More Trektardism

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-11-16 06:36pm

I liked the dalek one. Someone actually used an argument in trekkie terms (as in no numbers, dialogue; they could destroy the universe and have an elite squad leave it) and he just... defaulted to

You know, that scenario completely negates the whole point of the match up, so they aren't gonna do that...unless you want to say daleks are idiots.

They can acknowledge it, but not process it into the simple fact that if the best you can possibly hope for in a war is getting the enemy so pissed off that he wipes you out, you are going to lose. No ifs, no buts.

I like the Culture one. It's vaguely tragic that the Culture-debater has to pull out the 'Banks says there's no time travel in this universe' thing. As opposed to the sheer uselessness of most Trek Time travel, or the fact that ST has never gone far back enough to find a Culture they could beat. Never mind that with the Culture's preffered MO, they'd never even know they were being interfered with. And of course, the UFP are going to instantly re-develop phase cloaks in order to have a shitty effort at trying to make an equivalance to the Culture's 'high ground' hyperspace. Comedy gold.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-11-16 06:38pm

white_rabbit wrote: Shot with a disrupter (set to max to overload his primative shield), while his baneblade falls to the same.

He's got a really shiny hat, though, they'd want to take it off him after manly combat.

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2007-11-16 07:18pm

TC Pilot wrote: I'm not even sure if I should bother responding to that.

No need to worry, I just responded to that for you.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-11-16 11:31pm

Typhonis 1 wrote: The Klingon Empire decides to invade Armnageddon instead of the Orks?

For real, no joke, this actually happened: I lol'd.

Hard.

Darth Ruinus · Post by **Darth Ruinus** » 2007-11-17 01:36am

Shit, so from what I remember, according to the Trektards, Star Wars humans can:

1- Withstand being in a cramped space for 6 to 12 hours and be just as ready for a massive fleet engagement as a man who just go into the cockpit of his fighter

2- Withstand having their entire body set aflame, then lying there, right next to a fucking river of lava for hours

3- be born with metal spines

Is this about right?

So who is to say that a Star Wars human cant just take a full phaser blast to the face and say "that all you got bitch?"

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-11-17 01:56am

Yeah, thats it. Seems a little bit self-defeating, doesn't it.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2007-11-17 05:33am

I love the way they selectively ignore evidence. Palpatine's quick jaunt from Corsucant to Mustafar in ROTS? Gone. The fact that the Enterprises dish was charged with anti-protons when Worf shoots it with the phaser rifle? Handwaved away. Evidence that void shields protect against kinetic impacts such as asteroids, short range missiles, macro cannons, and mass drivers (ordinance probably penetrates by means of having low relative velocity and specialized energy screens [Sabbat Martyr]? Ignored along with the megaton range point defence of Imperial warships.

What a bunch of dishonest cocksuckers.

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-11-17 06:06am

Honestly, a "who would win" debate really isn't for them. Trek is not designed to show off fictional weaponary prowess, it's about...

What the fuck is it about?

Anyway, it would be like asking if Serenity could beat the Falcon in a race...

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2007-11-17 07:17am

Zablorg wrote:Honestly, a "who would win" debate really isn't for them. Trek is not designed to show off fictional weaponary prowess, it's about...

What the fuck is it about?

Anyway, it would be like asking if Serenity could beat the Falcon in a race...

I guess it's about showing off their (supposetly) superior morality cock (at least that's my impression).

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2007-11-17 08:09am

Well if anyone wants some data for the Klingons invade Armageddon debate. I have a copy of Epic Armageddon here. Also it disproves JMS assertaion that the Empire doesn`t use orbital support.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2007-11-17 09:14am

Out of interest I checked some of their threads. They are actually saying a Bath'leth or however you spell it is a practical weapon with some advantages over a broad sword. Ooookaay.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-17 10:01am

mr friendly guy wrote:Out of interest I checked some of their threads. They are actually saying a Bath'leth or however you spell it is a practical weapon with some advantages over a broad sword. Ooookaay.

Link?

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-17 10:29am

Ghetto edit.

I have managed to get my next response up our dear friend Spock. It seems he's reached new levels of lunacy, now denying G-canon on screen visuals as "nothing" and dismissing a cited quote from Roddenberry himself saying that Stardates are random. Man, this guy would make Darkstar proud.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-11-17 10:39am

mr friendly guy wrote:Out of interest I checked some of their threads. They are actually saying a Bath'leth or however you spell it is a practical weapon with some advantages over a broad sword. Ooookaay.

Well... It might be lighter.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-11-17 10:44am

Zablorg wrote:Honestly, a "who would win" debate really isn't for them. Trek is not designed to show off fictional weaponary prowess, it's about...

What the fuck is it about?

TOS was a corny space adventure, but it was fun.
TNG was about lecturing us on how we should all behave.
DS9 was a Babylon5 rip-off, but it was mostly about milking the cash cow.
VOY was a Battlestar Galactica rip-off, but it was mostly about milking the cash cow.
ENT was purely milking the cash cow.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-11-17 11:41am

TC Pilot wrote:JMSpock's really going off the deep end these days:

Lord_Vespasian: Actually prove the trip from Sullust to Endor took six to twelve hours.

JMSpock: Prove? You're talking as if this isn't fiction.

I'm not even sure if I should bother responding to that.

Among other things, JMSpock seems to be trying to explain that Vader would tell Palpatime's secretary that Luke has come in voluntarily and would put him in a holding cell until Palpatine gets the message

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-11-17 01:31pm

That's not quite as hilarious as the "the Emperor may like to sleep late" excuse.

[R_H] · Post by **[R_H]** » 2007-11-17 02:04pm

TC Pilot wrote:That's not quite as hilarious as the "the Emperor may like to sleep late" excuse.

They actually tried to justify their claim with that?

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-11-17 04:55pm

TC Pilot wrote:That's not quite as hilarious as the "the Emperor may like to sleep late" excuse.

That is without a doubt the funniest thing I have heard in six months.

You know they have lost when they have been reduced to debating a Sith Lord's sleeping habits.

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-11-17 05:21pm

And according to the Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary, Palpatine hasn't slept since when he murdered Plagieus.

And what does JMSpock do? He cuts out the everything after I went "ROFLMAO!" and says "I take it you have no counter-argument."

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2007-11-17 07:00pm

Aratech wrote:
mr friendly guy wrote:Out of interest I checked some of their threads. They are actually saying a Bath'leth or however you spell it is a practical weapon with some advantages over a broad sword. Ooookaay.
Link?

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=597

Its essentially the Doctor (from Doctor Who) vs Worf, where Worf gets his Klingon weapons while the Doctor gets a broadsword. I believe its near the end, so try page 3 and 4 of that thread.

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-11-17 07:19pm

Well, Spock's degenerating into Stewart Davies. It's pretty much come down to him ignoring my post, saying the same thing, and me saying "Where is your evidence, Spock?"

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-11-17 07:27pm

mr friendly guy wrote:
Aratech wrote:
mr friendly guy wrote:Out of interest I checked some of their threads. They are actually saying a Bath'leth or however you spell it is a practical weapon with some advantages over a broad sword. Ooookaay.
Link?
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=597

Its essentially the Doctor (from Doctor Who) vs Worf, where Worf gets his Klingon weapons while the Doctor gets a broadsword. I believe its near the end, so try page 3 and 4 of that thread.

Let's see someone wielding a broadsword get taken down by a 30-something pregnant woman, as opposed to someone wielding a bat'leth.

Cyborg Stan · Post by **Cyborg Stan** » 2007-11-17 08:41pm

What I find amusing is the argument that the bat'leth found some endorsement in Korean martial arts as a competition weapon. Okay, like this compares to a design that's been used by multiple cultures for centuries to kill people.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2007-11-17 09:03pm

mr friendly guy wrote:Out of interest I checked some of their threads. They are actually saying a Bath'leth or however you spell it is a practical weapon with some advantages over a broad sword. Ooookaay.

Speaking as someone who owns one, maybe if you narrow the grip by at least an inch, and then round the sucker. As it is, it would make a lovely training tool for Yuuzhan Vong children, because trying to wield one of those things freaking hurts.