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PeZook wrote:

DarthShady wrote: History of our world has shown that war is a very likely possibility and i only want a way to protect my people.Opinions?

Uh...how, exactly, did the history of our world show that? So far we've managed to resolve our conflicts peacefully, and they were some serious ones.

Personally, I don't think it's a good idea. People still remember how you blew up Mangkan pharma plants ; I think the MESS is going to object to selling you nukes.

That event with Mangka was in the beginning of this game, when i wasn't playing seriously. We may have resolved most of our conflicts so far peacefully, but can anyone guarantee that war can always be avoided. What i am trying to say is that OMSK and MESS are both nuclear powers and in the case of war the FUN has no way to retaliate. My only plan with nukes is to defend my self and the rest of the FUN in case of nuclear war. Nukes are a great defense, deterrents and thats my only use for them.

DarthShady wrote: That event with Mangka was in the beginning of this game, when i wasn't playing seriously. We may have resolved most of our conflicts so far peacefully, but can anyone guarantee that war can always be avoided. What i am trying to say is that OMSK and MESS are both nuclear powers and in the case of war the FUN has no way to retaliate. My only plan with nukes is to defend my self and the rest of the FUN in case of nuclear war. Nukes are a great defense, deterrents and thats my only use for them.

Uh...what, exactly, is your strategic plan for nuke use?

Buy one warhead and hope that in case of war, it will be enough to deter the MESS (or OMSK) from attacking the FUN?

If such an all-out war happens, it will go nuclear by virtue of Shep, and one (or even several) nukes won't help at all, save for a very roundabout way of comitting suicide.

It's way more useful (and quite possibly cheaper) to procure advanced SAM systems and build a JASD umbrella over the Central Sea: Saddamistan is already going to have a hard time invading, seeing as approaching the middile of the Central Sea requires venturing into the Blackbeard umbrella.

Your plan with SAM systems does help against nukes, but that doesn't stop conventional invasion. OTOH if FUN has nukes then people will think twice before attacking us.

My plan for nukes is simple, a retaliation weapon. If they take us down, we take as many of them down with us.

DarthShady wrote:Your plan with SAM systems does help against nukes, but that doesn't stop conventional invasion. OTOH if FUN has nukes then people will think twice before attacking us.

How doesn't it stop conventional invasion?

It's part of a joint air-and-sea defence system. If the MESS will have a guarantee of losing a carrier or two when attempting to subdue a country in the Central Sea, they probably won't bother (if we stay neutral).

On the other hand, if they do land forces in the Shadow Empire, and you nuke them on the beaches (or one of MESS cities), they may retaliate with nukes and turn you into a glowing crater.

DarthShady wrote:My plan for nukes is simple, a retaliation weapon. If they take us down, we take as many of them down with us.

So you plan to retaliate against conventional invasion with nuclear weapons? How is that preferrable to surrender?

I didn't mean to use it in case of a conventional invasion, only in case of nuclear war. As you said surrender is a better option. But still they will think twice before attacking a nuclear power in any way.

So you plan to retaliate against conventional invasion with nuclear weapons? How is that preferable to surrender?

Its not. But the fact is that a single nuclear weapon is enough to end the existence of the shadow empire and most of the other FUN nations. I just want to be able to strike back if something like that happens.

DarthShady wrote: Its not. But the fact is that a single nuclear weapon is enough to end the existence of the shadow empire and most of the other FUN nations. I just want to be able to strike back if something like that happens.

It's probably better to just stay off the radar. The moment you acquire a nuclear weapon and a viable delivery vehicle, you get included in MESS and OMSK nuclear attack plans.

BTW, what kind of scenario can lead to nuclear war involving the FUN? It's like Argentina trying to achieve means of nuclear retaliation against the USSR or the US during the height of the Cold War. Retaliation for what?

If anything, I'm more of a target, since I gave OMSK basing rights in exchange for a pair of Burkes. I'm pretty sure somewhere in MESS drawers, there's a map of Amelia with pie-cutter drawn circles and device yields.

And my long term plans with Alexander continue.
Four steps ahead
And now the UKB turns mostly isolationist while I get things under control here, my laptop is dead, my main computer video card is dead and I post from a helpful friend's house.



So the UKB is as of now mostly isolationist, we are contiuning to launch our satellites (34 satellites left in HISCO) and setting up a new set of satellites soon.


Also during this time we are researching new Radar Imaging and Stas has some kind of manned system going up soon.

You make a good point. I am changing my plans. But i still think the FUN must do something to protect itself.

DarthShady wrote:You make a good point. I am changing my plans. But i still think the FUN must do something to protect itself.

Of course. I will call a Conference On FUN Defence Strategy quite soon, so that we can hammer out a common defence strategy for the entire FUN.

PeZook wrote:

DarthShady wrote:You make a good point. I am changing my plans. But i still think the FUN must do something to protect itself.

Of course. I will call a Conference On FUN Defence Strategy quite soon, so that we can hammer out a common defence strategy for the entire FUN.

Thats good to hear.

The FUN will not have nukes. I am a mad man and In Real Life, I would be so investing in XB-70s and go Shep, but in SDN World I am trying to build an ideal nation where the things that plague humanity In Real Life are minimized to the point where they no longer plague.... Shroomanity. That idealism also extends to the rest of the FUN.

If the FUN gets nukes, that's a Bad Thing (tm). Not only will we THEN become a TARGET for other nations that do have (MORE) nukes, we will also go down that slippery slope of international assholery and dickery that so plagues Real Life nations.

The FUN is an attempt at making puppies and kittens by bringing the world's peoples together so we can hold hands and dance around in a circle. You can't hug with nuclear arms.

The FUN will purchase ABM systems to protect itself from ballistic missiles. The FUN will purchase SAM systems to protect itself from bombers. The FUN has already purchased anti-ship systems to protect itself from invasion (invasion forces have to be transported by sea). Shroomania and PeZookia are working with Shepnukistan on the Blackbeard missile systems.

The best course of action to prevent from being invaded or from being nuked is to A.) Not give anyone a reason to HAET us and B.) Not have nukes to make ourselves targets for retaliation.


PeZook, you could give the MESS basing rights as well! More revenue for docked MESS ships!

DarthShady, I hope the Shadow Empire's agents will not do anything like the Mangkan Incident again - I mean, your actions will reflect on the rest of the FUN as well. Nevertheless, I am certain many of the men and women of the Fungal Bureau of Investigation are from the Shadow Empire's fine intelligence agencies - since they are damned good, and if you're going with that thing with the hot female spy vixens..

DarthShady, I hope the Shadow Empire's agents will not do anything like the Mangkan Incident again - I mean, your actions will reflect on the rest of the FUN as well. Nevertheless, I am certain many of the men and women of the Fungal Bureau of Investigation are from the Shadow Empire's fine intelligence agencies - since they are damned good, and if you're going with that thing with the hot female spy vixens.. Very Happy

Don't worry, there wont be any more Mangka incidents.

Yes i am going with the hot female spy vixens. Maybe we should make them into a FUN Agency.

DarthShady wrote: Don't worry, there wont be any more Mangka incidents.

Yes i am going with the hot female spy vixens. Maybe we should make them into a FUN Agency.

The FUN Spies! FUN to be with, FUN to be spied by them, FUN to spy them (in their locker rooms)

There is the Fungal Bureau of Investigation.

Fungal Intelligence Foreign Agency (FIFA!)?

Indeed.

We need a name for this new FUN agency.Any ideas?

EDIT:

Fungal Intelligence Foreign Agency (FIFA!)?

Maybe something sexier.

DarthShady wrote: Maybe something sexier.

I really hope your intelligence service isn't composed entirely of hot women

Fungal Intelligence Female Agents = FIFA?

Also: Let it be known that Shroomania's skin-tight spandex-clad doctors and nurses shall now be under the aegis of the Mushroom Organization of Medicine. The MOM.

PeZook wrote:

DarthShady wrote: Maybe something sexier.

I really hope your intelligence service isn't composed entirely of hot women

Actually it is.

Fungal Intelligence Female Agents = FIFA?

Also: Let it be known that Shroomania's skin-tight spandex-clad doctors and nurses shall now be under the aegis of the Mushroom Organization of Medicine. The MOM.

FIFA sounds great to me.

Can my doctors come to train with The MOM?

DarthShady wrote: Actually it is.

And it's actually effective, or just good for printing posters and calendars?

PeZook wrote:

DarthShady wrote: Actually it is.

And it's actually effective, or just good for printing posters and calendars?

Well they blew up Mangka Triad factories quite effectively. And i think we should deliver their posters and calendars along with Shrooms calendars.

The ISCA will make millions.

DarthShady wrote: Well they blew up Mangka Triad factories quite effectively.

Well, yeah - but that's sabotage, not intelligence gathering. An intelligence service needs a lot of officers, male, female, tall, small, average and not, because information is gathered a million different ways.

A spandex-clad chick-spy may be good for burgling a corporate office and stealing hard drives, but she's not exactly going to seduce a middle-aged secretary of the Shepnukistani ambassador and milk her for info ,now is she?

DarthShady wrote:And i think we should deliver their posters and calendars along with Shrooms calendars.

The ISCA will make millions.

Yeah! Let's publish their faces all over the world. This will certainly make their jobs easier

Well, yeah - but that's sabotage, not intelligence gathering. An intelligence service needs a lot of officers, male, female, tall, small, average and not, because information is gathered a million different ways.

A spandex-clad chick-spy may be good for burgling a corporate office and stealing hard drives, but she's not exactly going to seduce a middle-aged secretary of the Shepnukistani ambassador and milk her for info ,now is she? Smile

Don't worry, i have another agency which is so secret that even i don't know its name.Actually i do know it's name, but it wouldn't be a secret agency if i told you

Yeah! Let's publish their faces all over the world. This will certainly make their jobs easier Wink

You've got a point there.

Anyway, I love acronyms.

So far we have:

MOM = Mushroom Organization of Medicine

FIFA = Fungal Intelligence Female Agents

FIA = Fungal Intelligence Agency

FBI = Fungal Bureau of Investigation

A couple new suggestions:

SOFIA = Shroomanian Operations Fungal Intelligence Agency (a bit redundant, but it sounds SO COOL!)

MANG = Mushroom Army and National Guard (MANG! maaaang!)

FUBAR = Fungal Union Battle Authority Regime (For your consideration)

Or, even awesomer!

FANG = Fungal Army and National Guard/ Fungal Army Navy G(something...)

Just some ramblings...

MKSheppard wrote: What do you all have against atomic canal blasting

Um.... fallout? You of all people should know the difference in fallout between a air burst and a ground burst, the spread of radioactive particles into the air... unless you think thyroid cancer is sexy:


Things didn't end up so sweet for the victims of Chernobyl, and that blast wasn't even a fraction of what you're talking about...

Stas Bush wrote: EDIT: okay, you all decided to condemn EPAs? But it was tried in reality and not like it gathered much outrage.

I didn't know it had been done in reality, I thought only studies. But it figures it got done in the remote parts of the Soviet Union where no one really could complain. But it is true, there was a time when the world thought that a nuclear blast was "just a bigger boom" than normal but now, years later, we know that it comes with a lot of unpleasant side-effects. That's one reason why above-ground nuclear testing ended. Casually lighting off of nuclear blasts, be they military or civilian, kicks up bad stuff into the atmosphere.

I mean, we were more concerned with nukes falling into Saddam's hands, than the canal digging.

Sometimes you get more than you call for.

I was flipped out about both, really. They're equally bad.