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Metahive wrote:

Ryag Han wrote:no, i haven't thought of that, because they aren't that omnipotent. sure, they might get the resources (even so they can't just create it, that is against the conservation of energy) put it all together and solve every single engineering problem, but the i ask the question why the fuck would they, super god-like beings, have any need for that? remember that guy who killed an entire race spread over light years while light years away? really? two thousand like him? what, they need a place to congregate? lolol

Conservation of mass and energy doesn't mean much to them considering they can shrink a starship down to christmas ornament size and vice versa with a snap of the fingers. As for motivations, just to show the incredulous shmucks out there just how awesome they are? They aren't portrayed as the most modest species within Trek after all.

Also, the Dyson Sphere doesn't represent an "astronomical inaccuracy", more some sort of inexplicable feat of engineering. If you want a true astronomical mishap try the quasar that inexplicably shows up within the Milky Way galaxy in episode The Galileo Seven. Quasars, in case you don't know, are galaxy sized stellar phenomena themselves. At least the remastered episodes made it look a bit more like a real quasar instead of some indefinable lump of gas.

Also, can you change your fucking sig. Its really massive and irritating.

Ryag Han wrote:

Also, can you change your fucking sig. Its really massive and irritating.

i am just going to ignore you now

Ryag Han wrote:

Also, can you change your fucking sig. Its really massive and irritating.

i am just going to ignore you now. fucking racist.

barnest2 wrote:

Ryag Han wrote:

Also, can you change your fucking sig. Its really massive and irritating.

i am just going to ignore you now. fucking racist.

Oh, fuck you sideways.
I didn't ask you to change it because I'm racist. I asked you to change it because its nearly a fucking page long.
Okay, how about this. Can you shrink it any, have some of the lines on one line rather than breaking it all up?

Ryag Han wrote: and it is an astronomical inaccuracy. the shear amount of resources, how the sun stays in the middle

, not to mention that its somehow illuminated from the outside. [/qute]
Vee, I dunno, maybe there's a star around to do that?

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Also, can you change your fucking sig. Its really massive and irritating.
i am just going to ignore you now.

and it is an astronomical inaccuracy. the shear amount of resources, how the sun stays in the middle, not to mention that its somehow illuminated from the outside.

the shear amount of resources

how the sun stays in the middle

not to mention that its somehow illuminated from the outside

The truth hurts sometimes.

none of which have anything to do with astronomy you twit

Vee, I dunno, maybe there's a star around to do that?

Ryag Han wrote:sure they seam brake conservation of mass and energy, but that dose not mean they just break it, they most likely bypass it or, as far as we know, there's more to it than we know, and its neither.

anyways, i didn't see hundreds of spaceships full of people that are all like "oh my god, a DYSON SPHERE!" there's no one around. you might think that if they wanted to show off, they'd make it in a place and time when more people can actually see it, and NOT crash into it or be sucked into it for no apparent reason.

Another inaccuracy is the sphere should actually still be visible. Maybe not to the naked eye, but infrared sensors should have at least seen it.

The light from the sun inside never goes away. Unless it's a perfect insulator - meaning the temperature inside would constantly be rising.... didn't happen - the same power the sun puts out would eventually be radiated out by the sphere.

do i even need to explain why its nonsense?

anyways, i didn't see hundreds of spaceships full of people that are all like "oh my god, a DYSON SPHERE!" there's no one around. you might think that if they wanted to show off, they'd make it in a place and time when more people can actually see it, and NOT crash into it or be sucked into it for no apparent reason.

Destructionator XIII wrote:

Ryag Han wrote:and it is an astronomical inaccuracy. the shear amount of resources, how the sun stays in the middle, not to mention that its somehow illuminated from the outside.

Hah.

Another inaccuracy is the sphere should actually still be visible. Maybe not to the naked eye, but infrared sensors should have at least seen it.

The light from the sun inside never goes away. Unless it's a perfect insulator - meaning the temperature inside would constantly be rising.... didn't happen - the same power the sun puts out would eventually be radiated out by the sphere.


So ultimately the dyson sphere is just as "bright" as the sun inside, just with a different kind of emission. The sensors should have seen it, regardless of gravity.

Yes, please explain. We are clearly so very inferior to you, O Lord of the Forum Debates!

Ryag Han wrote:

Yes, please explain. We are clearly so very inferior to you, O Lord of the Forum Debates!

stars move along the galaxy. the sun has a velocity of 220 km/s around the galactic core. the sphere would need the same speed to keep the star in the middle, otherwise gravity would be bigger on one side and smaller on the other side of the superstructure, and you get, a large, pretty hole in your Dyson sphere.

How does the sun stay in the middle of the earth's orbit?....

If we accept it was the act of an omnipotent being, I think we can safely assume they created the resources. After all, when Q shrinks the enterprise, where does the rest of the ship go? And where do the resources come from when he brings it back?

Bad lighting department? But seriously, how much light would hit it from the stars around it?

barnest2 wrote:

Ryag Han wrote:

Yes, please explain. We are clearly so very inferior to you, O Lord of the Forum Debates!

stars move along the galaxy. the sun has a velocity of 220 km/s around the galactic core. the sphere would need the same speed to keep the star in the middle, otherwise gravity would be bigger on one side and smaller on the other side of the superstructure, and you get, a large, pretty hole in your Dyson sphere.

Would you though? if the Dyson sphere was constructed essentially in the orbit of a sun (as it takes up an entire orbital path) would the constructor not already be travelling at those speeds as the sphere is constructed. Therefore when it is completed, the sun and the sphere will be travelling at equal speeds etc etc, and no big hole appears?

Ryag Han wrote:

barnest2 wrote:
Would you though? if the Dyson sphere was constructed essentially in the orbit of a sun (as it takes up an entire orbital path) would the constructor not already be travelling at those speeds as the sphere is constructed. Therefore when it is completed, the sun and the sphere will be travelling at equal speeds etc etc, and no big hole appears?

that's a interesting idea, but as they would build more of it, the gravity from the sun would disturb its orbit, and they'd be forced to constantly use energy to keep it in orbit.

Metahive wrote:And even if he does, how's TNG crappier than ENT just for featuring a Dyson Sphere? I don't see the connection. To enjoy escapist sci-fi you already have to supress quite a bit of disbelief, but ENT wasn't exactly any "harder" than TNG.

barnest 2 wrote: Was that at me or him?

Ryag Han wrote:

none of which have anything to do with astronomy you twit

well that shows just how uninformed you are. resources=good luck finding and mining them. sun in the middle..do i even need to explain why its nonsense?

You not only have to explain why this is nonsense, you have to explain what any of that has to do with bad astronomy.

Vee, I dunno, maybe there's a star around to do that?

well, and where do we ever hear of it, see it or otherwise? im tired of speculations.

barnest2 wrote:

Ryag Han wrote:

barnest2 wrote:
Would you though? if the Dyson sphere was constructed essentially in the orbit of a sun (as it takes up an entire orbital path) would the constructor not already be travelling at those speeds as the sphere is constructed. Therefore when it is completed, the sun and the sphere will be travelling at equal speeds etc etc, and no big hole appears?

that's a interesting idea, but as they would build more of it, the gravity from the sun would disturb its orbit, and they'd be forced to constantly use energy to keep it in orbit.

What if, and its a big if, you constructed what are essentially a series of rings. You can either do this in a distant orbit and then boost them in, or build it up a ring at a time, so that it starts out as essentially a Niven ring, and then is slowly built up into a dyson sphere?

(also thanks Destuct. However, even managing it for a few million years is awesome)

Ryag Han wrote: then it raises the question: why make it complete solid?
something like this would be more tangible