Regarding the Cleavage Thread and AYVB.

[Kuja]

I suppose I could just sit by and let this incident run its course, but I feel the need to get this off my chest. Earlier today I was speaking to Ghost Rider and I admitted to him that had it been up to me, I would've locked the thread long before Stravo did, even before the issue with Spanky came up, mostly because of the outrageous flirting and spamming going on in it.


Batman. Since you seem unable to grasp why you're in trouble, let me give you a pointer:

Not to us longtimers they don't. We're supposed to have an instinct for threads like that.

*cringes*

I was.
*cringes again*

This is AMP. Me chatting in a pic thread means Z is going to come down on me like the wrath of Valen on extremely short notice. And she'll be right to do so which makes it even worse.
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Great. I just did it again.

Here's a hint: if you know that something you're doing is against the rules and most likely going to make a mod angry, THEN WHY ARE YOU DOING IT?! It's flagrantly disrespectful and extremely foolish. The fact that you were doing if for no other apparent reason than drawing female attention to yourself is just one more thing to enrage the mods.

In the future, don't engage in this kind of behavior. If you're uncertain about the rules, take things to PM, especially if one of the people you're flirting with is new to the board and doesn't know the ropes yet. Don't continue down a path that you know will lead to nothing but trouble.

[RedImperator]

Jesus Christ, what in the hell is the matter with people? Does nobody remember the Aphrodite fiasco? I sure do, and I also remember saying that was the last straw.

There will be punishment for this.

[Xon]

The fact they have the term "AYVB" is yet another indication that when the hormones turn on young male humans think with their dicks instead of their brains for awhile. What you're seeing, in part, are the mature stallions trying to kick some sense into the stupid young bucks.

A very large part of this behaviour is because it is viewed as socially acceptable in that age group in most places in the world.

I was appreciating that thread and then some fucktards needed to get overly excited and trash it for everyone.

[Enigma]

Who are in the AYVB? I've read about them a few times but I do not know who's in it.

[Ghost Rider]

Who are in the AYVB? I've read about them a few times but I do not know who's in it.

Read the thread. Shinova asked, and the acronym explains what they are quite well.

[Enigma]

Who are in the AYVB? I've read about them a few times but I do not know who's in it.

Read the thread. Shinova asked, and the acronym explains what they are quite well.

I know what it means, I meant who are in the Angry Young Virgins Brigade?

[Lord Zentei]

What an unfortunate turn of events this has all been. Can't say I'm surprised by how it all ended, though.

Mouseychan, I hope you won't be too put off by the board because of all this, and Mrs Kendall and all you others who contributed, thanks, and my sympathies for what has happened.

[Kuja]

Who are in the AYVB? I've read about them a few times but I do not know who's in it.

Read the thread. Shinova asked, and the acronym explains what they are quite well.

I know what it means, I meant who are in the Angry Young Virgins Brigade?

Anyone with 'AYVB' in their sig, and some others too ashamed to admit it but boradcast it with their wagging tongues.

[Exonerate]

Who are in the AYVB? I've read about them a few times but I do not know who's in it.

Read the thread. Shinova asked, and the acronym explains what they are quite well.

I know what it means, I meant who are in the Angry Young Virgins Brigade?

Its a stereotype, not a usergroup. Think Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

[Admiral Valdemar]

Why anyone would advertise that they're part of the AYVB I don't know. It's like saying you're a sad, basement residing bastard in public.

[Ender]

See, this shit is why you almost never catch me outside of a forum centered around debate. I come here for a mental workout. If I want to try and hook up with someone or flirt around, I'll go down the street to the god damned bar.

This is a debate forum with socially orientated areas tacked on as afterthoughts people, not a geek singles club. And yeah, I'm lambasting both sexes here. There is no excusing they AYVBs behavior here, but if you throw blood in the water, don't get shocked when you attract sharks.

[Mrs Kendall]

Ok, I just wanna say that I know that this has happened because there was a few warnings and people didn't listen, but seeing as though I forgot that SirNitrams post existed once all the pics were being posted then I can only imagine that some others forgot it was there as well.

This sort of thing happens with the no comments picture thread of our members... no comments allowed... then on the next page *or even sometimes on that same page* there's a comment because people are not perfect and don't have perfect memories. When you get used to posting on a board like this and mosey on over to a thread you've been looking at for a while it's hard to remember that that particular thread has special rules.

I want to thank those of you who are looking out for me and telling me none of this was my fault. I sincerely felt like crap. Now I don't. I understand why Spanky is being treated this way, and I don't disagree with it I just hope to help everyone see that people do make mistakes and it's easy to forget the rules. Now I'm not sure how many times he's had this happen, or even anything close to this though so I can't say whether he should be let off with a warning or have his life made a living hell. I just wanted to state how I felt on this matter.

Please be gentle. I never meant for any of this to happen, I was merely just announcing what was to come. Spanky's request didn't bother me this much.

Here, for anyone who want the exact pm contents, here it is...

Yeah I thought so.. you cannot fool me I knew you enjoyed the view when you kept visiting the thread and continued to post frequently after I posted my piccies.

Heh, I suppose you could say that I was partially hopefull that additional pictures would be posted, either by yourself or others.

Glad to know it's providing a happy picture in your head. Glad to know you enjoy them.

Very much so.

Speaking of, this might sound a bit odd, but I was wondering if you could fufill a request, or even if you would consider taking one in the first place.

As lovely as your sexy sacks of fat are, as you phrased it, would it be possible to have a picture that included your head in the frame? It's nothing like a weird fetish or anything, it's just that I usually prefer that women aren't "cut up into parts," you could say. Additionally, I recall previously that you do indeed have quite a pretty face. Smile

So, is that alright, or too much to ask for?

So as you may see he was being friendly, he wasn't rude, he was asking if it was too much to ask, he wanted me to be comfy with it.

Do with that what you will I just thought I should post it so nobody just assumed he was quick and said 'gimme a pic with your face in it too'.

I understand that at the end of the day he did do something against the rules and he did do something that could be considered harrassment but I just want to make everyone aware that I didn't feel harrassed at all.


Also for the record I had no idea batman was considered a perv. He certainly never did anything to me to make me feel yucky. Just was surprised to hear that he has had complaints as well. Oh well such is life I guess.

Now please don't razz on me for being kind to Spanky. I just know how I feel and I wanted to make it known.

[Shinova]

As a thought: If, in the future, there is a desire for pictures that >ahem< highlight the female form and its attributes perhaps it would be best to locate it in a closed, member-only forum? Then, those who wish to participate or view and are mature enough to behave can be admitted and those who have demonstrated asshole tendencies can simply not be invited?

I dunno how you're going to determine who's mature and who's not. The only real way to know would be to watch a poster and see how he or she behaves over the course of their tenure, but that discriminates against new posters who may actually be quite mature. And on the other hand, old-timers could pretend to be mature all they want, and then once in the fold let loose their hormones.

[haas mark]

That said, by the way, not a single ONE of you better even DARE try to recreate this in the BotM.

[Broomstick]

Hey, did I say it would be easy?

[Admiral Valdemar]

I dunno how you're going to determine who's mature and who's not. The only real way to know would be to watch a poster and see how he or she behaves over the course of their tenure, but that discriminates against new posters who may actually be quite mature. And on the other hand, old-timers could pretend to be mature all they want, and then once in the fold let loose their hormones.

There'd need to be some council to decide who can and cannot see the boobies and what not. I don't see how this could be done now effectively, but maybe if we invented some advanced AI we could do it.

Or maybe a lottery.

[Shinova]

Or maybe ask the person how much porn he or she has. Chances are someone with buttloads of porn isn't going to get all worked up over a simple cleavage shot.

[SirNitram]

Ok, I just wanna say that I know that this has happened because there was a few warnings and people didn't listen, but seeing as though I forgot that SirNitrams post existed once all the pics were being posted then I can only imagine that some others forgot it was there as well.

All I can say is that acting like a mature adult should not require the second-by-second knowledge that I'm gonna come for you if you act like a retard.

This is a bannable offense, I should point out, that Spanky's committed. I do not know if it'll come to that... My opinions are skewed by my sense of honour being maligned.. But it's not like anyone can be under the impression that large postcounts or long board membership is some kind of shield.

I'm glad you're not going to lose sleep over this. I hope the other ladies feel the same way; it will be a big help in ensuring that in future, less derailed threads can exist.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Who are in the AYVB? I've read about them a few times but I do not know who's in it.

Read the thread. Shinova asked, and the acronym explains what they are quite well.

I know what it means, I meant who are in the Angry Young Virgins Brigade?

The AYVB started when aerius posted a lot of braggart threads in a few days and someone made a joke about us joining forces, someone came up with the name, I agreed with it and it was born(although I some how lost out leadership). DPDarkPrimus I think was the head til Mayabird and he copulated, I don't know who afterwards then. It wasn't a usergroup, it wasn't really anything but something in our sigs.

Then, atleast I assume, someone that was a AYVB did something creepy-pervy, and then everyone that did something creepy-perv(AYVB or not) was labeled AYVB and every creepy-pervy drama was blamed on the AYVB as a whole.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Okay, I've actually been staying out of this thread frankly because I was afraid. Actually, I was more or less completely terrified, that if I tried to defend what I did, I would be swarmed and have no hope, or simply that something disasterous would happen. I also waited in hopes that things would calm down a little by the time I worked up the courage to face things.

So now that I'm here, I'm going to first off say that I will not defend myself. It's obviously too late for that, and I already know that what I did was stupid, so there really is nothing for me to defend anyway.

Instead, I'm here to apologise.

I have already apologised to Mrs Kendall, and have also sent an apology to Cpl Kendall. And right now I apologise to them both again, publically.

And to everyone else, I apologise. I apologise to the participants in the cleavage thread as well as those who were viewing and enjoying the thread in a mature and behaved manner. I am sorry that what I did served as the catalyst for wrecking the experience.

I truly apologise with the upmost sincerity and humility.

Additionally, I think I will take some advice and take a break from the board for a while.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Ok, I just wanna say that I know that this has happened because there was a few warnings and people didn't listen, but seeing as though I forgot that SirNitrams post existed once all the pics were being posted then I can only imagine that some others forgot it was there as well.

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Now please don't razz on me for being kind to Spanky. I just know how I feel and I wanted to make it known.

The problem is that people here have been warned, repeatedly, not to pull this sort thing. One would think, that, with all the warnings in Announcements, and in AMP, that people would think twice. And it's not been that long since the Aphrodite thread fiasco, where we witnessed AYVB behavior cause the banning of beauty pagent/contest threads.

Yes, you might've been able to take it in stride, but that may not have been the case with another female in your position.

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Really, something for you AYVs to consider. If you want to make a comment, or ask something of them . . . if you would feel guilty about saying those things to a live woman in slapping distance, then you should probably keep your mouth shut. If you think you're going to be cute and make a request to the woman in question through PMs . . . ask yourself this. Is it a comment that is innocuous enough to be said publically? If it isn't. Then, once agan, you should probably keep your mouth shut.

[SirNitram]

Additionally, I think I will take some advice and take a break from the board for a while.

And here is where I come in.

Since you apologized, I'm not going to advocate you be banned. You'l probably be punished.. You committed an instant-ban offense.. But apologies do mean something. But I cannot, obviously, speak on what the whole moderating staff will do.

As for myself, here is what I have to say. Take it as advice, take it a penance for your monumental fuck up. I don't care.

Go somewhere social. Break yourself of your fucking AYV ways, and that is by actual human experience. I don't give a fuck if it's hard. I went through just as hard. And don't start on any kind of psychological excuses; I can trump whatever you have. And I did it.

And thus my job is done.

[Mrs Kendall]

All I can say is that acting like a mature adult should not require the second-by-second knowledge that I'm gonna come for you if you act like a retard.

Yeah, I understand and agree with that.

This is a bannable offense, I should point out, that Spanky's committed. I do not know if it'll come to that... My opinions are skewed by my sense of honour being maligned.. But it's not like anyone can be under the impression that large postcounts or long board membership is some kind of shield.

ok, this is fair.

I'm glad you're not going to lose sleep over this. I hope the other ladies feel the same way; it will be a big help in ensuring that in future, less derailed threads can exist.

Yeah, I figured something like this would happen when I got so many compliments. I'm sorry I'm so hot
All kidding aside, I agree with you totally. I hope my fellow ladies are ok. I know Avalon is

[Mrs Kendall]

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Thanks Spanky.

[Mrs Kendall]

The problem is that people here have been warned, repeatedly, not to pull this sort thing.

Understood.

One would think, that, with all the warnings in Announcements...

do people actually read thgose these days? kidding.. sorry.

and in AMP, that people would think twice. And it's not been that long since the Aphrodite thread fiasco, where we witnessed AYVB behavior cause the banning of beauty pagent/contest threads.

I don't even remember seeing that. Wow. I guess I'm not as in touch with the board as I thought I was.

Yes, you might've been able to take it in stride, but that may not have been the case with another female in your position.

Yeah I understand that. I did say I don't disagree with what's going on, I just wanted my views to be known that's all.

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Really, something for you AYVs to consider. If you want to make a comment, or ask something of them . . . if you would feel guilty about saying those things to a live woman in slapping distance, then you should probably keep your mouth shut. If you think you're going to be cute and make a request to the woman in question through PMs . . . ask yourself this. Is it a comment that is innocuous enough to be said publically? If it isn't. Then, once agan, you should probably keep your mouth shut.

Really good advice there!!