No? Then how do you know they DON'T need to be carried (relatively) close to the target area to be deployed? (Incidentally, DO we know the range of FTL capable fighters?)
And just because a capital ship represents a fuckton worth of starfighters in resources doesn't mean it would be easily possible to PRODUCE that fuckton worth of starfighters instead(and that's leaving alone the question of wether that would be desirable to begin with-Stackpole wank notwithstanding by and large, starfighters are highly ineffective against capital ships). A shipyard that's designed to construct capital ships will NOT start turning out the same mass in starfighters overnight.

[Solauren]

84 starfighters and 17 larger craft? Why so few starfighters- I thought the Rebellion could churn them out like party favors, at least compared to capitol ships and given they have hyperdrize, why would they need a home base craft?

This is going by what's listed in the missions, and squadron names, as well as Wookiepedia's stats for them.

[Samuel]

Yeah, because starfighters are SO great on creature comforts. How about you don't want to leave the pilots in those cramped cockpits any longer than you need to? Besides, do you know the RANGE of those fighters? No? Then how do you know they DON'T need to be carried (relatively) close to the target area to be deployed? (Incidentally, DO we know the range of FTL capable fighters?)

The first part has absolutely nothing to do with their numbers. As for range, Luke was jaunting around in an X-wing in Episode 5 and went from Hoth to Dagobah to Bespin without refueling. If I remember Episode 6 and Empires at War, Forces of Corruption the same went for Rebel fighters which went from Sullust to Endor and then Kuat.

And just because a capital ship represents a fuckton worth of starfighters in resources doesn't mean it would be easily possible to PRODUCE that fuckton worth of starfighters instead(and that's leaving alone the question of wether that would be desirable to begin with-Stackpole wank notwithstanding by and large, starfighters are highly ineffective against capital ships). A shipyard that's designed to construct capital ships will NOT start turning out the same mass in starfighters overnight.

Starfighters probbly suck for combat. Raiding on the other hand they probably can be used effectively at.

Given the Alliance doesn't really have large numbers of shipyards, you'd expect them to have lots of units that can be produced on the ground in workshops.

[lord Martiya]

As far I know, the first batches of A-Wings were even hand-assembled.

Also, everybody will wonder what's happening to the Founders: at the time they were infected by the Section 31 virus and were slowly dieing...

At what point were they infected? If the war never happens, would they be infected at all?

Odo was infected while on Earth in 2372. At the end of the year, before the treaty between Cardassia and the Dominion, he unknownly infected the Great Link when they forced him to return, before the beginning of this scenario.

[Lord Revan]

the Jedi Delta-7 fighters had range of 150000 light years for their hyperdive (granted it was external unit rather then an inbuilt one), how ever pacifying a sector needs more then a single "straight line" jump until your fuel runs out or you have to turn back (depending what the "range" means there), but the Delta-7s had fuel and air for just 5 hours (all this from AOTC:ICS) in normal flight and I'd assume the "wing-series" craft don't have that much more, this would ofc limit the number of starfighters you can bring when operating in an area where you don't got pre-existing bases.

[open_sketchbook]

As I understand it, the Alliance uses starfighters in part due to the fact they can be manufactured for practically nothing almost anywhere. The A-Wings were built in secret across hundreds of planets and assembled for the Battle of Endor, and were extremely divergent in manufacture; I believe one pilot had a wooden dashboard on his fighter. Acquiring fighters is not an issue to the Alliance.

[Lord Revan]

As I understand it, the Alliance uses starfighters in part due to the fact they can be manufactured for practically nothing almost anywhere. The A-Wings were built in secret across hundreds of planets and assembled for the Battle of Endor, and were extremely divergent in manufacture; I believe one pilot had a wooden dashboard on his fighter. Acquiring fighters is not an issue to the Alliance.

Acquiring/producing might not be a problem, but fielding them, especially in territory where you don't have pre-existing supply bases, fighters make exelent raiders when you can supply them propperly, but without propper supply fighters are more an hinderance then an asset.

[Batman]

Yeah, because starfighters are SO great on creature comforts. How about you don't want to leave the pilots in those cramped cockpits any longer than you need to? Besides, do you know the RANGE of those fighters? No? Then how do you know they DON'T need to be carried (relatively) close to the target area to be deployed? (Incidentally, DO we know the range of FTL capable fighters?)

The first part has absolutely nothing to do with their numbers.

It wasn't meant to. It was addressing your assumption that since starfighters have hyperdrives, they wouldn't need carrier ships.

As for range, Luke was jaunting around in an X-wing in Episode 5 and went from Hoth to Dagobah to Bespin without refueling. If I remember Episode 6 and Empires at War, Forces of Corruption the same went for Rebel fighters which went from Sullust to Endor and then Kuat.

Which doesn't say beans about their range without knowing the actual DISTANCES traveled. As fighters apparently can have 6 figure LY ranges that point is obviously wrong but that doesn't change the fact that fighter cockpits are cramped and uncomfortable so you don't want to leave your pilots in them any longer than necessary.

And just because a capital ship represents a fuckton worth of starfighters in resources doesn't mean it would be easily possible to PRODUCE that fuckton worth of starfighters instead(and that's leaving alone the question of wether that would be desirable to begin with-Stackpole wank notwithstanding by and large, starfighters are highly ineffective against capital ships). A shipyard that's designed to construct capital ships will NOT start turning out the same mass in starfighters overnight.

Starfighters probbly suck for combat. Raiding on the other hand they probably can be used effectively at.
Given the Alliance doesn't really have large numbers of shipyards, you'd expect them to have lots of units that can be produced on the ground in workshops.

I was (apparently mistakenly) understanding you to mean that INSTEAD of MC-80s, Escort Frigates etc they should be producing starfighters with the shipyards they HAD. My bad.