SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-04-16 01:14am

Sounds good.

BTW how about my Black Ops group being refered to as the "Nazgûl"

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 01:15am

no problem.

all OMSK nations are welcome, and can use my airstripes.

I'm not involved in turning Zablania to cinders so far but I support whatever OMSk does to it (read: wipes it out)

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2008-04-16 01:36am

Oh yeah, what be with that Atlantis shit, yo?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 03:58am

you're dead, aren't you?

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2008-04-16 04:07am

Out of Curiousity, could i have control of Syndromia in terms of gameplay?

Zor

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 04:12am

Syndromian unrests could be penned by anyone, but the nation should be left to it's affairs.

I still have Tithonus in exile here, so if he wishes to resume playing, which he might, I want to keep that nation for him.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-16 04:28am

I'd like to point Stas towards the new year's budget statement, which lists 10 Yak-130 trainers to be purchased from Red Technocracy in FY2009

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 04:29am

ah sure. so you have, 10 Yak-130, 1 SAM control center and 1 ALTEK-300 trainer for the same SAM complex?

I'll deliver that

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-16 04:46am

Heh...
I just tallied up the currently deployed JASD systems in PeZookia, and boy...

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1st Shore Defence Battallion "Vampires"	
HQ 	1x command vehicle
1st Training Battery	
Field Training Platoon	 3x MALS launcher
Combat Training Centre	 1x Computerized training system
1st Shore Defence Battery	
Missile platoon	3x MALS launcher
Reloading platoon	2x reloading vehicle
Supply platoon	1x supply, fuel carrier
2nd Shore Defence Battery	
Missile platoon	3x MALS launcher
Reloading platoon	2x reloading vehicle
Supply platoon	1x supply, fuel carrier
	
2nd Shore Defence Battallion "Skull & Crossbones"	
HQ Company	
1st Blackbeard Shore Defence Battery	
Fire Control Platoon	
Launcher Platoon	4x HML launcher
Reloading platoon	4x RML reloader, trucks
Maintenance platoon	
2nd Blackbeard Shore Defence Battery	
Fire Control Platoon	
Launcher Platoon	4x HML launcher
Reloading platoon	4x RML reloader, trucks
Maintenance platoon

One MALS cann volley off 2 missiles before reloading, while a Shepnukistani HML can volley off 4. I have 9 MALS (if I use the training battery for launching combat missiles) and 8 HML vehicles.

Which gives 18 + 32 missiles = 50 missiles per volley.

I think we can say the Central Sea is safe from any single carrier group.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 04:50am

And that means, if Saddamistan attacks... he'll suffer. Before being turned to cinders by OMSK, of course. Muhaha. Selling arms does yield benefits for world peace. Shep was right in his interview

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-16 04:54am

Stas Bush wrote:And that means, if Saddamistan attacks... he'll suffer. Before being turned to cinders by OMSK, of course. Muhaha. Selling arms does yield benefits for world peace. Shep was right in his interview

Well, we'll need SAM systems to complement the ASMs now.

I think I will order them from the Red Technocracy in FY2010, rather than developing them myself. They can be based on the MALS launcher and be just as mobile and dispersed as the ASM systems.

Then it's just a question of using the massive missile factory Shep constructed to spam ungodly amounts of missiles.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-04-16 05:18am

A question: Do small nation's economies remain small forever? By what metrics do we use to judge the growth in size of economy? Number of posts (which I hope aren't spam)?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 05:19am

small nations remain small relative to other nations GDP

that's why

but they can grow and buy stuff

can't grow territory though unless they conquer

EDIT: GPD growth rates are small also due to the first world development for their industries.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-04-16 05:21am

Stas Bush wrote:small nations remain small relative to other nations GDP

that's why

but they can grow and buy stuff

can't grow territory though unless they conquer

So how mcuh is considered realistic? 7% economic growth which is typical for a fast growing 2nd world or 3rd world?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 05:23am

Fingolfin_Noldor
but most nations are first world, so it's between 0% and 3% growth I believe

I am a command ecnomy and i also invest really really lots into space, and military industry for war, that's why I have a 6% growth but it will slow down after the initial "jump" to the SPIRAL program

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-04-16 05:24am

Stas Bush wrote:Fingolfin_Noldor
but most nations are first world, so it's between 0% and 3% growth I believe

I am a command ecnomy and i also invest really really lots into space, and military industry for war, that's why I have a 6% growth but it will slow down after the initial "jump" to the SPIRAL program

Alright. So it depends how much money I splurge anyway, which I do hefty for most social and science needs.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2008-04-16 05:25am

By the by, I know the vast amount of this RAR has totally passed me by, but I'd like to call my nation still "Alive"

Mostly if anyone every needs a place for research, science, or a wildly gay time, Crossroadia is your place.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-04-16 05:28am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:By the by, I know the vast amount of this RAR has totally passed me by, but I'd like to call my nation still "Alive"

Mostly if anyone every needs a place for research, science, or a wildly gay time, Crossroadia is your place.

I'm still looking for people to take up the SuperCollider (LHC type) proposal. We are looking for tenders for a lot of items, from superconducting magnets, to tunneling equipment and all. SUperconducting magnets we have been working on, but don't mind collaboration. The High Energy Institute has been granted 2 billion cash to delve deeply into the design and the science. If we can get 5 confirmed people PMing me their complete intentions and their proposals and what they can contribute, we can have a conference to discuss how best to work it all out.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2008-04-16 05:31am

Sounds good to me, I can cxontribuate at least another Billion to its production, shoot you could even build it in my country if you wanted.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-16 05:32am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: So how mcuh is considered realistic? 7% economic growth which is typical for a fast growing 2nd world or 3rd world?

Pretty much. I really don't think this merits some horrifying regulation.

Just go with what seems okay. If anybody writes "15 percent growth for last five years", we just gonna have a cool storyline about a hoorifying economic collapse

Stas Bush wrote:small nations remain small relative to other nations GDP

Not exactly - small nations usually converge pretty fast with larger nations, slowing down as they close with them, due to investment and technology transfer.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-16 05:34am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: I'm still looking for people to take up the SuperCollider (LHC type) proposal. We are looking for tenders for a lot of items, from superconducting magnets, to tunneling equipment and all. SUperconducting magnets we have been working on, but don't mind collaboration. The High Energy Institute has been granted 2 billion cash to delve deeply into the design and the science. If we can get 5 confirmed people PMing me their complete intentions and their proposals and what they can contribute, we can have a conference to discuss how best to work it all out.

Oh, PeZookia would love to contribute, but we have no hi-tech industry. We could pretty much contribute some manpower, natural resources and a bit of electronic expertise in simple things

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 05:36am

Not exactly - small nations usually converge pretty fast with larger nations, slowing down as they close with them, due to investment and technology transfer.

we're talking about gross GDP not per capita, which is at first world for most of us

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-16 05:41am

Stas Bush wrote: we're talking about gross GDP not per capita, which is at first world for most of us

I was commenting on gross GDP.

Since first world nations are the ones doing the hard work, catching up to them is actually a bit easier for smaller countries.

Which is why developing nations typically have about 1 or 2 percent higher growth than the really big boys, but the big boys can commit far more resources to R&D.

It was seen historically, too - it was easier to industrialize after everybody's done it, since you could just import machines and expertise and get massive increases in output in just a few years.

Of course, this doesn't mean a nation like PeZookia will become an equal to the Red Technocracy, because convergence becomes prohibitively more expensive as you go, but proportions aren't going to stay the same throughout, either.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-16 05:44am

I was commenting on gross GDP.

How can a gross GDP of a small first world nation equal to that of a large first world nation?

that can't be.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-16 05:47am

Stas Bush wrote: How can a gross GDP of a small first world nation equal to that of a large first world nation? that can't be.

The growth of GDP can equal or surpass that for some time ; Obviously, the sum total will always remain vastly smaller.

Or, rather - after 200 years of development, PeZookia may be where the Red Technocracy is now.

Of course, the RT will have colonies on all three moons by then and probably have transcended to posthumanism anyway

EDIT: Oh, and of course convergence does not apply if you already are on the same technological level as the big bad boy. It's only applicable to 2nd or 3rd world developing nations.