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I couldn't possibly compete with the wonderful gifts PeZookia gave to Coyote's kids, so I didn't even try with anything physical. So I gave them the gift of learning, instead.

And for Coyote, consider that statue a gift from me to you. One of joy...and my condolences.

Oh yes, and I'll be hanging around Canissia for a few days, on my very first State Visit (seperate from my various conference attendences). So Coyote, if you want to talk about anything with me face to face, feel free to do so over the next four "days" (we won't let matters of state intrude on my gift presenation, however).

The CLIT has either formal or informal orgs in many nations, as I said. But of course if they can go formal, which I presumed they can since your nation is liberal, they do. Since there's no specific "rise and lobby in the clergy ranks" issue in your nation unlike Byzantium which is secular but still the Church has strong influence over society, in Canissia they will just be CLIT as well.

I'm getting worried about Tian Xian numerous undocumented launches, sending dozens of rockets off without informing the international world what exactly your launching into space? Not a happy situation.

Which leads me to believe I must invest time, effort, and resources in order to ensure the world knows what he's up to.

Undocumented rocket launches are not a good idea. We announce everything we do at White Sands, as does Lonestar, and everything launched from Atlantis under-goes inspection, but over here we have Beowulf tossing possible ICBM's off and not saying a thing?

Had I had more reliable internet access Beowulf I likley would have asked Sheppard to nuke your country the first time you shot a rocket into space without informing the international community what it was for.

Damn lan-cafe's

Mr Bean wrote:I'm getting worried about Tian Xian numerous undocumented launches, sending dozens of rockets off without informing the international world what exactly your launching into space? Not a happy situation.

Which leads me to believe I must invest time, effort, and resources in order to ensure the world knows what he's up to.

Undocumented rocket launches are not a good idea. We announce everything we do at White Sands, as does Lonestar, and everything launched from Atlantis under-goes inspection, but over here we have Beowulf tossing possible ICBM's off and not saying a thing?

Had I had more reliable internet access Beowulf I likley would have asked Sheppard to nuke your country the first time you shot a rocket into space without informing the international community what it was for.

Damn lan-cafe's

None of them have reached orbit. None of them in fact, have left the atmosphere. It's a tall order to claim that doing tests of a secret rocket of some sort or another is somehow a deed worthy of being nuked (and causing the entire world to go up in flames, incidentally).

If you're seriously wondering, they're hypersonic vehicle tests.

Beowulf wrote:
None of them have reached orbit. None of them in fact, have left the atmosphere. It's a tall order to claim that doing tests of a secret rocket of some sort or another is somehow a deed worthy of being nuked (and causing the entire world to go up in flames, incidentally).

If you're seriously wondering, they're hypersonic vehicle tests.

The way you wrote it made it sound as if your tossing Spy-Satellites or ICBM mock ups into ELEO orbits.

Beowulf wrote:If you're seriously wondering, they're hypersonic vehicle tests.

Ohhh, like the recent Australian scramjet test? Cool.

Speaking of which, I'm SOL on pricing for S-400's I've not been able to find one shred of fact on how much a full system would cost me.


And by full System, assuming I'm getting the plans from Sheppard, then establishing a factory to build them.

Cost of Factory?
Cost of Each Missile?
Cost Launcher?
Cost of Radar?
Total Cost Package for one truck, one radar and a standard missile load out?

All I have are old memories and claims of the S-400 as being the best dual use AA and ABM in existence. And I want to get into building them in a large way.

Shep, retcon that.

Don't put foreign policy decisions into my charecter's mouth ever again.

Lonestar wrote:Shep, retcon that.

Don't put foreign policy decisions into my charecter's mouth ever again.

Sorry about that; I didn't think it would be that much of a major foreign policy decision to exchange information regarding the goddamn libertopians and how many guns they have.

DarthShady wrote:Guys whats your stand on the selling of nukes to FUN nations?

The LSR does not pass on WMD to anyone outside of the MESS.

Lonestar wrote:

DarthShady wrote:Guys whats your stand on the selling of nukes to FUN nations?

The LSR does not pass on WMD to anyone outside of the MESS.

Thats understandable, besides i gave up on nukes.

Coyote wrote:Heh-- I was, in fact, thinking of using the CLIT from Jay & Silent Bob movie fame-- Coalition for the Liberation of Itinerant Tree-dwellers. I was thinking that we haven't had any animal-rights loonies attack yet...

There is still LABIA: Liberate Apes Before Imprisoning Apes...

Well, we can have the lesbian-rights CLIT and the animal-rights CLIT be at odds with each other, kinda like the relationship between the pedophiles and the Marlon Brando lookalikes in "Cartman Joins NAMBLA."

You know, the Supreme Leader's website really makes him look nice and cool

Mr Bean wrote:Speaking of which, I'm SOL on pricing for S-400's I've not been able to find one shred of fact on how much a full system would cost me.


And by full System, assuming I'm getting the plans from Sheppard, then establishing a factory to build them.

Cost of Factory?
Cost of Each Missile?
Cost Launcher?
Cost of Radar?
Total Cost Package for one truck, one radar and a standard missile load out?

All I have are old memories and claims of the S-400 as being the best dual use AA and ABM in existence. And I want to get into building them in a large way.

Say Shep, can I have the plans as well? I'll do the construction at my own munition factories.

So I'm building and selling what are basically the F100 frigates from Spain. I have about 50,000 tons I can build with for small boys, so I can build a maximum of 8 per 6 months. Since I'm only building 2 a year (to a total number of 18) I should be able to accomodate any orders. I'd say they're a good addition to the Clyde OPVs, and could serve as flagships and/or the heavy hitters of anti-pirate units. They're probably out of range for the Duchys, unless you want to blow most of your yearly budget on one, but they should be addordable for Principalities on up. And they're more capable than the Halifaxs we were gifted with, so if anyone is looking to modernize now is the time. :)

RogueIce wrote:So I'm building and selling what are basically the F100 frigates from Spain. I have about 50,000 tons I can build with for small boys, so I can build a maximum of 8 per 6 months. Since I'm only building 2 a year (to a total number of 18) I should be able to accomodate any orders. I'd say they're a good addition to the Clyde OPVs, and could serve as flagships and/or the heavy hitters of anti-pirate units. They're probably out of range for the Duchys, unless you want to blow most of your yearly budget on one, but they should be addordable for Principalities on up. And they're more capable than the Halifaxs we were gifted with, so if anyone is looking to modernize now is the time. :)

After thinking it over, 650 million is my internal/MESS price. Export is $USD 700 million. Gotta turn a profit somewhere. Considering they're almost like a Burke-lite (which would be about USD$1.1 billion) that's a good deal.

And of course, as my new frigates come online I'll be looking to sell off the old ones. Since they were Q-given, like those F/A-18s, I can make you a good deal. If I really like you and you're a Duchy I might even make you great deal. ;)

I just want to reassure everyone that ProTec's and Alexander's attacks are targetted against someone within Alexander's own territory, and evidence of the warlord Novik's murderous ways can be provided. In fact, Alexander may have someone conduct a News Conference on the matter.

RogueIce wrote:After thinking it over, 650 million is my internal/MESS price. Export is $USD 700 million. Gotta turn a profit somewhere. Considering they're almost like a Burke-lite (which would be about USD$1.1 billion) that's a good deal.

How much will it cost if I build these frigates at my own docks under license? I'm considering Frigates, and looking to maybe begin a program of replacement starting FY2011 or FY2012, depending on how much money I have lying around.

Raj your writing against grain, the Iron General's problem's have not been related to shitty trained troops, his problem is his people are armed with everything you would expect from mountain-troops. IE No armor, no IFV's but technicals, he has RPG's but he's not even fully equipped with AK's. He has troops round around with World War I/II equivalent single-shot carbine rifles. Yes they are well trained, but you put up a hundred guys armed with K98's, SKS,, AK-47's, M14's, and whatever else they can scrounge up, VS a hundred guys armed only AK-47's and RPK MG support with attached mortar's and even if they are well trained they are going to have issues.

Which is also why he's been eager to secure funding and arms from international sources is he has a hell of a time securing new weapons, he has enough to keep his people armed.

Mr Bean wrote:Raj your writing against grain, the Iron General's problem's have not been related to shitty trained troops, his problem is his people are armed with everything you would expect from mountain-troops. IE No armor, no IFV's but technicals, he has RPG's but he's not even fully equipped with AK's. He has troops round around with World War I/II equivalent single-shot carbine rifles. Yes they are well trained, but you put up a hundred guys armed with K98's, SKS,, AK-47's, M14's, and whatever else they can scrounge up, VS a hundred guys armed only AK-47's and RPK MG support with attached mortar's and even if they are well trained they are going to have issues.

Which is also why he's been eager to secure funding and arms from international sources is he has a hell of a time securing new weapons, he has enough to keep his people armed.

Well, my post could probably still stand. His Best troops probably required very little in training, mainly just on the helicopters and some more advanced Special Forces type training. But my men really haven't had much time to work with them as yet, so tthey would have had to be competent to begin with. And those rumours of ProTec men spearheading the assault may be looking more accurate all the time, if not due to their training, then due to their better equipment.

Alexander should be able to purchase arms, he has mineral wealth, so he could at least buy small arms on the black market in exchange for gold and conflict diamonds right? That would be obscenely expensive though, so just getting helicopters from ProTec would be a huge increease in capabilty for Alexander's forces.

Edit: I've edited the post detailing the operatrion a little bit so The Iron Guard is acting more on its own.

Raj Ahten wrote:
Alexander should be able to purchase arms, he has mineral wealth, so he could at least buy small arms on the black market in exchange for gold and conflict diamonds right? That would be obscenely expensive though, so just getting helicopters from ProTec would be a huge increease in capabilty for Alexander's forces.

From who? The Mess? OMSK would react, FUN? Mess and OMSK would react, OMSK? Mess would react. Saddamstain? Is funding his enemy, the chance of him buying weapons are non-existent.


Seriously who can he buy from?

Seriously who can he buy from?

From Libertian corruption. There are light armed choppers in Libertia and some prop aircraft.

EDIT: this has been going for some time, but I'd like to re-iterate that YKM Vertolet (Yakovlev-Kamov-Mil) is ready to supply New Patria with helicopters.

If New Patria's military is more leaning towards NATO standards, of course my bid is meaningless, but in case it is more leaning towards WARPAC standards which some nations are, at least in parts of their militaries, it would make hell lot of sense.

How is Shep's ABM Beard missiles faring? Cause, really, we cannot have a missile gap! They (the MESS) have got THAADs and SLAMRAAMS and SPAMRAAMS and THUDS and CLUDS and so on and so forths already!

Also, Shroomania shall have its own version of the CLIT.

The WHORE.

World

Homosexual

Order

for

Rights

and

Equality!

oh and the bear republic has just unleashed their computer experts on this unsuspecting new world...

oh and they are:

"Professor M.": Short for Moriarity, an expert in analyzing all details, something of an Aspergers case.
"Sugar Crush": one of those guys with those over drive metabolisms. very hyperactive, unless he's going through a low glucose crash.
"Star": blonde math genius, who dyes her hair pink, designs her own encryption and ciphers in her free time.
"Roxx": likes punk music, practical jokes, and sharing music files.
"Shiela": hyper sensitive to light, possibly the result of her abuse of legal amphetamines (note the extra large coffee cups), very good at psycho-analyzing or cracking people's passwords.

Bear, how would you like working together to create stratospheric satellite airships?