More on Terri Schiavo--UPDATE: Schiavo dead 31 Mar 05

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-03-31 01:47pm

Burak Gazan wrote:The SPIN begins....

CNN has some fucking hand-wavium moron on right now claiming that even if her brain isn't there as it were, that doesn't prove she was in a PVS, since that's "a clinical diagnosis" or some similar fucking bullshit smokescreen.

Oh boy.....

Even before the meatsack expired, there were people insisting that an atrophied brain could "grow back". There is no depth of idiocy to which these people won't sink.

Jalinth · Post by **Jalinth** » 2005-03-31 01:50pm

18-Till-I-Die wrote:You know, the rightists will definately try something 'drastic' now.

I hope everyone who sided against the Schindlers gets some police protection, because those psychos will be coming after them in legions.

This is really just the begining of a long, long trail of shit from the right.

They are already giving Judge Greer and his family police protection. Wonderful - do your job correctly (as in, all the appeals courts basically say that your rulings were reasonable) and get to live under police protection. Just another fringe benefit of trying to uphold the law these days.

Michael and his new family will also need protection big time. The loving religion strikes again.

I could see this type of case really causing conflicts between your libertarian and social conservatives - since this is an area where they have views at opposite ends of the spectrum from each other. And no party can afford to let a significant part of its base slip - elections are just too close these days.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2005-03-31 01:52pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Burak Gazan wrote:The SPIN begins....

CNN has some fucking hand-wavium moron on right now claiming that even if her brain isn't there as it were, that doesn't prove she was in a PVS, since that's "a clinical diagnosis" or some similar fucking bullshit smokescreen.

Oh boy.....
Even before the meatsack expired, there were people insisting that an atrophied brain could "grow back". There is no depth of idiocy to which these people won't sink.

WTF what kind of science did they studied?

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2005-03-31 02:02pm

Montcalm wrote:WTF what kind of science did they studied?

Pseudoscience, obviously: much like "Scientific Creationism", which many of these same people probably believe as well...

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2005-03-31 02:25pm

I heard about the death while listening to the news. Even though I know who once was Terri Schiavo past away years ago, I still couldn't help but feel a little sad about her physical passing away. May everyone have a little peace now.

Melkor · Post by **Melkor** » 2005-03-31 02:31pm

If you thought you've heard the worst you haven't. I just read the following quote from DeLay.

Another braindead asshole says
President Bush on Thursday urged the country to honor Terri Schiavo's memory by working to "build a culture of life" while House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said "the men responsible for this" will be called to account.

"This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change," the Texas Republican said. "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another."

From here

He's full of shit and just trying to kiss more religious ass, but its still disgusting.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-31 02:39pm

Darth Wong wrote:Even before the meatsack expired, there were people insisting that an atrophied brain could "grow back". There is no depth of idiocy to which these people won't sink.

Come on Mike. These are the same people who think the Earth is only 6000 years old. Encountering this level of stupidity should be old hat for you with your anticreationism site by now.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-03-31 02:40pm

Full artcle dealing with what Melkor is talking about:

Bush: Millions saddened by Schiavo's death
Thursday, March 31, 2005 Posted: 12:36 PM EST (1736 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Thursday that he joins the millions of Americans saddened by the death of Terri Schiavo and urged the country to honor her memory by working to "build a culture of life."

"The essence of civilization is that the strong have a duty to protect the weak," Bush said. "In cases where there are serious doubts and questions, the presumption should be in favor of life."

The Florida woman, who suffered severe brain damage after a heart attack 15 years ago, died Thursday. The feeding tube that had been keeping her alive was removed with a judge's approval on March 18.

Bush offered words of comfort and praise for both Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, and her husband, Michael Schiavo.

The two sides had battled in the courts for years over Terri Schiavo's fate, with her parents believing she could improve with treatment and her husband insisting she would not have wished to be kept alive artificially. State court-appointed doctors had ruled Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state, with no real consciousness or chance of recovery.

Bush, despite acting to help the Schindlers, singled out neither side in extending condolences to Schiavo's "families" and said that "millions of Americans" join their sorrow.

"I appreciate the example of grace and dignity they have displayed at a difficult time," the president said. "I urge all those who honor Terri Schiavo to continue to work to build a culture of life where all Americans are welcomed and valued and protected, especially those who live at the mercy of others."

Other Washington figures who were deeply involved in the extraordinary federal intervention in Schiavo's case also weighed in on her passing.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, said her death was a "regrettable loss of life" that deeply saddened him. "May God bless her memory," he said.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, called Schiavo's death a "moral poverty and a legal tragedy."

"This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change," DeLay said. "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another."

House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin, called on Congress to pass legislation to help others going through similar legal battles.

"Terri's will to live should serve as an inspiration and impetus for action," Sensenbrenner said.

Last week, Bush said he had run out of legal options to help keep Schiavo alive.

The weekend after Schiavo's feeding tube was removed, GOP leaders in Congress convened a rare session to pass a law handing jurisdiction over the case to the federal courts, after state courts repeatedly rejected pleas from Schiavo's parents to help prolong the woman's life. Bush, acting in a case championed by many of those in his party's conservative base of political support, made a surprise flight back to Washington from his ranch in Crawford, Texas, so he could sign the legislation as soon as it passed in the middle of the night.

But federal courts didn't act as the lawmakers hoped. Up to the highest level, they also repeatedly rebuffed the Schindlers.

On Wednesday, Judge Stanley F. Birch, Jr., a conservative appointed by the former President Bush, wrote a rebuke of Bush and Congress. He said the action by the White House and lawmakers was "demonstrably at odds with our Founding Fathers' blueprint for the governance of a free people -- our Constitution."

Bush's high-profile intervention also drew criticism from the public, a large majority of which was shown in polls to think it was inappropriate. There has even been a split in the conservative community, many of whom revere states' rights and the ability of families to make decisions without federal interference.

Glad to know the body isn't even cold and Bush is vulturing over it like a good little jackal for the Culture of Life

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-31 02:42pm

Sephirius wrote:I propose the following amendments to the map of North America.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/ ... ew_map.jpg

that is all.

Oh come on. You can take Nevada into CSA too.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2005-03-31 02:56pm

Darth Wong wrote:
SpacedTeddyBear wrote:May she rest in peace finally.

I wonder how long it'll take before they make a movie about this.
Bullshit Wars, Episode 1: The Phantom Brain.

the whole thing with her parent's selling the lists of doners to religious telemarketers could have a nice Ringu appeal to it....

<samara/sedako voice>"Fourteen Days"</voice>

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-03-31 02:57pm

Tom DeLay wrote:"This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change," DeLay said. "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another."

Is that a threat against the judicial branch and Michael Schiavo?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2005-03-31 02:59pm

Jalinth wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:You know, the rightists will definately try something 'drastic' now.

I hope everyone who sided against the Schindlers gets some police protection, because those psychos will be coming after them in legions.

This is really just the begining of a long, long trail of shit from the right.
They are already giving Judge Greer and his family police protection. Wonderful - do your job correctly (as in, all the appeals courts basically say that your rulings were reasonable) and get to live under police protection. Just another fringe benefit of trying to uphold the law these days.

Michael and his new family will also need protection big time. The loving religion strikes again.

I could see this type of case really causing conflicts between your libertarian and social conservatives - since this is an area where they have views at opposite ends of the spectrum from each other. And no party can afford to let a significant part of its base slip - elections are just too close these days.

ok, recall the troops I have found out some persistant terrorist cells, INVADE THE BIBLE BELT!!!!

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-03-31 02:59pm

Durandal wrote:
Tom DeLay wrote:"This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change," DeLay said. "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another."
Is that a threat against the judicial branch and Michael Schiavo?

This IS Tom DeLay we are talking about, I would put nothing past him...

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2005-03-31 03:17pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Sephirius wrote:I propose the following amendments to the map of North America.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/ ... ew_map.jpg

that is all.
Oh come on. You can take Nevada into CSA too.

And Orange County, Florida. We voted CSA

. On that county-by-county map we show up real good, surrounded by the red counties.

And thank goodness she didn't die tomorrow. That would've caused some real confusion. I'm sorry she died 15 years ago, but I'm glad it's finally over.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-31 03:22pm

I only heard the news immediately before leaving for Boeing this morning. There was light discussion in the break room about it, where one of the volunteers suggested that Michael Schiavo should be charged with bigamy.

After I pointed out that she was dead for all intents and purposes, and that he had to move on, the guy shrugged it off. Idiots.

Now, for logical consistency, how about we start this "culture of life" nonsense by dismantling the military's offensive capacity and withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan?

Tommy J · Post by **Tommy J** » 2005-03-31 03:27pm

It's now time for the Democrats to weigh in on this issue and pull some of the Republicans out of the closet who were appalled that the Federal Government intervened. They really have the political capital now that she's passed to make some hay.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2005-03-31 03:33pm

Tommy J wrote:It's now time for the Democrats to weigh in on this issue and pull some of the Republicans out of the closet who were appalled that the Federal Government intervened. They really have the political capital now that she's passed to make some hay.

Politically speaking, this would be great for the Democrats, many people despised what was happening to Schiavo, and how the Republican party was acting. Unfortuantaly, we will just be able to put his under another missed golden opportunity.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2005-03-31 03:40pm

Too bad "she" couldn't hold out for one more day- it would added a nice touch of irony to the whole thing.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-03-31 04:04pm

Darth Wong wrote:
SpacedTeddyBear wrote:May she rest in peace finally.

I wonder how long it'll take before they make a movie about this.
Bullshit Wars, Episode 1: The Phantom Brain.

Holy shit, I didn't even think about this. The movie will of course be told from the Schindler/religious right POV, and Michael Schiavo would probably be demonized and portrayed as some kind of villain. I can just imagine the cringe worthy, "emotional" scene where Terri starts screaming "Awwwwww Waaaaa!"

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-03-31 04:07pm

Captain Cyran wrote:Politically speaking, this would be great for the Democrats, many people despised what was happening to Schiavo, and how the Republican party was acting.

Unfortunately the Democrats couldn't get their shit together if it came preassembled.

Nick Lancaster · Post by **Nick Lancaster** » 2005-03-31 04:38pm

Firefox wrote:I only heard the news immediately before leaving for Boeing this morning. There was light discussion in the break room about it, where one of the volunteers suggested that Michael Schiavo should be charged with bigamy.

After I pointed out that she was dead for all intents and purposes, and that he had to move on, the guy shrugged it off. Idiots.

Heck, if the Schindlers believed Terri was speaking to them, she can speak to Michael.

And it's only bigamy if he marries the second woman, isn't it? Otherwise, it'd be adultery.

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-03-31 04:40pm

Re: Tom Delay

Melkor wrote:He's full of shit and just trying to kiss more religious ass, but its still disgusting.

He's even more full of shit since his dad had to be taken off life support a few years ago. Then there's Bush, with the Texas law he signed, allowing the Doctor, not the family to pull the plug based upon the ability to pay. Where was their culture of life then?

They're worse than being just full of shit, they're complete and total fucking hypocrits.

(yes I'm wearing a captain obvious hat right now)

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2005-03-31 04:41pm

howabout "Parasyte Eve" since they seem to think that the fact that she had no brain, and was still allegedly here, where do you think her motivation power was "The Liver" ?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-31 04:49pm

Nick Lancaster wrote:And it's only bigamy if he marries the second woman, isn't it? Otherwise, it'd be adultery.

The idiot was trying to claim common law marriage, since the two are living together.

General Brock · Post by **General Brock** » 2005-03-31 04:50pm

May her spirit rest in peace and give comfort to the living.