Most people generalizie, its helps us sort through the world.
The hallmark of intellectual laziness. No wonder you're a bigot. Just because most people do it doesn't mean it's a rational way of doing things.
Imagine if you couldn't generalize how much more difficult it would be to understand anything, But I didn't say that it was everyone, and even stated a large chunck of them can and do behave normally.
Perhaps you should look at your own words:
No I am stating that its symptomaitc of a larger problem. "life is screed up so I am going to act screwed up. My mother is a bitch, My father is decent, therefore I want t ostay away from women and sleep with men". This kind of thinking is something I heard in college. No never outright, but when they talk about thier family life or why they like guys, they coem back to how thier parents treated them, or uncle abused them in about half, maybe most of the gays that I have met.
This is eerily similar to some redneck Klan member saying, "Those black people! All's they ever does is complain about slavery and how the white man has mistreated them!"
Either stand by your words or think before you type. You ascribed a bad family life and social deficiency to all gay people. That's bigotry.
Well here is another generalization, its better to decide things based upon a good deal of experience than theory.
So, your small, localized experiences with the homosexual population are indicative of the whole?
It would appear its you who are the bigot.
Really?! I'd
love to see you explain that. I'm not the one saying that homosexuals and bisexuals are
all attention-craving, neglected misfits. Where do I ascribe personality traits to a specific group based solely upon the fact that its members are members of that group? Do you even know what bigotry is? Or is it just something you throw around whenever someone tells you how stupid your ideas are? You remind me of deluded teenagers who call everything they don't like "ignorant," without any real grasp of the meaning of the word. All they know is "Duh, ignorant is bad, right?" You seem to think that a bigot is anyone who harshly criticizes your views. By your definition, debate tournaments all throughout the country are filled with bigots!
Someone else has a different point of view, instead of trying t oreason you shout out names, without offering anything to support your position.
Your point of view is simply bigoted, and many have told you why, including me. You're taking your negative experiences with gays/bisexuals and holding them up as the standard. I have a gay friend, and he lives a completely normal, mundane life, doesn't do gay pride parades, and keeps his personal life personal. Looks like your generalization has failed.
Now since you decry calling upon perosnal experience, please denote somehow with something that supports your psotion without demagaugery.
My position is that gay people are people just like everyone else and that their sexuality has
no bearing on their personality or background. You prefer to lump gay people all into the limp-wristed, lisped, gay stereotype. Why do I have to explain that stereotypes are inherently flawed notions to you?
You want logic, and evidence yet preasent none, assuming your case is already established. Now you can;t generalize bu only use absolutes, and make your case.
That's right. I want logic and evidence from you, because you're making the claim. My views are irrelevant, but I've outlined them to you anyway, with supporting evidence of a gay person that betrays your stereotype, therefore your stereotype is wrong. The only thing you can conclusively generalize about gay people is that they're gay. They're not all social deviants who were neglected as children.
Here is my logic, if everyone was gay, there would be no next generation, and the human would cease to exist. Does that not reek of soemthign self destructive? Pleaser refute with your non-generalized absolute logic. I would enjoy listening to your bigoted stupidity.
My "bigoted stupidity"? The fact that you can say that with a straight face is sickening. You're sitting here, telling everyone that gay people are all self destructive, even though they can lead perfectly normal lives. What about impotent men? Should we lump them into your "Groups I am Intolerant Of" list? After all, if everyone was impotent, the human race wouldn't reproduce, and some people are born impotent from birth. What about people who choose not to have children? Are they "self destructive," as well?
Not just semantics, its the core of the issue. Its easy to hate people, its hard to recognize something for what it is ,and the call it what it is. Self destructive. Darwinian Logic concludes that one of the primairy function of an organism is to reproduce. For someone to make a decision to cast aside the capacity for reproduction for what is fundementally a misdirected sexual appetite for whatever reason is to decide to terminate a purpose for life. IF yoiu don't care for people, who could simply call it another choice, its really suicide of sorts -- plain and simple.
It's not a decision. It's decided at the genomic level. This has been brought to all our attentions repeatedly in this thread, and yet you ignore it.
I don't think yiou get it. I don;t hate, or dislike anyone becasue they are gay/lesbian/bi. I advise them, if asked what I think, I will give them a truthful answer. Doesn;t make me a bigot for looking at certain set of data, and determining upon what I know to be true to come to conclusion what they are doing is wrong for themselves and society as a whole.
No,
you don't get it. Bigotry isn't simply hating everyone of a certain group. It's subscribing certain social behaviors to everyone of a group based on the fact that they're a member of that group. You ascribed social deviance and parental neglect to gay and bisexual people for the sole purpose that they were oriented that way sexually. That is bigotry.
Don't
pretend to be objectively looking at data, either. You're simply trying to alleviate yourself of guilt by saying, "Well, all gay people are this way, and they don't reproduce, so it's objective, and it's OK." Wrong. Impotent men and women don't reproduce by no fault of their own, and gay people are gay by no fault of their own. Have you ever considered what kind of incredibly fucked up social conditions would make a man want to give up and suppress his natural attraction to women, and then replace that with an attraction to
men? Men are butt-ugly compared to women! Obviously, gay men don't think so. You think there's something in their biology that makes them attracted to other men?
You remind me of the "scientists" back in the 19th and early 20th centuries that did "research" to "prove" that black people were intellectually inferior to whites. Sure, based on the data, you could make that conclusion, but the data
was flawed. Your data (experiences with gays/bisexuals) is not indicative of the whole, so you can't make judgments about the whole based on it. But, that doesn't stop you, Mister "All Bisexuals are Just Trying to Get Attention."
What gived me the right to decide such thing? I give myself the right to determine and base judgements. They are not binding on others, and a certain darwinian aspect to it makes it favourable to me to advise them to continue on this course, makeing my genes more likely to pass on with less competition.
To "advise" them? This is the 21st century. Gay people can have families, and if it wasn't for the pervasive intolerance like yours, gay parents would be much more common.
Telling people that what they are doing is fine when in fact is not, is not doing them any favours no matter how you slice the deck. Its unfortunate, but nonetheless true. to do otherwise is lie to yourself and the person who you advise.
Who is anyone advising? Someone asked for opinions on homosexuality, not advice for homosexuals. You speak of homosexuals like they're criminals or something.
I remember when I had a group project in accounting class, being at the top of the class, I decided to help out (like I ussually do) a group of struggleing classmates. Now its senor year, and we are all compteting for jobs. and i gave one of them a rather simple assignment, that could be done in a lab in a half hour. I come back about 40 minutes later wondering whats taking so long, so we can move to the next part of the assignment. There was trouble, she didn't know how to use Excel. A senior in college, an accountant, (takes a 5 years worth of credits to become an accountant these days) and she didn;t know how to use excel. Behind schedule, I grab the assignment, and finish it up for her. I then ask her why she didn;t know excel. Well she had someone else do all the work for her. (got a disk from a previous semester student and paid them to change all the projects). I asked if she thought that this was a good thing, now that she couldn't even do the simplest thing in excel as an accountant? she said, "Well I will just work someplace that doesn;t use excel". She was simply wrong to take this position. (its unheard of for an accounting position not to use excel in some form) SO I sat there, and explained it to her, that she needed to know this. I then tutored her for the next 3 weeks getting her up to basic functioning speed.
Don't you get it? The fact that you're making this analogy means that you think gay people are all
deficient or inferior because they're gay! That's bigotry!
Perhaps it was bigoted of me not to just accept something blantantly wrong and self destructive.
So, you think homosexuality is evil? That sounds pretty bigoted to me.
And perhapss its in my best interests to have one less competitive canidate for a job. but I am like that. I call them like I see them. I didn't hate her but I thought the idea was a bad, and I said so.
The more I read your tripe, the more I'm disgusted by you.
I don't see any play on words in my sentance. just sincere thught on the subject. Its allot more than what you gave me, just a bunch of garbage and name calling. Is that all you have to offer, or are you going to back it up with something?
What, not accepting your hasty generalizations is "garbage"? You didn't read a single word I write, did you?
)and casual sex too if evryone else was doing it but me... I think youre just lonely and jealous. But dont be sad, I took the liberty of sending Bruce and Ramón over to comfort you. 