Red Letter Media RotS Review Up

[Imperial528]

I hear Skywalker isn't a massive prick in it as well.

Pretty much. The best thing about the cartoon is that Anakin is actually heroic. The characterisations are a lot more on target.

Really? Perhaps I should start watching it then. (I tend to dislike sci-fi cartoons, especially the 3d animation ones, but maybe this would be worth it.)

[Stofsk]

I'm like Galvatron, I hate the prequels but somehow I like the cartoon. I haven't been following it lately though, but there are some nice little episodes in there.

[Jim Raynor]

Calm down diddums. Most of the posters in this thread have already pointed out that your reaction to this review has been over the top to say the least.

Most of the posters in this thread are fanboys of a fanboy, grasping at straws to portray a sophomoric video's mistakes as something better than it actually is (all his bad, illogical arguments are intentional self-deprecation, give me a break). Many of the posters in this thread are fucking hypocrites if they think writing up a lengthy response is "over the top," while sucking up to a guy who makes numerous hour long video reviews every year. While participating on a message board attached to a huge website dedicated to debating Star Wars vs. Star Trek.

You either cry about specific nitpicks about the shield point in Episode 1 and then nitpick yourself or you fail to see the greater picture.

I have painstakenly watched RLM's TPM review through and through, quoting, summarizing, and responding to pretty much all of his points. I think I have a better idea of what the fucking "greater picture" of his review is, than you do.

It's the people who make excuses (which betray the fact that they actually haven't watched the whole thing with a careful eye) that don't see the big picture. Like trying to portray RLM's review as a sensible subjective expression of how the prequels just didn't touch him like the OT did. As I've said already, if that were the case then the review wouldn't run 70 minutes long. I've seen the whole thing through. The bulk of it is nitpicking, and almost all of that nitpicking is stupid and ignorant.

You're practically reveling in how unprepared you are to discuss this topic with me. Again, quiet down if you don't want to put in the effort.

The shield point for example was partially talking about how the actions of R2 were meaningless in the plot.

Because you're a fucking idiot who's not even reading or watching. Did I say before that the visuals themselves (which RLM stupidly put in his own video) contradict what he's saying? If I didn't, then I'm saying it now. The ship is shot multiple times after R2 reconnects the shield generator. Watch the damn clip yourself for confirmation.

PS: Also fantastic work there. You proclaim you are not in a nerd rage then start flaming almost from the start. Yeah it's allowed but it really reflects poorly on you.

What did I say before, which you apparently missed along with a whole host of other things because your reading comprehension is nonexistent? Oh yeah, I said that internet hostility can be justified if you're posting intelligently. That is the defining attitude of SD.net itself.

You, on the other hand, continue to try to discuss this with me when you obviously haven't put in the effort to actually read what is going on. That reflects far more poorly on you.

Not really. It could be perfectly argued that RLM takes too long but he doesn't just put minor nitpicks into his reviews.

LOL. Minor nitpicks are the majority of his work. Stop the denial, the dork idol can in fact be a stupid dork.

It's frankly a shame that RedLetterMedia and all his stuttering dorkish dramatics isn't outright rejected by online geeks. His review is what makes us all look like fucking freaks.

I guess someone who tries to look at the actual filmmaking aspects,

Yeah, all several minutes of it among 70 minutes of a nerdy bitchfest.

talked to regular people about characters,

Please tell me you're not referring to those "people" he "interviewed" near the beginning about prequel characters vs. OT characters. You're a damn tool if you couldn't see that those were faked (that girl pretending she couldn't remember who Qui-Gon Jinn was).

I've actually quoted through almost all 70 minutes of his fucking video, and no, the bulk of it is lousy ignorant analysis. Again, if you haven't done your homework then shut the fuck up.

Oh I am sorry. Did I make you spill your Mountain Dew all over the floor? The idea of making a 70 page document on a review that was supposed to entertain, inform and give opinion is not my idea of a good discussion. Maybe if you constructed a thread and posted some of your points from your brick of an essay, then we could have a fun and good discussion about them. That way we can get rid of the pollution of this thread that is your impotent rage. God, and I thought Elfdart was the person who wrecked these threads.

You know what, fuck you. You are taking pride in your lack of effort. You're not even trying to debate this with me, you lazy shit. Actually putting in the effort to write up an in-depth response isn't your idea of "good discussion"? And I suppose your lazy, no-substance bullshitting is?

You keep it up and make yourself look like more of a dumbass. Again, since your reading comprehension seems to be nonexistent, I wrote up a comprehensive response to what he already wrote. It's worse for him to come out first with such pathetic (and stupidly incorrect) nitpicks as bitching about how he doesn't understand how lasers can shoot down a shield.

Well then, while he is off having a life

Oh this is just PRECIOUS. Now RLM, the guy who stutters and acts up like a dork in his numerous hour-long video reviews of scifi movies "is off having a life." That "having a life" crap is not just a fucking cliche insult, but outright hypocrisy coming from anyone posting on a Star Wars vs. Star Trek forum. You're not saying anything here that I haven't seen from posturing geeks on any Trekkie or comic book forum before.

I do have "a life." Which is why I've only intermittently worked on my own response for half a year. Socializing, working out, watching TV, wiping my ass, just about anything has been preferable to me at times than rewatching RLM's dumbshit review. I haven't even touched this thing in weeks.

and have people actually understand him,

Apparently not, given all the people who have said things here that betray a casual glance at his review at best.

please post some of your points into another thread so we can discuss them. I'd rather not have you spill more shit in this thread then you already have.

I've already asked someone to post his points about how the Jedi should've deposed Palpatine, in ROTS. I'm up for discussing ROTS. No one at this point has responded to that.

And that shit is spilling from your mouth.

As an aside you also are amusing as hell in the fact that you seem to equate that anyone who dares defend RLM is some sort of dick sucker to him where I see no such evidence that his has taken place here.

Claiming that the core of his review is a subjective opinion on how the prequels didn't touch him, and not a mass of nitpicking that it is? Trying to pass off all his bad arguments as intentional stealthy self-deprecation? Wow, I guess RLM can do no wrong.

[Soontir C'boath]

The problem is that I get a sort of inquisitorial attitude whenever somebody likes the prequels and dares to say so.

Whoa, there. Try backtracking to the first page of this thread and tell me who you think started spewing bile first.

I'm speaking in general, and more importantly, consider that literally everybody jumped on Raynor for doing that. The majority of prequel discussion has been on terms of how horrible it is, with like two or three people defending them actively. I'm not so sure that you can deny that most attitudes towards the prequels are hateful rather than dismissive, which is a large part of my point; the attitudes towards the prequels are violently negative and people who enjoy the prequels are generally treated negatively too, which contributes to defensive attitudes like Raynor's. But I guess we can only consider threads in isolation now or something.

Considering he came into this thread asking other people to do his homework about what RLM said in this review and then bitch about how he's shit (TPM) without explaining into detail how except for a 70 page manifesto on his HD, yea I'm sure he'll be received well.

[Jim Raynor]

Relax. You're acting like there's some colossally stupid flaw of reasoning in the RLM review that should be obvious to anyone - yet you're really the only one who seems to notice it.

You're actually acting like there isn't a huge gaping flaw in RLM's bullshit reasoning.

I just watched the scene in question, and I'm not understanding your criticism here. I hate getting into this level of fine-grained detail here because it's not really the point of the reviews,

Please stop making excuses for him. When the bulk of his 70 minute review is a nitpicky bitchfest, it is quite fair to characterize his review as a nitpicky bitchfest.

This is what RLM says:

Ship Captain: If we can't get the shield generator fixed we'll be sitting ducks!

RLM: Okay wait, how will you be sitting ducks without a shield generator? Are you implying that with the shield generator you wouldn't be sitting ducks? That you would be able to breeze through this blockade somehow? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a blockade if any ship with an operational shield generator would suddenly not be a sitting duck and go through the blockade? I would think that with Trade Federation ships of that size and quantity you'd get blown to fucking pieces with or without shields if they all fired on you. So anyway, R2-D2 sticks a thing in a thing and fixes the shield generator. Then the dude says "deflector shields up at maximum!" Okay, so then that suddenly relieves all the tension in the scene, and allows them to escape the blockade.

I don't see what's so wrong with this.

So someone says "Without body armor I'm really vulnerable." Are you saying that it wouldn't be wrong for some dumbshit to say "So with body armor on you can breeze through any battle?" Again, black-and-white "logic" that I wouldn't even expect from a child.

He's basically saying that:

Why do I have to keep pointing this out? Stop making up imaginary things for RLM in an effort to make him seem more than what he actually is.

1) Having a fully working shield generator (on that small ship) shouldn't make much of a difference when going up against the entire Trade Federation Armada. It would be like trying to drive through a blockade of tanks using a Honda Civic, and complaining that you might not make it because the Honda has a broken windshield. It just doesn't matter, because you're going to get blown to pieces regardless. Yet, all the tension in the scene seems to hinge on getting the shield generator fixed quickly.

No, it's not like trying to drive a Honda through a bunch of tanks. The ability of smaller ships to withstand numerous hits from larger ones was well established in SW. Look at the Millenium Falcon taking hits from Star Destroyers, TIE Fighters, and asteroids all throughout the OT. So if you're arguing this (and RLM wasn't even saying this himself, despite your efforts to build him up from the dumbass that he is), then you're arguing out of ignorance of how things work in SW.

2) Once they fix the shield generator, they immediately make it past the blockade with no further problems. So why should the audience even be afraid of this blockade?

The shields were fixed just seconds before they physically passed the blockade, but before they received several more direct hits. Up until then all the characters were clearly concerned that they wouldn't make it through.

That's how I interpret what he's saying here. Is he wrong? I don't know

Be sure of yourself before you post further excuses. I don't care how you "interpret" what he said - I care about what he actually said.

[Jim Raynor]

Most of the posters in this thread are fanboys of a fanboy

Could you tell me what fanboy means? I thought it meant "someone who is excessively in love with something", but in every prequel thread I've read on this forum, it is used to describe people who didn't particularly like something at all.

(that girl pretending she couldn't remember who Qui-Gon Jinn was).

If it weren't for these threads, I wouldn't remember who he was, especially not by name.

Then you're either exaggerating, didn't watch the movie, or playing word games about how you don't remember him "by name."

Who did Leonardo DiCaprio play in Inception? I don't remember his name. Hmm, this website says his character was named "Dom Cobb." OK...doesn't matter one damn bit because I still know who Leonardo DiCaprio's character in the movie is.

[Jim Raynor]

His little exercise in having people describe the characters without referring to clothes or profession was an amusing illustration on how poor the characterization was in the prequels.

"Han Solo - roguish, sexy, dashing, thief with a heart of gold."

"Qui Gon Jin - who?"

"C3PO - prissy, fussy, anal retentive, clumsy"

"Queen Amidala - aw c'mon that's just not fair."

That part was overacted BS played out by amateur actors, working under the coordination of a guy who doesn't understand who Qui-Gon is because he is completely ignorant about Qui-Gon's role in the story as well as the main themes of SW.

RLM doesn't realize that Qui-Gon was meant as a foil to Obi-Wan and the Jedi Council. He doesn't know that Qui-Gon is supposed to represent an idealized father figure, who believes in and nurtures Anakin (and even Obi-Wan) as opposed to all the subpar father figures throughout SW. Such as Obi-Wan who fundamentally distrusts Anakin from TPM to AOTC, and constantly criticizes him. In RLM's suggested alternative story, all of these themes are lost - Anakin just falls because Obi-Wan is stupid and trains him crappy.

RLM also claims in his TPM that the other main theme of the saga, that of fear leading to anger, hatred, and suffering, "doesn't make a lick of sense."

I see little reason to care about what this guy has to say about SW.

[Jim Raynor]

Hey Jim Raynor, I have a quick and fun thought experiment for you.

Let's say Rick McCallum - or, hell, even the Big Man himself, George Lucas - basically says "yeah, the RLM reviews are about right, we kinda screwed up on the prequels."

Would your position change at all?

Why the fuck would I change just because? Are you actually saying I should act like a sheep and just follow some stupid appeal to authority? Using some made-up hypothetical scenario?

As far as I know, Lucas hasn't given a shit about nerdraging fanboys. So going by that logic, should Lucas's confidence mean that I should just mindlessly believe that he did no wrong?

Nevermind people involved in the OT, who call the OT a piece of crap. Namely Alec Guinness, who was embarrassed of his role in Star Wars. Does SW suck just because Alec said so? Artists can think what they want about their own work. They don't see their own work from the perspective of other people, and everyone's perspective should exist independently anyway.

RLM's nitpicky bitchfest is objectively wrong on numerous points. If Lucas ever just caves and says "yeah RLM is right" while taking a carefree swim through his money bank, Lucas would be wrong.

[Jim Raynor]

Considering he came into this thread asking other people to do his homework about what RLM said in this review and then bitch about how he's shit (TPM) without explaining into detail how except for a 70 page manifesto on his HD, yea I'm sure he'll be received well.

Yeah, and if I posted several dozen pages people would complain about me crowding this thread with off topic shit, as they already have in this thread. A summary of some of my points was offered to anyone who wanted it, asshole. You're getting it too, just to shut you the fuck up.

[Soontir C'boath]

Considering he came into this thread asking other people to do his homework about what RLM said in this review and then bitch about how he's shit (TPM) without explaining into detail how except for a 70 page manifesto on his HD, yea I'm sure he'll be received well.

Yeah, and if I posted several dozen pages people would complain about me crowding this thread with off topic shit, as they already have in this thread. A summary of some of my points was offered to anyone who wanted it, asshole. You're getting it too, just to shut you the fuck up.

There were people here who gave their disagreements with RLM just fine.

You know what your problem was? You came in here guns blazing and thought we would be enlightened by your vitriol. It's fucking pathetic.

[Stofsk]

If you're worried about crowding the thread you could always make a new topic.

[Vympel]

I enjoyed watching RLM's reviews of TPM and to a lesser extent AotC, not that I agreed with all of them, but I really don't have the inclination to watch this one. I think its gotten old, and its boring, and just too damn long to bother with anymore.

[Stofsk]

I enjoyed watching RLM's reviews of TPM and to a lesser extent AotC, not that I agreed with all of them, but I really don't have the inclination to watch this one. I think its gotten old, and its boring, and just too damn long to bother with anymore.

The creepy metaplot with him being a psycho guy was more understated this time around if that matters at all.

[Bakustra]

I'm speaking in general, and more importantly, consider that literally everybody jumped on Raynor for doing that. The majority of prequel discussion has been on terms of how horrible it is, with like two or three people defending them actively. I'm not so sure that you can deny that most attitudes towards the prequels are hateful rather than dismissive, which is a large part of my point; the attitudes towards the prequels are violently negative and people who enjoy the prequels are generally treated negatively too, which contributes to defensive attitudes like Raynor's. But I guess we can only consider threads in isolation now or something.

Considering he came into this thread asking other people to do his homework about what RLM said in this review and then bitch about how he's shit (TPM) without explaining into detail how except for a 70 page manifesto on his HD, yea I'm sure he'll be received well.

Thank you for missing the point as well. The problem that I have is with the general attitudes, not with whether or not Raynor is acting reasonably, which he isn't. The problem is that people tend to assume that Raynor or Elfdart or anybody that ventures a defense of the prequels is acting in a vacuum, rather than responding to the particular method of criticism which frankly demeans people that enjoyed the prequels, and which is hardly unique amongst people. Consider what happened when Roger Ebert criticized videogames' potential as art. People tended to react similarly. The same for anime fans on boards where the general consensus is against anime as having any sort of value, or literally dozens of other examples.

[Galvatron]

If you say so. In my experience, it's the Lucas/prequel-defenders who tend toward unprovoked spleen-venting in threads like this one.

[Bakustra]

If you say so. In my experience, it's the Lucas/prequel-defenders who tend toward unprovoked spleen-venting in threads like this one.

You know, if you want to ignore what I'm saying entirely, you don't have to post. PS: I'm not saying that the behavior is reasonable, but neither is yours, since you're unwilling to even read what I write, apparently. Prick.

[Galvatron]

I read every word. You're accusing us of "demeaning" the prequel-defenders. I'm saying that's absurd, especially when you take into account their customary overreaction to the criticism being presented.

Moreover, the prequel-critics are routinely dismissed as basement-dwelling spider monkeys who hate Lucas for "raping their childhood." I guess that's not demeaning.

But go ahead and stay on your high-horse, ya self-righteous bastard. I don't mind.

[Elfdart]

God, and I thought Elfdart was the person who wrecked these threads.

Wrecked them? I fucking ruled them!

What I remember from the TPM review is that there is no main character for the audience to relate to,

You could see Obi Wan as the main character to the PT, out of an ensemble cast. And it's not as if the LotR trilogy buckled under many sets of characters and that didn't stop the popularity of the books/movies.

That wasn't his point, it was that TPM explicitly lacked a main character. Yeah, you could say Kenobi was the main character of RoTS and AOTC but he does fuck all in TPM except cut Maul in half.

American Graffiti lacked a main character. I guess that sucked, too.

*snip*

Its a theme that ran through all three films, theres no sense of danger or anything for the characters. Remember when Skywalker jumps out of the speeder when their chasing the bounty hunter? AAnd he falls through all the traffic and shit? I never got the sense that he was in any actual danger.

It's almost impossible to work up any kind of suspense in a prequel when everyone knows what happens later.

[Aaron]

It's almost impossible to work up any kind of suspense in a prequel when everyone knows what happens later.

Aye. Thats certainly one of the flaws, we know how it all plays out.

American Graffiti lacked a main character. I guess that sucked, too.

I honestly don't remember that one all that well. More American Graffiti didn't really suffer that much for it, I certainly connected fine with Toad. I do consider the lack of main character in TPM to be a flaw but only because I found none of them to be really memorable. I didn't really care about them, you know? Kind of ties into my above point.

That said, if you enjoyed them. *shrug* More power to you.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Lots of stuff

You know, I don't really think that the idea of prequel-defenders being a suffering minority holds much validity. On the internet in general? Sure, maybe. But the owner and administrator of this board, when he was still hanging around, was a vocal defender of the prequels, and did not hesitate to debate their merits against anybody who criticized them (I can still recall his defense Padme and Anakin's romance scenes in Attack of the Clones at believable, good cinema). And I don't have to tell you that when Darth Wong took a stance on any issue, that stance became the implicit board orthodoxy pretty often, and this was no exception. Not that this was necessarily his fault, but he was a strong and active debater and personality and that's how it was. I don't think it's a stretch to say that, for some good length of time, this forum was more stacked against 'nitpicking armchair director fanboys whining about how Lucas raped their childhood' than it ever was against 'idiot Lucas-worshipping retards', so to speak.

[Freefall]

RLM also claims in his TPM that the other main theme of the saga, that of fear leading to anger, hatred, and suffering, "doesn't make a lick of sense."

I think the criticism is more that fear can lead to a wide range of different feelings and responses, and trying to act as if those three feelings always follow each other in such a predictable and linear sequence is stupidly oversimplified.

I see little reason to care about what this guy has to say about SW.

From what I can tell, you seem to care a lot more about what this guy says than pretty much anyone else in this thread.

American Graffiti lacked a main character. I guess that sucked, too.

RLM said himself that lacking a protagonist doesn't necessarily make a movie bad, just that it is a lot harder and therefore needs a skilled director. He even gives a fairly lengthy list of directors he seems to think could pull it off. George Lucas just isn't one of them, or at least he isn't now.

I just looked up American Graffiti, and while it was indeed directed by GL, it was made in 1973. I think most people who harp on the prequels, including RLM (though I can't say for certain his position) view GL as being a bad or mediocre director as of the making of the prequels, not that he had always been bad. The common view seems to be something along the lines of George Lucas having lost his mind somewhere in his sea of money.

It's almost impossible to work up any kind of suspense in a prequel when everyone knows what happens later.

You could make that case for virtually any movie with a main character; you know in 99% of the movies they'll survive whatever is thrown at them. In RotJ, was there ever really any doubt they'd destroy the Deathstar? I don't think that's the issue with suspense. For my part, the issue was more that they simply never felt threatened. Almost everything was easy for them. Jump out of a window onto an unknown floating assassin droid? Sure, why not. Fall hundreds of feet onto a small moving object? Ho hum, just another day in the life of a jedi. They really come across as being somewhat arbitrarily resilient at times, so it is hard to tell what actually should be threatening to them and what shouldn't be. The overuse of green/blue screen probably affects this to some extent too; since in most of these situations the actors aren't actually doing anything or fighting anything, it is probably hard for them to look particularly scared or concerned. Of course, that can't be all of it, because other movies have made it work. The drop scene in Star Trek '09 was pretty intense, but there at least the characters acknowledged that it was dangerous, and a red shirt died on the way down. Anakin didn't even make much of a thud when he hit the pod thing.

(I can still recall his defense Padme and Anakin's romance scenes in Attack of the Clones at believable, good cinema).

I never saw it, but from what I can recall of some of his arguments that I have seen, he seems to have a heavy "in-universe" approach to things. Is it impossible for two idiot teenagers to act the way they were acting? No, not really. That doesn't make them interesting to watch or listen to though, so from a dramatic perspective, it still sucks. I have seen stupid crap like that in real life, and it makes me gag then too. I'm also curious if he considered the whole, "I just murdered women and children," "That's okay, to be angry is to be human" exchange to be believable as well.

If that's not the approach he was using, then I honestly have trouble imagining what he saw that was so good in those scenes.

In any case, I can say that, anecdotally anyway, I haven't been aware of this site too much, and never went out of my way to find or engage in prequel rants before coming here, but ever since the release of TPM, the impression I've gotten from the majority of film critics, and my friends, family, and other peers (none of whom were particularly huge Star Wars fans in the first place) is that TPM was mediocre, soulless eye-candy. The closest analogy I can think of is that it was sort of the Transformers of 1999; not very good on any level besides special effects, yet everyone went to see it at least once anyway, just because it was friggin' Star Wars. I met a guy at a summer camp who I think saw it 5 times, and didn't even think it was that great.

Anyone who thinks that box office sales somehow equates to quality needs to learn about the power of brand and marketing. Just look what Apple has accomplished with the iPod and iPad, or Nintendo with the Wii and DS.

[Uraniun235]

Why the fuck would I change just because? Are you actually saying I should act like a sheep and just follow some stupid appeal to authority? Using some made-up hypothetical scenario?

As far as I know, Lucas hasn't given a shit about nerdraging fanboys. So going by that logic, should Lucas's confidence mean that I should just mindlessly believe that he did no wrong?

Nevermind people involved in the OT, who call the OT a piece of crap. Namely Alec Guinness, who was embarrassed of his role in Star Wars. Does SW suck just because Alec said so? Artists can think what they want about their own work. They don't see their own work from the perspective of other people, and everyone's perspective should exist independently anyway.

RLM's nitpicky bitchfest is objectively wrong on numerous points. If Lucas ever just caves and says "yeah RLM is right" while taking a carefree swim through his money bank, Lucas would be wrong.

I'll admit that my post was poorly thought out.


That said, I also want to see this seventy-page document of refutations.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

I'd be entertained if someone then churned out a 140+ page counter-refutation. Entertained as all hell. But I wouldn't read it, just like I'm not going to waste time watching RLM's goddamn review of RotS. It'd be more entertaining and productive to invite some friends over to watch RotS with me, get drunk as hell, then poke fun at it. And it would take roughly as long.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I just looked up American Graffiti, and while it was indeed directed by GL, it was made in 1973. I think most people who harp on the prequels, including RLM (though I can't say for certain his position) view GL as being a bad or mediocre director as of the making of the prequels, not that he had always been bad. The common view seems to be something along the lines of George Lucas having lost his mind somewhere in his sea of money.

It think it's mostly just simple good old inexperience. When Lucas started to do the PT, he hadn't directed anything for 20 years. He directed only the first one of the OT, unless people forget, and before that he had directed only two feature length movies. So, here we have a director with an experience of exactly three features with the last of them done 20 years earlier.

Even more importantly, this Lucas' lack of directing experience shows that he almost certainly does not like the job of a director very much any more. This may have been different when me made American Graffiti, but for some reason he lost his passion for directing while doing ANH and probably would have never directed anything else if he hadn't insisted on it with the PT. He has concentrated on being an exec producer, and although that capacity still allows a person to be involved, it's by definition a lot less hands on job than being the director. His writing credits are not much more impressive either; between ANH and TPM he contributed almost exclusively stories only, not full screenplays. Even RotJ was co-written with Lawrence Kasdan.

So, in fact it would have been a small wonder if the PT had been well written and directed. Lucas now pigheadedly wanted to do everything despite his lack of experience and prior interest in those fields, just because Star Wars was his baby. It is almost certain that the PT would have been better had he just contributed the stories and hired competent screenwriters and directors to make movies out of them. This brings us to another one of RLM's better points: Lucas almost certainly gets too much credit for the OT, too. He made it possible and painstakingly filmed the first movie in difficult conditions, that is for sure, but making something possible is not the same as actually making it, let alone making it well.

[StarshipTitanic]

I'd be entertained if someone then churned out a 140+ page counter-refutation. Entertained as all hell. But I wouldn't read it, just like I'm not going to waste time watching RLM's goddamn review of RotS. It'd be more entertaining and productive to invite some friends over to watch RotS with me, get drunk as hell, then poke fun at it. And it would take roughly as long.

Speaking of that, has anyone tried the RiffTrax for the prequels? My experience with RiffTrax in general is hit or miss so I've been reluctant to buy them before I've heard anyone else's opinion about them.