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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:A question to ask: I know you FTO dudes are busy having fun persecuting the random rabble in Frequesue, but.... how the fuck do you plan to pay for all that war you guys are prosecuting? It's surely going to be a dent on your economies, particularly trade and investment. Who is going to invest if you guys keep running units from one end to the other?

That is a problem. I'm going to be running low on munitions and such shortly, and the economy might hit the toilet as well. Just buying all the bombs I need and keeping up with maintenance on my jets is going to be a nightmare.

It does seem that a hell of a lot is coming to a head at once. I was just planning on Operation Stabilizer, which is a long overdue effort to stabilize the CFR. (I was geting tired of cross border raids and such and decided to end the status quoe). I wasn't planning on fighting two wars up by Coilerburg in quick succesion concurrently with that operation though.

Karmic Knight wrote:I'm trying my damnedest not to be in more than one war at once, my plate is full with my part of Operation Stabilizer and the Settlement. Feel free to think of the Vineyards when you want to invest economically in the future of Frequesue.

The Vineyards, we're stable and our leader is a pacifist, so you know we can be trusted with your money, I mean, investments.

That assumes your people can get by the "anti-Colonial/Great/Major Power" attitude that will allow investment. No Byzantine company wants to invest, beyond doing deals with local companies, if it's going to lead to mass protests against foreign "interference".

Raj Ahten wrote:That is a problem. I'm going to be running low on munitions and such shortly, and the economy might hit the toilet as well. Just buying all the bombs I need and keeping up with maintenance on my jets is going to be a nightmare.

It does seem that a hell of a lot is coming to a head at once. I was just planning on Operation Stabilizer, which is a long overdue effort to stabilize the CFR. (I was geting tired of cross border raids and such and decided to end the status quoe). I wasn't planning on fighting two wars up by Coilerburg in quick succesion concurrently with that operation though.

Mayhaps try to cool the "random act of war of the week"? I predict with a surety that you will be hit by an economic recession, and parliament subject to a vote of no-confidence.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:That assumes your people can get by the "anti-Colonial/Great/Major Power" attitude that will allow investment. No Byzantine company wants to invest, beyond doing deals with local companies, if it's going to lead to mass protests against foreign "interference".

Hey, the Vineyards just don't like it when a large military presence is placed within the vicinity of our country, our crazy anti-anyone-off-Continent people are largely ignored, as they are the same people who recently had 90% of their party impeached from both our Ministry of Finance and our Senate. (Embezzlement and Fraud/Something, I'll have to look it up)

The Vineyards want to work together with the 'Great Powers' to ensure that everyone is happy and no one goes a-county-invadin'. We like neutrality, and being committed to a policy that demands confrontation doesn't fit with neutrality.

There's constant wars in Frequesque, which would mean the GDP of those nations will soon drop to what's Africa like.

Seriously, isn't it too much war? What would you do if the enemy you pick suddenly is a little too much for you to handle, financially as well as militarily? (COIN operations are costly unless run in a very invader-friendly environment.. which doesn't seem to be the case).

Karmic Knight wrote:Hey, the Vineyards just don't like it when a large military presence is placed within the vicinity of our country, our crazy anti-anyone-off-Continent people are largely ignored, as they are the same people who recently had 90% of their party impeached from both our Ministry of Finance and our Senate. (Embezzlement and Fraud/Something, I'll have to look it up)

The Vineyards want to work together with the 'Great Powers' to ensure that everyone is happy and no one goes a-county-invadin'. We like neutrality, and being committed to a policy that demands confrontation doesn't fit with neutrality.

Ah ok. Because I was basing off this anti-colonial attitude on nations with a known anti-foreign interference sort of thing. Take India for example, they severely dislike foreign investment in certain areas, like heavy industries and so forth.

Stas Bush wrote:There's constant wars in Frequesque, which would mean the GDP of those nations will soon drop to what's Africa like.

Seriously, isn't it too much war? What would you do if the enemy you pick suddenly is a little too much for you to handle, financially as well as militarily? (COIN operations are costly unless run in a very invader-friendly environment.. which doesn't seem to be the case).

I wasn't planning on quite this level of constant warfare. . (Let's see we have the CFR situation, Minoy could still do something nasty and now Omango and their friend are jumping in. Not to mention the Great power tensions in the South.) I'm seriously considering just abondoning operation Stabilizer and going back to the status Quoe: I train a militia to keep my border secure and give a thumbs up to what ever faction comes out on top in the CFR.

Seriously, the whole situation in Frequesque is like Africa in the 70's with like 20 different wars happening at once, and I'm just like "Eh, bleh, who gives a fuck who wins, they'll all be AK-wielding mobs by the time it's over anyway."

Raj Ahten wrote:

Stas Bush wrote:There's constant wars in Frequesque, which would mean the GDP of those nations will soon drop to what's Africa like.

Seriously, isn't it too much war? What would you do if the enemy you pick suddenly is a little too much for you to handle, financially as well as militarily? (COIN operations are costly unless run in a very invader-friendly environment.. which doesn't seem to be the case).

I wasn't planning on quite this level of constant warfare. . (Let's see we have the CFR situation, Minoy could still do something nasty and now Omango and their friend are jumping in. Not to mention the Great power tensions in the South.) I'm seriously considering just abondoning operation Stabilizer and going back to the status Quoe: I train a militia to keep my border secure and give a thumbs up to what ever faction comes out on top in the CFR.

Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about Minoy if I were you. I wrote my own ending to that tale, and they've basically fallen into anarchy after you and Coiler bombed them back to the Stone Age. Most of their military either went to Sabika, went native in the CFR, or just died; Gino Weinberg has dominion over what little remains. Does that sound good?

To be fair to the other CFR factions, though, more than two-thirds of Weinberg's forces are screaming hordes with up-armored Toyotas, and those few planes and choppers are going to fall apart soon unless he finds some skilled technicians fast. If you want him to get his ass kicked, that's good; if you want him to come on top in the CFR and Minoy, that's good too. It all depends.

To any and all Frequesque nations which may have such a need, Imperial Japanistan has massive stockpiles of low technology weapons of all sorts in its reserve stockpiles, along with munitions and spare parts. Japanistani would be happy to make bulk sales for immediate delivery to replenish war expenditures. As a special deal Mitsubombishi Heavy Industry Consolidated will offer a full battalion set of eighteen Type 81 122mm rocket launchers with ten loads of ammunition for only ten million dollars. The ammunition set has six normal HE-FRAG loads, two anti armor cluster bomblet loads and two white phosphorous incendiary cluster bomblet loads, ideal for vengeful terror bombardments and smoke screens. By two now and Mitsubombishi will also throw in a load of forty minelet dispensing rockets.

Artillery shells by the thousand, rifle and machine gun cartridges by the hundred thousand and man portable surface to air missiles are also among the many items available for immediate delivery by air or sea.

Oh Great, less than a year in and WWIII is already beginning.

Zor

At least nobody has nukes this time. :/

Czechmate wrote:At least nobody has nukes this time. :/

Plenty of chemical/biological weapons though.

Am I the only one who thinks that what Arik/Marina did was horribly immoral and also, unnecessary?

It's not like we suffered from a shortage of space exploration funds...

I am totally unsurprised by amoral behavior on Marina's part. Arik, though...

Almost surprised she didn't bother going with the incredibly amoral IRT

phongn wrote:Almost surprised she didn't bother going with the incredibly amoral IRT

Apparently, Arik will keep quiet about this

CSR Army OOB*
* - only mechanized units for the most part. Infantry divisions, small spetznaz units, etc. are all listed in "VDV, reserve and other units".

Based on remaining human strength (after deduction of Airforce, Navy, etc. - 300,000), there are around 3 general Armies which include a total of around 12 infantry divisions - of them 1 army is a "paper" army created for Homeland Defense out of reservists. Additionally, there are 2 Naval infantry divisions which are located in Severomorsk and Rovno respectively.

The Guards First Tank Army is mostly comprised of well-trained, professional forces based around the Border of CSR and USSR and can be deployed to Byzantium via railway.

PeZook wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that what Arik/Marina did was horribly immoral and also, unnecessary?

It's not like we suffered from a shortage of space exploration funds...

I'm a 635 year old vampire who has been fighting a losing battle to preserve Earth's civilization in the face of global warming for more than half a millennium and you expect me to come up with a plan that wasn't immoral? That said, you can blame Arik, but he's operating under the basic fear that the Shepponuker is going to blow his top again and if he can't use nukes, seed the world with super-ebola or something and now you've got the lives of tens of millions of people in your hands and you need to at least get some kind of lifeboat up to sustain this civilization if it gets released, etc.

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: I'm a 635 year old vampire who has been fighting a losing battle to preserve Earth's civilization in the face of global warming for more than half a millennium and you expect me to come up with a plan that wasn't immoral? That said, you can blame Arik, but he's operating under the basic fear that the Shepponuker is going to blow his top again and if he can't use nukes, seed the world with super-ebola or something and now you've got the lives of tens of millions of people in your hands and you need to at least get some kind of lifeboat up to sustain this civilization if it gets released, etc.

You kinda chose a wrong time, though. No amount of money will significantly accelerate development at this stage, since we're playing around with the first-ever liquid fuelled orbital rocket. We're basically limited by development times already.

All it will do is make people panic and scream for governments to do somethingohmygod do SOMETHING!!!! and then they'll see how we're launching a rocket with a chimpanzee on top and scream "What the fuck is this shit?!" and demand space lasers and defensive missiles pointed at the sky, at an enemy who will never come.

When the time comes to secure the truly huge investment into space infrastructure, into building industry so that we can expand and prosper outside the gravity well, they people will have already forgotten about the "space invasion".

PeZook wrote:

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: I'm a 635 year old vampire who has been fighting a losing battle to preserve Earth's civilization in the face of global warming for more than half a millennium and you expect me to come up with a plan that wasn't immoral? That said, you can blame Arik, but he's operating under the basic fear that the Shepponuker is going to blow his top again and if he can't use nukes, seed the world with super-ebola or something and now you've got the lives of tens of millions of people in your hands and you need to at least get some kind of lifeboat up to sustain this civilization if it gets released, etc.

You kinda chose a wrong time, though. No amount of money will significantly accelerate development at this stage, since we're playing around with the first-ever liquid fuelled orbital rocket. We're basically limited by development times already.

All it will do is make people panic and scream for governments to do somethingohmygod do SOMETHING!!!! and then they'll see how we're launching a rocket with a chimpanzee on top and scream "What the fuck is this shit?!" and demand space lasers and defensive missiles pointed at the sky, at an enemy who will never come.

When the time comes to secure the truly huge investment into space infrastructure, into building industry so that we can expand and prosper outside the gravity well, they people will have already forgotten about the "space invasion".

Tsk-tsk-tsk. I can repeat as many times as necessary, and anyway, this is your chance to imitate the Second Reich's Naval Laws--use scare tactics to perpetually make part of your budget devoted to space exploration (a huge part), which future legislators would have to specifically repeal. You haven't been reading enough history on parliamentary procedures--fixed future expenditures by special law make life soo much more fun. But parliaments almost never pass them, because it takes power away from future parliaments. So, you terrify everyone, and then permanently lock in huge parts of your budgets as devoted to space exploration.

That's what Arik is going to do anyway. And Lonestar, and probably now Phong.

Huh. I suppose if you put it in this way...

Anyway, it's not like we're murdering anyone. Lonestar conversely is engaged in terminal human experimentation. Think about what that says about his character....

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: That's what Arik is going to do anyway. And Lonestar, and probably now Phong.

Tonkin Telephone and Telegraph's research arm is about to get a massive boost in funding (a long with a lot of other agencies)

phongn wrote:Anyways - MESS folk, the IRT is offering use of their high-speed transports to move around people as needed - it's currently based in one of the Northeast Velerian nations since your local airfields are all mined and wrecked. You can probably use a smaller aircraft to transfer the patients and from there to an isolation ward and research facility ... like a BSL4 facility.

[ How'd we know? We had spies, and the outbreak was so widespread as not to be really concealable since Marina didn't just target military bases. Also, SIGINT showed a whole lot of traffic between your biowar/defense agencies so we knew something was up ]

Heh. Yes, but remember, the MESS is not going to share something like this with an outside party, especially one that was viewed with suspicion from previous game.

And besides, the harbors and airports are at least partially cleared by now, the airfield at Camp Dog is 100% operational, and as far as Canissia is concerned, there were never any interruptions in airlift services because our zeppelins need no runways to operate at all.

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Anyway, it's not like we're murdering anyone. Lonestar conversely is engaged in terminal human experimentation. Think about what that says about his character....

Still more moral than simply rounding up homeless people.