Japan Wins the World Cup!

[Havok]

And even in this Crisis of American Faith, we still won't show the CFL.

[Crown]

All those sports still have extra time instead of going straight to a shootout and in hockey games can run over double the normal length in the playoffs. The same goes for baseball.

Football also has extra time (called extra time) before going to a penalty shoot out in elimination tournaments. Wow, nice fail there troll.

You're also a moron, for thinking that I'm American when it clearly says where I'm from in my location tag.

No, I'm not a moron, just someone who couldn't give two shits about you. I didn't even care enough to look at your location when I cock slapped your stupidity out of the park. And to be honest, you should be grateful that I bothered reading it this time.

Odd that you didn't even try to for cheap shot at hockey,

You trailed off 3/4 different sports, I picked the first one I knew something about; the 10mins of action. QQ that it stumped you so fucking hard.

where players come back after taking shots that cost them teeth, or need stitches, where you play with dislocated shoulders and herniated backs. When was the last time a little footie player played most of a season with an injury that needs major surgery? How often are they screaming in pain from cortisone shots between sections of a game because they have broken ribs and are still throwing body checks?

Actually it used to happen all the fucking time in the past until it was decided, hey you can have a substitution. Gerry Byrne played 87mins of normal time plus 30min of extra time with a snapped collar bone in the 1965 FA Cup Final.

Your epic fail in knowing anything about football only underlines how pathetic you are when making your 'points'.

According to that ESPN study hockey is 'tougher', but if you look at the table provided soccer players have a higher endurance rating. Not as much as I expected they would, but it is higher. Course, there's all sorts of questions marks over the study...but it's pretty funny seeing you getting your figures so consistently wrong.

They do show higher endurance than other sports though so my claim is still true. Besides, they are overall more highly ranked than soccer players and we can still show that they are capable of doing things like the Grouse Grind that shows they can run long distances up a mountain. I'd still ask a soccer player to lace up skates and take a few shots and then ask the hockey player to take a few passes and free kicks on a pitch. Who do you guess would on average do better?

I have serious question for both of you; why the hell are you all even using this 'study' as any kind of meaningful evidence to begin with? Have you noticed that they've given Ice Hockey players greater strength, power and agility than gymnasts ... ? HOW THE FUCK does anyone have greater 'strength' than someone who can raise and hold their entire body weight in a crucifix position with just their upper body? HOW THE FUCK does anyone have greater 'agility' than someone who is able to twist their body in mid air and land on their feet without breaking their fucking spine? HOW THE FUCK is 'power' even calculated on so many dis-similar sports?

And then it has the category of 'hand eye coordination' and apparently footballers who play a game exclusively with their feet, don't test as well as Ice Hockey players who hold a big stick to hit a small object.

I could go on, but I'm sure my point is made;

[Havok]

Actually, Crown, there is a show called 'Sports Science' that does indeed give all those things quantifiers and calculations. Pretty neat. You should check it out. Not to deflate your points at all.

NORADE IS A FUCKING TOOL!!!

[Crown]

Actually, Crown, there is a show called 'Sports Science' that does indeed give all those things quantifiers and calculations. Pretty neat. You should check it out. Not to deflate your points at all.

NORADE IS A FUCKING TOOL!!!

I'm sure they've done something to arrive to those conclusions, I'm asking what their methodology was? For example taking the strength point, did they just get an Ice Hockey player and a gymnast in and see who could bench the most? Is that what they used? Because that's the only way I could imagine that an Ice Hockey (or any other sport player) could possibly beat a male gymnast in 'strength'. For crying out loud, just looking at a men's rings performance should automatically raise eyebrows at gymnastics scaling on that stat.

The can hold their entire body weight in a crucifix position (both vertical and horizontal) by gripping onto rings. No bullshit ESPN study is gonna tell me that display of strength ranks lower than; basketball, cycling (distance), water polo, pole vaulting, etc, etc.

[thejester]

I have serious question for both of you; why the hell are you all even using this 'study' as any kind of meaningful evidence to begin with? Have you noticed that they've given Ice Hockey players greater strength, power and agility than gymnasts ... ? HOW THE FUCK does anyone have greater 'strength' than someone who can raise and hold their entire body weight in a crucifix position with just their upper body? HOW THE FUCK does anyone have greater 'agility' than someone who is able to twist their body in mid air and land on their feet without breaking their fucking spine? HOW THE FUCK is 'power' even calculated on so many dis-similar sports?

Yeah you should probably read all of my posts before spitting the dummy - I noted that there were serious question marks over the study at the start. Not that it really matters, cause as I pointed out Norade's own evidence doesn't actually support his conclusions.

And then it has the category of 'hand eye coordination' and apparently footballers who play a game exclusively with their feet, don't test as well as Ice Hockey players who hold a big stick to hit a small object.

I could go on, but I'm sure my point is made;

Deliberate attempt to lower yourself to Norade's level, or....?

I'm sure there's a test out there for hand-eye co-ordination, but in the interim I don't think it's an outrageous conclusion to reach when you look at stuff like this:

I would have thought handling a puck with a hockey stick on ice would be a more demanding test of hand-eye than kicking a ball, particularly when you're doing shit like kuzntesov did and travelling at the speed hockey players do.

[Crown]

Yeah you should probably read all of my posts before spitting the dummy - I noted that there were serious question marks over the study at the start. Not that it really matters, cause as I pointed out Norade's own evidence doesn't actually support his conclusions.

I wasn't spitting the dummy at you, I was incredulous that you were even giving any merit to it at all. Norade is trolling, don't humour him, mock him.

Deliberate attempt to lower yourself to Norade's level, or....?

I'm sure there's a test out there for hand-eye co-ordination, but in the interim I don't think it's an outrageous conclusion to reach when you look at stuff like this:
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I would have thought handling a puck with a hockey stick on ice would be a more demanding test of hand-eye than kicking a ball, particularly when you're doing shit like kuzntesov did and travelling at the speed hockey players do.

You're missing my point; the fact that that stat exists only further skews this 'study' to Ice Hockey's favour, ask yourself why there isn't a 'foot-eye' co-ordination stat? I have no problem with the claim that Ice Hockey players have better hand-eye co-ordination (I would have thought that would have been fucking self evident).

I'm pointing out the utter rubbish nature of this study, I would have thought that would have been obvious. Check it out; 'soccer' has better hand-eye co-ordination than golf .. whaaa?

Either way, I think it's pretty safe to agree that we don't actually disagree, no?

[Crown]

Played soccer when I was younger, then was part of the track team in middle school, before trying my hand at hockey when I was sixteen. So please, do try and pick on somebody who actually meets your expectations.

[Havok]

Actually, Crown, there is a show called 'Sports Science' that does indeed give all those things quantifiers and calculations. Pretty neat. You should check it out. Not to deflate your points at all.

NORADE IS A FUCKING TOOL!!!

I'm sure they've done something to arrive to those conclusions, I'm asking what their methodology was? For example taking the strength point, did they just get an Ice Hockey player and a gymnast in and see who could bench the most? Is that what they used? Because that's the only way I could imagine that an Ice Hockey (or any other sport player) could possibly beat a male gymnast in 'strength'. For crying out loud, just looking at a men's rings performance should automatically raise eyebrows at gymnastics scaling on that stat.

The can hold their entire body weight in a crucifix position (both vertical and horizontal) by gripping onto rings. No bullshit ESPN study is gonna tell me that display of strength ranks lower than; basketball, cycling (distance), water polo, pole vaulting, etc, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_Scie ... _series%29

Check it out before you label it "a bullshit ESPN study" as you sound just as fucking ignorant as Norade with all the baseless assumptions you just made in that post.

[Crown]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_Scie ... _series%29

Check it out before you label it "a bullshit ESPN study" as you sound just as fucking ignorant as Norade with all the baseless assumptions you just made in that post.

Thanks for the the link, and I didn't make any 'baseless assumptions' I asked specific questions on what their methodology was to determine these stats. Because without knowing that, you can't actually derive any kind of meaningful reading from them. Like I said, I can imagine a Ice Hockey player benching more than a gymnast, but is that a true 'measure' in terms of pound for pound?

And quite frankly it deserves to be asked when they put distance cycling as a greater strength tally than gymnast, because we can all agree that we're not gonna see many Tour de France winners that are gonna be bench pressing more than a gymnast, so it brings me back to 'how were these figures derived?'

No need to get your knickers in a twist.

Yeah I'm calling ever more bullshit with the ESPN rankings as provided in this thread;

[Big Phil]

And your average hockey player would suck at sumo wrestling... should we therefore take your absurd dick waving to mean that sumo wrestlers are tougher than hockey players, or better athletes? Christ you're a dildo

In a specific situation the hockey player would lose. I think he would be better at sumo than a sumo player would be at hockey though. Just like hockey players are better at soccer than soccer players are at hockey.

You've completely lost track of the bullshit you've been spewing, haven't you? Your original troll was "soccer players are pussies" but now you've shifted from "soccer players are pussies" to "hockey players can play soccer." You lack even a basic understanding of the effort involved in professional soccer, mischaracterizing it as "jogging a few kilometers and then standing around waiting for a pass," while placing above that the athletic skills of the hockey players whose cocks you sucked in the locker room so they wouldn't kick your ass on the ice. Hockey is a contact sport... so are football, rugby, MMA, boxing, etc. No SHIT that hockey players, football players, etc., are better able to be tackled by large, sweaty men than soccer players.

Between that and your pathetic "I played grade school soccer, and I was never tired" to "I played high school hockey, so I'm a MAN!" we're all laughing our asses off at your pathetic attempts to compensate for having a small penis.

It's too bad the Canadian men's soccer team isn't recruiting from the NHL. The world would be in serious trouble were a team of hockey players to take up soccer, because the ability to body check is so fucking important in soccer...

Hockey in Canada doesn't have much of a following. However we can show that hockey players can play better soccer than soccer players can play hockey.

And "we" can do that how? Based on your say so? And it's relevant to your "soccer players are pussies" bullshit how?

Based on your posting in this thread, I'm guessing you're a hardcore fan of Deadliest Warrior, and you probably believe that the show is totally for real and not bullshit drama for TV. Dan Dan the Ninja Man, is that you?

[Thunderfire]

What about it, besides the god awful location and droning noise was so special? Who played through it with herniated discs, broken bones, and separated shoulders?

A broken neck counts?

With 17 minutes of the match remaining Trautmann suffered a serious injury after diving at the feet of Birmingham City's Peter Murphy. Despite his injury he continued to play, making crucial saves to preserve his team's 3–1 lead. His neck was noticeably crooked as he collected his winner's medal; three days later an X-ray revealed it to be broken.

[Mr. Coffee]

Why don't you guys just save each other some time and whip it out and compare dicks already?

[Big Phil]

Why don't you guys just save each other some time and whip it out and compare dicks already?

Just go to http://www.lexsteele.com... mine's twice that size

[Crown]

Why don't you guys just save each other some time and whip it out and compare dicks already?

Only because you asked so nicely;



Being modest in my budgie smugglers.

[Flagg]

Back on the actual topic: MSNBC

Is media giving U.S. women’s soccer team a free pass for its World Cup Fail?

Rick Chandler

Jul 18, 2011, 4:14 PM EDT

Consider this: LeBron James is playing for the U.S. men’s national basketball team. He goes 0-for-8 from the field and 1-for-3 from the line down the stretch, and the U.S. loses to Germany, 94-91 (Nowitzki celebrates again!), in the championship game. Can you imagine the dump truck-load of grief he and his teammates would receive in the media? For one thing, he wouldn’t be allowed back into this country, except disguised as a woman (imagine the confusion in the TSA pat-down line). The smoke and heat from all the LeBron jerseys being burned would melt the polar ice cap, resulting in catastrophic flooding. It could quite literally be the end of the world as we know it.

But when it comes to Abby Wambach or Hope Solo or any other of the U.S. women’s soccer team who blew it against Japan on Sunday, the media has been much more forgiving. Why?

It’s true that the U.S. did beat Brazil, in what the media dubbed the “Miracle on Grass”: Although I think that more aptly applies to this story about Charlie Sheen getting a new sitcom. The U.S. played well in this World Cup, up until the final game.

Then they blew it. After missing numerous scoring opportunities, and losing two one-goal leads in regulation vs. Japan, the U.S. converted only one penalty kick to lose the shootout, 3-1. The prevailing sentiment in the media? ‘That’s OK, you did well, and the Olympics are coming up.’

In other words: You played pretty well … for a girl.

They were saying and writing this in all corners of the media today. In fact, the only really harsh criticism of the U.S. team that I’ve seen so far has come from ESPN’s Tommy Smyth, who said, entertainingly, that the U.S. women “Couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with a cannon.”

And he’s right, they couldn’t. Smyth also criticized the U.S. coaching (and rightly so), saying that with a late 2-1 lead, they should have been a lot less aggressive:

“You put your foot on the ball, you move it around amongst yourselves, and I’m not sure what the American coach was doing.”

This sounds much harsher when said in an Irish accent.

OK, the New York Post’s headline: Kicked in the Grass, was pretty critical. But it didn’t even rate a full cover: Most of the page was taken up by the Yankees’ search for another pitcher.

Here’s the thing: This World Cup was supposed to be the next big step for women’s soccer in the U.S. It was supposed to create all these new fans, and help put the sport on a lower shelf at the sports supermarket, along with basketball, hockey and those Mint Oreos you always buy.

You know how I know that didn’t happen? Because they lost a championship they should have won, and nobody really cared. “Oh that’s OK, they played hard” is a great observation if your team of choice is the Purple Ladybugs, who just lost the under-10 AYSO girls championship. But if you get that kind of sentiment when your team is representing the entire nation, that means your sport is still second rate.

More people were worried about getting Harry Potter tickets on Sunday than they were worried about the women losing. Women’s soccer will never be taken seriously until we see unwarranted displays of anger when our team fails. And that goes especially for the media, which overreacts to everything.

Where are the YouTube videos of some fan going nuts and destroying his TV over this loss? Where are the disconsolate Hope Solo fans rolling on the floor in agony? In Vancouver they’ve rioted for much less.

Then there was this headline today in The Onion: SPORTSWIRE: Women’s World Cup Sets Record For Most Creepy Tweets During One Event.

So few really care, and if they do it’s only for prurient reasons.

Women’s sports will never achieve full equality until some of their teams are unfairly criticized on SportsCenter, or mocked by The Onion for reasons besides sex. And as the Women’s World Cup has shown us, we’re not there yet. Not even close.

[Soontir C'boath]

Which follows nicely this article where it reports that the final was the highest-rating soccer match on ESPN at 13.5 million viewers. It apparently beat the MLB All Star Game as well.

2011 Women’s World Cup Finals: ESPN’s Most-Viewed and Highest-Rated Soccer Match Ever Averaging 13.5 Million Viewers
By
Robert Seidman
– July 18, 2011Posted in: Network TV Press Releases, TV Sports Ratings & News

via press release:

2011 Women’s World Cup Finals: ESPN’s Most-Viewed and Highest-Rated Soccer Match

Sixth Most-Viewed Soccer Telecast in U.S.; Second Most-Watched Daytime Program in Cable History;

Record Audience for a Women’s Sports Event on ESPN3.com

Sunday’s 2011 FIFA Women’s World Cup Finals between the United States and Japan – which crowned Japan as tournament champion on a penalty shootout after the match ended in a 2-2 tie – was seen by an average 13.458 million viewers, based on a 7.4 U.S. household rating (8.58 million household impressions), making it the most-watched and highest-rated soccer telecast on an ESPN network, based on fast nationals by the Nielsen Company.

The USA-Japan thriller bests the USA-Algeria men’s match (June 23, 2010) from last summer’s FIFA World Cup, which set the previous ESPN records for both ratings and viewership – 6.16 million viewers, based on a 4.0 household U.S. rating (4.58 million households).

The match also ranks as the sixth most-viewed soccer telecast ever in the United States.

Code: Select all

Most-Viewed Soccer Events in the United States:
Date	Match	Network	U.S. Rating 	P2+ (Viewers)
Sat., July 10, 1999	USA vs. China – Final	ABC	11.4	17,975,000
Sun., July 11, 2010	Netherlands vs. Spain – Final	ABC	8.4	15,905,000
Sat., June 26, 2010	USA vs. Ghana – Round of 16	ABC	8.5	15,193,000
Sun., July 17, 1994	Italy vs. Brazil – Final	ABC	9.5	14,510,000
Mon., July 4, 1994	Brazil vs. USA – Round of 16	ABC	9.3	13,694,000
Sun., July 17, 2011	USA vs. Japan – Final	ESPN	7.4  	13,458,000
Sun., July 9, 2006	Italy vs. France – Final	ABC	7.0	11,961,000

Additional highlights from yesterday’s Finals:

The second most-watched daytime telecast (Monday – Sunday, 6 a.m. – 6 p.m.) in cable history, behind the Rose Bowl on ESPN (20.557 million viewers on Jan. 1, 2011).
The sixth most-watched cable telecast of the year;
Excluding NFL games, the fifth most-watched sports telecast on ESPN, trailing only the 2011 BCS games.

Baltimore was the top market for yesterday’s Women’s World Cup Finals, delivering a 12.3 rating. Rounding out the top five were: San Diego (11.8 ), West Palm Beach (11.7), Washington, D.C. (11.5), and Norfolk, Va. (11.1).

Digital – USA-Japan Delivers Record Audience for Women’s Sports on ESPN3.com:

The thrilling Women’s World Cup Finals delivered over 548,000 unique viewers on ESPN3.com, the most ever for a women’s sporting event, and the second largest audience for a non-2010 FIFA World Cup event on the broadband sports network. Additionally, it ranks eighth overall among all events on ESPN3.com.

Across ESPN3.com, ESPNnetworks.com and the WatchESPN app, the game logged a total of 38.6 million minutes consumed, ranking third overall for all non-2010 FIFA World Cup events. The iPad logged the highest average time spent viewing an event via the WatchESPN app at 38 minutes on ESPN3.

From June 26 to July 17, Women’s World Cup content across ESPN.com, ESPNsoccernet and espnW.com generated 16 million page views and 12 million visits. On ESPN Mobile, fans followed the championship game live via Gamecast, which was visited 739,000 times yesterday.

[Norade]

And your average hockey player would suck at sumo wrestling... should we therefore take your absurd dick waving to mean that sumo wrestlers are tougher than hockey players, or better athletes? Christ you're a dildo

In a specific situation the hockey player would lose. I think he would be better at sumo than a sumo player would be at hockey though. Just like hockey players are better at soccer than soccer players are at hockey.

You've completely lost track of the bullshit you've been spewing, haven't you? Your original troll was "soccer players are pussies" but now you've shifted from "soccer players are pussies" to "hockey players can play soccer." You lack even a basic understanding of the effort involved in professional soccer, mischaracterizing it as "jogging a few kilometers and then standing around waiting for a pass," while placing above that the athletic skills of the hockey players whose cocks you sucked in the locker room so they wouldn't kick your ass on the ice. Hockey is a contact sport... so are football, rugby, MMA, boxing, etc. No SHIT that hockey players, football players, etc., are better able to be tackled by large, sweaty men than soccer players.

Between that and your pathetic "I played grade school soccer, and I was never tired" to "I played high school hockey, so I'm a MAN!" we're all laughing our asses off at your pathetic attempts to compensate for having a small penis.

I was showing that not only are they tougher, but that they can also play a more highly skilled sport that a soccer player can't. It doesn't take a genius to see which sport has tougher, fitter, and more skilled athletes when one sport uses the other as a warm up before games. I'd like to see soccer players say they play hockey to warm up for a match, but it's no big deal when hockey players bust out a ball and kick it around in the hallway. The skills needed for hockey translate well to other sports, the skills in soccer are kick a ball, and not grabbing it with your hands.

And "we" can do that how? Based on your say so? And it's relevant to your "soccer players are pussies" bullshit how?

Based on your posting in this thread, I'm guessing you're a hardcore fan of Deadliest Warrior, and you probably believe that the show is totally for real and not bullshit drama for TV. Dan Dan the Ninja Man, is that you?

Ask a top soccer player to lace up skates, then ask a top hockey player to kick a ball around. One falls on his face on the ice, the other has a warmup before playing a real sport.

[Norade]

What about it, besides the god awful location and droning noise was so special? Who played through it with herniated discs, broken bones, and separated shoulders?

A broken neck counts?

With 17 minutes of the match remaining Trautmann suffered a serious injury after diving at the feet of Birmingham City's Peter Murphy. Despite his injury he continued to play, making crucial saves to preserve his team's 3–1 lead. His neck was noticeably crooked as he collected his winner's medal; three days later an X-ray revealed it to be broken.

How common is that versus the injuries we see disclosed after each NHL playoff series ends?

[Norade]

You're missing my point; the fact that that stat exists only further skews this 'study' to Ice Hockey's favour, ask yourself why there isn't a 'foot-eye' co-ordination stat? I have no problem with the claim that Ice Hockey players have better hand-eye co-ordination (I would have thought that would have been fucking self evident).

I'm pointing out the utter rubbish nature of this study, I would have thought that would have been obvious. Check it out; 'soccer' has better hand-eye co-ordination than golf .. whaaa?

Either way, I think it's pretty safe to agree that we don't actually disagree, no?

Kicking a ball, and missing a huge net takes far less overall coordination that preforming a deke, dodging a check, or even just making a pass on a full speed hockey play. I can also see why soccer would have to have a higher level of hand eye skill than golf, if gold you have time to line up your shot, other sports require you to do that while moving flat out. They also don't usually involve hurting your back while standing mostly still.

[Big Phil]

I was showing that not only are they tougher, but that they can also play a more highly skilled sport that a soccer player can't. It doesn't take a genius to see which sport has tougher, fitter, and more skilled athletes when one sport uses the other as a warm up before games. I'd like to see soccer players say they play hockey to warm up for a match, but it's no big deal when hockey players bust out a ball and kick it around in the hallway. The skills needed for hockey translate well to other sports, the skills in soccer are kick a ball, and not grabbing it with your hands.

Are you fucking serious? Are you telling me that hockey players are playing soccer to warm up at a professional level? Are you that fucking retarded? Any idiot (and I will refer to you as Exhibit A) can kick a ball around... that does not make them a professional soccer player.

Except, of course, for you Canadian super hockeymen, who are faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

And "we" can do that how? Based on your say so? And it's relevant to your "soccer players are pussies" bullshit how?

Based on your posting in this thread, I'm guessing you're a hardcore fan of Deadliest Warrior, and you probably believe that the show is totally for real and not bullshit drama for TV. Dan Dan the Ninja Man, is that you?

Ask a top soccer player to lace up skates, then ask a top hockey player to kick a ball around. One falls on his face, the other has a warmup before playing a real sport.

Dan Dan the Ninja Man, are you smoking your magic ninja dust again? Skating is a skill... if someone has never learned to ice skate, OF COURSE they're going to fall down. What that has to do with athletic ability or the skills involved in playing soccer at a professional level is beyond me. I can only assume that in your masturbatory fantasy we all bow down to your superior Canadian debating skills and recognize hockey to be the greatest of all sports.

Or I could just flat out make shit up like you like to do - this isn't as stupid an analogy as I'm sure you could come up with, but it'll have to do on short notice:

Ask a top water polo player to lace up skates, then ask a top hockey player to jump in the pool. One skates circles around his competition because water polo players are fucking gods, the other drowns in the shallow end of the pool because he doesn't know how to swim.

[Norade]

I was showing that not only are they tougher, but that they can also play a more highly skilled sport that a soccer player can't. It doesn't take a genius to see which sport has tougher, fitter, and more skilled athletes when one sport uses the other as a warm up before games. I'd like to see soccer players say they play hockey to warm up for a match, but it's no big deal when hockey players bust out a ball and kick it around in the hallway. The skills needed for hockey translate well to other sports, the skills in soccer are kick a ball, and not grabbing it with your hands.

Are you fucking serious? Are you telling me that hockey players are playing soccer to warm up at a professional level? Are you that fucking retarded? Any idiot (and I will refer to you as Exhibit A) can kick a ball around... that does not make them a professional soccer player.

Except, of course, for you Canadian super hockeymen, who are faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

I never said they played at a pro level, though some of them could surely make a Canadina team like the Vancouver Whitecaps if they wanted to take a pay cut. What it does show is that one game can be played by any retard with a ball, yourself being a prime example. Playing hockey isn not something I think you would be able to do.

Dan Dan the Ninja Man, are you smoking your magic ninja dust again? Skating is a skill... if someone has never learned to ice skate, OF COURSE they're going to fall down. What that has to do with athletic ability or the skills involved in playing soccer at a professional level is beyond me. I can only assume that in your masturbatory fantasy we all bow down to your superior Canadian debating skills and recognize hockey to be the greatest of all sports.

Or I could just flat out make shit up like you like to do - this isn't as stupid an analogy as I'm sure you could come up with, but it'll have to do on short notice:

Ask a top water polo player to lace up skates, then ask a top hockey player to jump in the pool. One skates circles around his competition because water polo players are fucking gods, the other drowns in the shallow end of the pool because he doesn't know how to swim.

Given that any moron can walk and kick a ball, and not every moron can skate or shoot a puck. It shows a skill floor difference between the sports. You can walk into playing soccer with no skills besides running and kicking ball and be playing at a low level the same day. If you tried that with hckey you'd be on your as from trying to make a simple passing play.

I think most hockey players can swim better than a water polo player can skate. Swimming is easier than skating as well as most of us will naturally float in water. Most won't naturally know how to stay upright or stop on skates.

[Big Phil]

I was showing that not only are they tougher, but that they can also play a more highly skilled sport that a soccer player can't. It doesn't take a genius to see which sport has tougher, fitter, and more skilled athletes when one sport uses the other as a warm up before games. I'd like to see soccer players say they play hockey to warm up for a match, but it's no big deal when hockey players bust out a ball and kick it around in the hallway. The skills needed for hockey translate well to other sports, the skills in soccer are kick a ball, and not grabbing it with your hands.

Are you fucking serious? Are you telling me that hockey players are playing soccer to warm up at a professional level? Are you that fucking retarded? Any idiot (and I will refer to you as Exhibit A) can kick a ball around... that does not make them a professional soccer player.

Except, of course, for you Canadian super hockeymen, who are faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

I never said they played at a pro level, though some of them could surely make a Canadina team like the Vancouver Whitecaps if they wanted to take a pay cut. What it does show is that one game can be played by any retard with a ball, yourself being a prime example. Playing hockey isn not something I think you would be able to do.

You're trying to equate bush league warm up soccer played by Canadian hockey players with professional level soccer... without any evidence, other than your own masturbatory opinion. You don't know shit about soccer, the athleticism, mental ability, or experience required to be good at the sport, and yet you keep opening your mouth and spouting your uneducated opinion as if it matters.

I'm also guessing you don't know shit about hockey, but arguing with you about hockey would probably be like arguing with an alcoholic about alcohol. They think they're experts on fine wines and expensive liquor because they down a gallon of Old English every day.

In short, Dan Dan the Ninja Man, you're a fucking clown, and I've enjoyed verbally smacking you around, but it's getting really old.

Dan Dan the Ninja Man, are you smoking your magic ninja dust again? Skating is a skill... if someone has never learned to ice skate, OF COURSE they're going to fall down. What that has to do with athletic ability or the skills involved in playing soccer at a professional level is beyond me. I can only assume that in your masturbatory fantasy we all bow down to your superior Canadian debating skills and recognize hockey to be the greatest of all sports.

Or I could just flat out make shit up like you like to do - this isn't as stupid an analogy as I'm sure you could come up with, but it'll have to do on short notice:

Ask a top water polo player to lace up skates, then ask a top hockey player to jump in the pool. One skates circles around his competition because water polo players are fucking gods, the other drowns in the shallow end of the pool because he doesn't know how to swim.

Given that any moron can walk and kick a ball, and not every moron can skate or shoot a puck. It shows a skill floor difference between the sports. You can walk into playing soccer with no skills besides running and kicking ball and be playing at a low level the same day. If you tried that with hckey you'd be on your as from trying to make a simple passing play.

I think most hockey players can swim better than a water polo player can skate. Swimming is easier than skating as well as most of us will naturally float in water. Most won't naturally know how to stay upright or stop on skates.

Nice moving the goalposts, caribou fucker. Originally it was "soccer players are pussies," then it became "hockey players are the best athletes in the world," and now it's "hockey is tougher because you have to know how to hold a stick and skate."

What are you even trying to argue? That learning to skate is somewhat more difficult than learning to walk? Is that how pathetically far you've falling in your argument? I'm not sure there's even a counter to that... OF COURSE it's slightly more difficult to learn how to skate than to learn how walk (or run). What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Dan Dan the Ninja Man... if he can't skate, no one can.

[Norade]

You're trying to equate bush league warm up soccer played by Canadian hockey players with professional level soccer... without any evidence, other than your own masturbatory opinion. You don't know shit about soccer, the athleticism, mental ability, or experience required to be good at the sport, and yet you keep opening your mouth and spouting your uneducated opinion as if it matters.

I'm also guessing you don't know shit about hockey, but arguing with you about hockey would probably be like arguing with an alcoholic about alcohol. They think they're experts on fine wines and expensive liquor because they down a gallon of Old English every day.

In short, Dan Dan the Ninja Man, you're a fucking clown, and I've enjoyed verbally smacking you around, but it's getting really old.

I know enough to say that they don't play the game at full speed for even a larger percentage of it. That they are often seen standing around or lightly jogging. I've also seen them miss those massive as fuck nets repeatedly. The best soccer players can't even hit the net when they might only get a few shots per game. Fuck are they ever piss poor at aiming.

Also, ask away about hockey, I actually know my sport as well as others.

Nice moving the goalposts, caribou fucker. Originally it was "soccer players are pussies," then it became "hockey players are the best athletes in the world," and now it's "hockey is tougher because you have to know how to hold a stick and skate."

What are you even trying to argue? That learning to skate is somewhat more difficult than learning to walk? Is that how pathetically far you've falling in your argument? I'm not sure there's even a counter to that... OF COURSE it's slightly more difficult to learn how to skate than to learn how walk (or run). What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Dan Dan the Ninja Man... if he can't skate, no one can.

I never retracted the statement that soccer players are mostly diving pussies with a few examples of tougher players. I have shown that by an objective report hockey involves more raw athletic skill and more trained skill as well. You admit it yourself, skating takes more skill than running. Shooting a puck takes more skill than kicking a ball. Stopping a small puck moving at sometimes over 100km/h takes more skill than watching people miss a wide open net.

[Big Phil]

You're trying to equate bush league warm up soccer played by Canadian hockey players with professional level soccer... without any evidence, other than your own masturbatory opinion. You don't know shit about soccer, the athleticism, mental ability, or experience required to be good at the sport, and yet you keep opening your mouth and spouting your uneducated opinion as if it matters.

I'm also guessing you don't know shit about hockey, but arguing with you about hockey would probably be like arguing with an alcoholic about alcohol. They think they're experts on fine wines and expensive liquor because they down a gallon of Old English every day.

In short, Dan Dan the Ninja Man, you're a fucking clown, and I've enjoyed verbally smacking you around, but it's getting really old.

I know enough to say that they don't play the game at full speed for even a larger percentage of it. That they are often seen standing around or lightly jogging.

Look at the SKILL, the TALENT, the ATHLETICISM required to sit on the bench!

I've also seen them miss those massive as fuck nets repeatedly. The best soccer players can't even hit the net when they might only get a few shots per game. Fuck are they ever piss poor at aiming.

Nice moving the goalposts, caribou fucker. Originally it was "soccer players are pussies," then it became "hockey players are the best athletes in the world," and now it's "hockey is tougher because you have to know how to hold a stick and skate."

What are you even trying to argue? That learning to skate is somewhat more difficult than learning to walk? Is that how pathetically far you've falling in your argument? I'm not sure there's even a counter to that... OF COURSE it's slightly more difficult to learn how to skate than to learn how walk (or run). What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Dan Dan the Ninja Man... if he can't skate, no one can.

I never retracted the statement that soccer players are mostly diving pussies with a few examples of tougher players.

No, instead you just keep moving the goalposts, and can't seem to grasp that the physical attributes required to be a great soccer players are different from those required to be a great hockey player.

I wonder what you think about Wayne Gretzky? He couldn't fight worth shit, so he must have been an awful hockey player... at least he went on to become the World's Greatest Footballer after his hockey career ended.

I have shown that by an objective report hockey involves more raw athletic skill and more trained skill as well.

No you haven't... you stated your opinion that it did and then kept repeating it time after time after time

You admit it yourself, skating takes more skill than running.

Which has what to do with anything?

Shooting a puck takes more skill than kicking a ball.

It does? Based on what objective measure? Kicking a ball with accuracy and power isn't exactly easy, but I'm sure you know that since you played 5th grade soccer.

Stopping a small puck moving at sometimes over 100km/h takes more skill than watching people miss a wide open net.

Standing in front of something takes skill?

[Crown]

Kicking a ball, and missing a huge net takes far less overall coordination that preforming a deke, dodging a check, or even just making a pass on a full speed hockey play.

Critical thought is not only something that you clearly don't possess, but something that completely passed you by while flipping you the finger isn't it?

You quoted me discussing specifically hand-eye co-ordination, and you reply with; deke, dodging a check or making a pass in ice hockey. Only one of the three relates to hand-eye co-ordination (the last one just so we're clear) and we'll get to that in a moment. Now regarding to performing a deke & dodging a check this is not 'co-ordination' a stat that isn't present in your precious ESPN study, that would be a measure of 'agility'. Which they define as 'AGILITY: The ability to change direction quickly. Example: Derek Jeter, Mia Hamm.'.

And how do footballers rate compared to ice hockey players? Well, 8.25 for 'soccer' and 7.63 for ice hockey...

EDIT :: Forgot this part, in relation to it takes more hand-eye co-ordination to make an ice hockey pass than a football pass which is made with the feet ... no shit, really?

I can also see why soccer would have to have a higher level of hand eye skill than golf, if gold you have time to line up your shot, other sports require you to do that while moving flat out. They also don't usually involve hurting your back while standing mostly still.

I lol'd at the Golf hate, because I don't disagree.