Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Greater Daemon of Khorne

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Re: Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Greater Daemon of Khorne

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Block wrote:Well, don't forget that the runes on their armor make Bloodthirsters immune to non-Psyk based ranged weapons. So Stark would have to win in melee.
Are you sure? Because said runes tend to make psykers blow up if they target a greater Khornate daemon, but say nothing about non-psychic weaponry in the rules. :P
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Re: Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Greater Daemon of Khorne

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Rogue 9 wrote:
Block wrote:Well, don't forget that the runes on their armor make Bloodthirsters immune to non-Psyk based ranged weapons. So Stark would have to win in melee.
Are you sure? Because said runes tend to make psykers blow up if they target a greater Khornate daemon, but say nothing about non-psychic weaponry in the rules. :P
Oh I'm talking about Grey Knight and Daemonhunter type weapons. Psycannons, nemesis weapons, etc.
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Re: Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Greater Daemon of Khorne

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The only thing that could possibly stop the Hulk from falling to Khorne in a matter of minutes would be tapping into the power of the WAAAGH! And I don't think Hulk is fun-loving enough to do that.
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Pissed off Hulk (one which taking a step or two would have destroyed Earth), versus a high end Bloodthirster. L(
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The question is not if the Hulk would fall to Khorne. It's if he would stop there, or if in rage he would get corrupted into a mindless war machine that in the end would challenge and defeat the god of rage him self.
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Purple wrote:The question is not if the Hulk would fall to Khorne. It's if he would stop there, or if in rage he would get corrupted into a mindless war machine that in the end would challenge and defeat the god of rage him self.
that's pretty much impossible, would like being so excessive that Slaneesh would say "jeez man cut it down a bit", being so diseased that Nurgle would avoid you or being such a goo0d plotter that Thzeench would be nothing but a pawn to you.

Khorne is the literal enbodiment of rage and fury, angrier a corrupted Hulk would get the stronger Khorne would get, it's near impossible for anyone to beat one of the chaos gods at their own game, it's for all intents and purposes totally impossible for a mortal (which the Hulk in the end is). To date only 3 entities(that I know of) have challenged the Blood God and lived (sort of) to tell the tale first was one of his own Bloodthirsters and that was curbstomp battle that Khorne won reducing the daemon into a rage filled shadow of it's former self, second was the Eldar God of War Khaine who broken into his Avatars (or more exactly their spirits) and third was the God Emperor who never faced Khorne directly but it was implied that he was a threat big enough for all of the chaos gods to ally with each other, something that happens very rarely.
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I am not really knowledgeable about the Hulk but isn't he the embodiment of rage and fury? Like the angrier he gets the stronger he gets ad infinitum? Would the two not simply fall into a newer ending feedback loop than?
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Purple wrote:I am not really knowledgeable about the Hulk but isn't he the embodiment of rage and fury? Like the angrier he gets the stronger he gets ad infinitum? Would the two not simply fall into a newer ending feedback loop than?
There has to be a limit. He might be very angry and very strong, but Khorne is an actual God, not just a rage-monster. In terms of combat and weaponry he can tell the laws of physics to shove it. Hulk simply can't match that, no matter how strong he is.

For instance, his skin seems extremely resistant to weaponry, but Daemon weapons aren't always physically there. Imagine Khorne's axe passing through Hulk's skin as if it were only a hologram, before becoming "real" just in time to hit his internal organs.

Or Khorne can always go for attrition with Bloodthirsters and other demons, in Avengers 1 Hulk was getting worn down by the Chitauri. Khorne has no such limitations.
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Shows what I know I guess. I always figured that the Hulk was a walking no limits fallacy and that could if angered enough just become infinitely powerful.
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Purple wrote:Shows what I know I guess. I always figured that the Hulk was a walking no limits fallacy and that could if angered enough just become infinitely powerful.
he's though and strong but in the end he's a enhanced mortal (and enhanced by science not magic)
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I am going to bow out now lest I insult comic book fans. Because from my perspective comic book science is just dressed up magic. And it is no less magical than the warp is scientific.
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If we still want a physical battle, then maybe Juggernaut would be a better test for a Bloodthirster? His powers are magic-based, giving him protection from magic and psionics, and he has an obscene upper limit of power (which Marko doesn't always know how to access). When the Cyttorak Gem is pumping out full power, Juggernaut can bash holes in space-time.
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Re: Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Greater Daemon of Khorne

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Juggernaut versus a Bloodthirster would be... very interesting.

The Blob would be a pretty perfect host for a Great Unclean One.

If we want to play heroes in 40K... plop Thor in the middle of some Space Wolves, they'd think he was Russ reincarnated or something, especially if you used one of the more feral/Norse designs with a beard, braids, lots of runes and knotwork. The hammer might throw them (Russ traditionally uses a sword IIRC) but they wouldn't care too much. Captain America would be a perfect leader figure for the Imperial Guard, but he's kinda low-key as far as that goes. Hawkeye and Black Widow would fit in well with the Officio Assassinorum or the Inquisition, and the Mechanicus would give their very last cog to get their dendrites on Iron Man. Scarlet Witch... well... she's a witch. Off to the burning! (though if her powers aren't psyker based, that would be of high interest to the Inquisition)

Spider-Man wouldn't really fit in well anywhere. Minor protector of a hive-city, perhaps. His rogue's gallery could be various hive-city gangers with various upgrades. The Fantastic Four almost fit the mould of an Inquisitorial team fairly well-- savant, sneak/psyker, soldier, muscle. Doom is DOOM! He could probably engineer his way to taking over a hive-world, and from there, an entire sector... with his magical powers plus technological knowledge, he'd be a hell of a Magos crossed with an Inquisitor. Definitely at high risk of corruption by Tzeentchi cults, though. Dr. Strange? Witch. Definitely a witch, in conjunction with heretical daemons as well (Agamotto, Hoggoth, the Vishanti, Dormammu, and so forth). The X-Men... well, mutants. To the down-hive and the various purges thereof. Wolverine would be at risk for Khornate corruption. Emma Frost is definitely a Slaaneshi. Xavier... extremely strong telepathic psyker. Magneto, telekinetic psyker.

I must admit I've considered modeling a few 40K figs as Avengers...
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