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You need to track down the Elfdart-Shep reactor. Be careful though, if you mishandle either part of the reactor, you will either get nuked or bodyslammed at random.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:You need the aforementioned T-34 mechanical summons in a combo with those 1960s Graphs you get from Stuart or Shep, finish the HAB's Kill the Mecha Scum side-quest to get an armor modernization kit, and recruit NPC Stuart into your party.
A few notes regarding the Kill the Mecha Scum sidequest first, however. If you're trying for 100% completion (already a hard task to begin with), keep in mind that accepting Kill the Mecha Scum will permanently lock out all unoffered sidequests offered by the Mecha Maniacs faction for the remainder of the game; likewise, you will be unable to complete any in-progress sidequests from that faction upon accepting, nor will you be able to complete the branch of Shroom's quest tree dealing with Ford Prefect (a VERY BAD THING, as you will find out). There are no penalties for finishing all of the Mecha Maniacs' sidequests and Shroom's Ford sidequests before accepting and completing Kill the Mecha Scum, however, so it's perfectly fine to postpone it. You'll still be needing those armor modernization kits for your T-34s and other land-based mechanical summons eventually, so don't postpone it for too long.
Shroom Man 777 wrote:In SDN City you will also win many whores if you do my Shroomy sidequests involving blowing up NPC FROD's gundamechanimumangoes with your mechanical T-34 summons! :lol:
Completing this branch of Shroom's quest tree is actually the only way to unlock some of the hidden mechanical summons, mechanical summon upgrades, and special attacks, though it requires that you postpone a certain quest first. Most players will already have the HAB's Wasted Technology sidequest in progress by the time they reach SDN City, and some of the items dropped by Ford's mecha are required to make progress in Wasted Technology. Most players give the items to the HAB before reporting to Shroom, but they're missing out on some truly useful summons and upgrades.

Defeating the RX-78-2 Gundamechanimumango will grant you the Prototype Beam Rifle, which is one of the required items for Wasted Technology. Instead of immediately handing it over to the HAB, do the following:
  1. Bring the Prototype Beam Rifle with you when you ask for the next quest from Shroom.
  2. When Shroom asks how you did against the Gundamechanimumango, select the "It was harder than I thought" dialogue option. When Shroom asks why the Gundamechanimumango was more difficult than most, select the "pew-pew lasers" dialogue option.
  3. Shroom will start ranting about how it'd be more cost-effective (not to mention much cooler) to mount a weapon like the Prototype Beam Rifle onto a tank or airplane. He will mention the names "PJ," "Solo Wing Pixy," "Excalibur," "Morgan," and "Falken" during this rant. When he is finished, pick the dialogue option asking about the names he mentioned.
  4. Once Shroom is done explaining that part of his outburst, select the "You know, with the help of the HAB..." dialogue option, then the "You said so yourself" dialogue option. When Shroom asks if you'd do him a few more favors while he tries to present your case to the HAB's top brass, accept.
If you've followed this procedure, you'll unlock the Dance with the Angels quest chain. You also get bonus whores added to your reward.

While the Dance with the Angels quest chain is relatively lengthy to complete, it is well worth the extra effort due to all the neat unlockables, such as the free permanent stat boost for all aircraft, additional stat-boosting upgrades for certain aircraft (Mobius 1 Paint Job for the F-22 Raptor, Yellow 13 Paint Job for the Su-27 Flanker and its derivatives, Ghost of Razgriz Paint Job for the F-14 Tomcat, and various Belkan Squadron Paint Jobs for certain other craft), discounts on all purchasable aircraft upgrades, new special attacks (Stonehenge Barrage, Megalith Launch, Scinfaxi/Hrimfaxi Burst Missile, Arkbird Sweep, SOLG Drop, Excalibur Sweep, and Chandelier Bombardment), and new mechanical summons (X-02 Wyvern, Scinfaxi, Hrimfaxi, Arkbird, XB-0 Hresvelgr, and Aigaion, to name a few). Most importantly, completing both Wasted Technology and the Dance with the Angels quests will unlock the ADF-01 Falken and ADFX-02 Morgan as deployable aircraft and the Tactical Laser System as a purchasable aircraft upgrade; in addition, having the ADFX-02 in your summons list will allow you to use the V-2 Mass Retaliation Weapon (not to be confused with the V-2 used for the neo-Nazi horde's Revenge Weapon Wank special attack in Mystikal's Revenge) special attack as a lower-cost alternative to the SOLG Drop.

Since Gundamechanimumangoes and other mecha appear as random encounters in Ford's part of SDN City after completing the relevant branch of Shroom's quest tree and will still continue to appear even after completing Kill the Mecha Scum, you're free to smash them up for additional experience, money, and items. While completing Wasted Technology already gives you a considerable discount on upgrades for your mechanical summons, trading dropped mecha parts to the HAB armorers instead of simply selling them for cash to other merchants will net you additional discounts on top of those and is needed to unlock some of the other hidden upgrades, like the Minovsky Reactor (significantly reduces fuel usage and generates passive ECM).
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note if using Tevar and Nitram in the same party Tev's hammer attacks go up in damage as Nit's HP go down. If Nit is down to critical HP levels she can use the ULTIMA HAMMER attack, which has an animation of her smacking the target through the MOON, MARS, The outer planets, and finally Pluto and Voyager, before the target is sent out to deep space.

however if Nit gets KOed for any reason she leaves the party
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Now for some news regarding the upcoming Bioware SDN game. Johnny Yong Bosch has beaten out Yuri Lowenthal for the much-coveted role of Shroom. David Hayter has been confirmed as the voice of Kuroneko. Steve Blum will play Mr. Coffee and Cpl. Kendall, while Wendee Lee will play Tevar and Mrs. Kendall. Crispin Freeman has reportedly been offered the part of Stark, while Troy Baker has reportedly been offered the parts of Nitram and Starglider.
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Before you blow up FROD's gundamechanimumango, and actually before you start your Kill the Mecha Scum sidequest, you can go to FROD when he is still a friendly or neutral NPC and learn a few useful tricks from him. If you do the WHORESWHORESWHORES quests and get FROD a nice petite animu girl with an enormous bossom, he will teach you the coveted ability known as the Space Juijitsu. You can teach this ability to your mechanical summons, normally only gundamechanimumango enemies can do it, but after learning it from FROD now your own T-34s can learn Space Juijitsu and can use Turret Headbutt on the gundamechanimumangos in the Outer Space Karate Tournament Missions. With the Chobham armor upgrades, the Turret Headbutt is actually more damaging then the Robot Headbutt. A modernized T-34 mechanical summon with Space Jiujitsu is actually a better swordsman/lancer build then most (all) gundamechanimumango, so you don't need to get a gundamechanimumango for your party.

The only thing you need a gundamechanimumango for is for the AT-ATipping mission, since it's really cool to see gundamechanimumango dropkick the AT-ATs and make them fall to their sides. But really all you need for that mission is some magic rope and maxed out AGI stats.
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Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Now for some news regarding the upcoming Bioware SDN game. Johnny Yong Bosch has beaten out Yuri Lowenthal for the much-coveted role of Shroom. David Hayter has been confirmed as the voice of Kuroneko. Steve Blum will play Mr. Coffee and Cpl. Kendall, while Wendee Lee will play Tevar and Mrs. Kendall. Crispin Freeman has reportedly been offered the part of Stark, while Troy Baker has reportedly been offered the parts of Nitram and Starglider.
I've heard Bioware is considering a revolutionary morality system. It's supposed to change the way players perceive morality in RPGs and make every decision, no matter how small, a thing to consider thoroughly.

Can you present more details about that? Or does your NDA forbid it?

Also, I'm stuck in the "Board Culture" quest. I got on the bandwagon, but all I get is a long cutscene, and the game won't move forward ; The quest manager in unhelpful in the extreme. What should I do to get to the next stage?

And how do I avoid accumulating drama in that part of the game?
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Before you blow up FROD's gundamechanimumango, and actually before you start your Kill the Mecha Scum sidequest, you can go to FROD when he is still a friendly or neutral NPC and learn a few useful tricks from him. If you do the WHORESWHORESWHORES quests and get FROD a nice petite animu girl with an enormous bossom, he will teach you the coveted ability known as the Space Juijitsu. You can teach this ability to your mechanical summons, normally only gundamechanimumango enemies can do it, but after learning it from FROD now your own T-34s can learn Space Juijitsu and can use Turret Headbutt on the gundamechanimumangos in the Outer Space Karate Tournament Missions. With the Chobham armor upgrades, the Turret Headbutt is actually more damaging then the Robot Headbutt. A modernized T-34 mechanical summon with Space Jiujitsu is actually a better swordsman/lancer build then most (all) gundamechanimumango, so you don't need to get a gundamechanimumango for your party.

The only thing you need a gundamechanimumango for is for the AT-ATipping mission, since it's really cool to see gundamechanimumango dropkick the AT-ATs and make them fall to their sides. But really all you need for that mission is some magic rope and maxed out AGI stats.
Space Jiujitsu can be a pretty fun skill to teach to the Falken, Morgan, or Nosferatu if you have them. Once they learn Space Jiujitsu, the Falken and Morgan can use the TLS Headbutt attack, while the Nosferatu can learn the Railgun Headbutt; with these attacks, they are among the deadliest lancers in the entire game, even deadlier than the modernized T-34 or any of the modern MBTs with Turret Headbutt. For even more fun, teach Space Jiujitsu to the Scinfaxi and Hrimfaxi to unlock their Burst Missile Body Slam attack. Too bad few players bother approaching Ford before they receive the quests to blow up his mecha, and even fewer know how to unlock the Dance with the Angels quests.
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Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Now for some news regarding the upcoming Bioware SDN game. Johnny Yong Bosch has beaten out Yuri Lowenthal for the much-coveted role of Shroom. David Hayter has been confirmed as the voice of Kuroneko. Steve Blum will play Mr. Coffee and Cpl. Kendall, while Wendee Lee will play Tevar and Mrs. Kendall. Crispin Freeman has reportedly been offered the part of Stark, while Troy Baker has reportedly been offered the parts of Nitram and Starglider.
I've heard Bioware is considering a revolutionary morality system. It's supposed to change the way players perceive morality in RPGs and make every decision, no matter how small, a thing to consider thoroughly.

Can you present more details about that? Or does your NDA forbid it?
I obviously don't work for Bioware. I just report on what has already been made public. Besides, Bioware's grandiose proclamations about their "revolutionary" morality system are, at the moment, just that. We'll have to play the game ourselves in order to see if it's truly revolutionary or if it's just typical Bioware hype.
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You need at least one gundamechanimumango for the AT-AT Cow Tipping minigame, since you need to tip all the AT-AT cows to harvest their milkbags. You can use the cheapest gundamechanimumango though, since the AT-AT Cows are very easily tipped and they hardly put up a fight at all (it takes them so long to turn around to face you and get a shot with their Pew-Pew Lasers that you can just take a stroll and approach them from their sides, but don't come at them head on because if you do and if they get a hit, that Pew-Pew Laser will do Kiloton Damage!). You can also use ropes, but it takes longer to tie their feet up. Just dropkicking the AT-ATs with a gundamechanimumango is faster, and since they fall to their sides you can reach their udders easier too.

You can sell your AT-AT udder milkbags too. Even if they have lower price then WHORE milkbags (the bleeding blood milkbags are the most expensive kind of WHORE milkbags btw), you can get MORE milkbags from each AT-AT's udder. So depending on how many AT-AT Cows you tip over, you may end up earning more money from the AT-AT Cow Tipping minigame then from the Breastbleeding Blood from the Milkbags game. This is why you need to use a gundamechanimumango to do the drop-kicking, so you can harvest more within the time limit. If you just use rope, you'll run out of time by your third AT-AT.
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However, note that milkbags are considered a forbidden item by anyone except those serving the Shroom faction, so if you do not have a high smuggling skill, you will be clobbered at random.
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My class isn't "Military" and my character's a male; how do I get 100% completion if I can't join SOS:NBA and the Mess? Do I have to play the entire game through again as different characters to get into everything?

Also, I found a bit of an exploit for you guys: if you postpone the Neo-Nazi fight until you run into the Black Egyptians, you can lure the Black Egyptians to the Neo-Nazis and they'll fight each other, leaving each side severely weakened. It's a goddamn cakewalk after that, and even though you don't get as much EXP, you get all the items at once and can sell them for a shitload of money in Fundytown.
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If you manage to kill all of them, the Historian's Guild will also make you a hero of History, thus allowing you free lodging/food and shelter at their tower. They will also guard your belongings for free.
Akhlut wrote:My class isn't "Military" and my character's a male; how do I get 100% completion if I can't join SOS:NBA and the Mess? Do I have to play the entire game through again as different characters to get into everything?

SOS:NBA can be achieved if one of your party members is female and a member of the order. The Mess achievement can be unlocked by achieving the HAB mastery and by having at least one military class party member or a supermod as Party member.
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After that Neo-Nazi vs. Black Egyptian fight, if you look closely, you can find a gun which you can use to defend your girlfriend with in the later dating sim mini-games.
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At one point, there was talk about an online multiplayer component expansion, but that the lag was pretty bad when playing it.
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Any tips on navigating the wastelands outside of Passchendaele City? I can make it straight through easily enough on the nuclear train with the arms shipments, but it seems to me like I could get plenty of experience in random fights there. Is there an easy way to identify radioactive hot spots?
PeZook wrote:Also, I'm stuck in the "Board Culture" quest. I got on the bandwagon, but all I get is a long cutscene, and the game won't move forward ; The quest manager in unhelpful in the extreme. What should I do to get to the next stage?
Ah, yeah, that part's tricksy. You need to get off the bandwagon, but make people think that you're still on the bandwagon. The escape route is random for each new game, but it generally starts in the bandwagon's galley, and you have to have decoys for each member of your party so that people still think you are on the bandwagon. After you escape the bandwagon, the Board Culture quest storyline will move forward.
And how do I avoid accumulating drama in that part of the game?
This is the worst part. You have to avoid talking to any NPCs for at least one game month. After you escape the bandwagon, think of it as a chance to get some exp fighting monsters in the wilderness.
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How the hell does the "Good, Neutral, Evil" stuff works anyway?
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:1: Is it true that if you cheese with console commands the game will ultimately just annihilate your save games or something equally retardedly stupid to "punish" you?
1a: Is it likewise true that the game can and will track which saves are copies from the same character's run and will punitively wipe out all of those saves, not just your most recent one? I've been holding off on cheating, but it's my usual M.O., and between the item-creation commands that let you make your own custom items on the fly and the ability to set your character's stats and flags and perks, it's awfully damn tempting.

2: If the rumored anti-cheating is true, is the game's anti-cheating smart enough to detect active memory search-hacks like using ArtMoney SE to give yourself a couple hundred thousand upgrade points to spend at level-up instead of the thousand or so you should be getting? While it wouldn't be quite so much fun as creating blasphemous party members like a full Star of assault-class mecha that can roll up the whole HAB or calling down orbital photon torpedo fire support missions, I could still have fun doing this.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:After that Neo-Nazi vs. Black Egyptian fight, if you look closely, you can find a gun which you can use to defend your girlfriend with in the later dating sim mini-games.

However, for those dating sim mini-games, be sure not to go after the girl you've had secret crush on for 3 years as she's moving into another dude's house. That won't end well.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:After that Neo-Nazi vs. Black Egyptian fight, if you look closely, you can find a gun which you can use to defend your girlfriend with in the later dating sim mini-games.
Is there any reason you can't, say, just pull out whatever of the legion of weapons you're toting around on your person at any given time for the dating sim defense? I mean, a gun looted from a random battlefield is as good as any other gun looted from a random battlefield, but why can't I pull out, say, my blaster or phaser (from the Trek vs. Wars wars,) or any of the other legion destructive hardware I'll have accumulated by that point?
Because you need that gun to defend her from the KKK Terror Squads, especially if your girlfriend is the Nubian Queen. The KKK Terror Squads have a buff reducing all other damage by 95%.
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PeZook wrote:I've heard Bioware is considering a revolutionary morality system. It's supposed to change the way players perceive morality in RPGs and make every decision, no matter how small, a thing to consider thoroughly.

Can you present more details about that? Or does your NDA forbid it?
Yes, I for one would love to hear what their one dimensional slider of the week revolutionary morality system will entail...
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PeZook wrote:I've heard Bioware is considering a revolutionary morality system. It's supposed to change the way players perceive morality in RPGs and make every decision, no matter how small, a thing to consider thoroughly.

Can you present more details about that? Or does your NDA forbid it?
Yes, I for one would love to hear what their one dimensional slider of the week revolutionary morality system will entail...
I hear it's based on anal sex and socialized healthcare. You know, Canadian morality.
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The gun, ShadowDragon, is the only weapon you can carry in the dating sim when around polite company. That's the only weapon the Nubian Queen will allow you to carry in her presence, at least, since it's solely for defending her honor! The dating sim segues into a weirdo Tetris-like mini-minigame where you try to build pyramids and the since you're otherwise disarmed in the previous dating scene, the gun comes in handy in defending yourself and your pyramid from those who'll try to smash your pyramid. If you don't have that particular gun, you'll have no other means of self-defense and they'll break your pyramids!
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Re: SDN computer RPG questions

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Be careful with the Sands of Time, guys. After I was done dicking around with it and went on with the game, I discovered that several of my characters and equipped mechanical devices had been infected with a rampant AI (Durandal-class) which rendered them entirely ineffectual. It was extremely frustrating until I equipped some overpriced, but sexy, computer hardware, at which point the AI disappeared and the infected characters' stats were boosted 50%.
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Re: SDN computer RPG questions

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Shroom Man 777 wrote:The gun, ShadowDragon, is the only weapon you can carry in the dating sim when around polite company. That's the only weapon the Nubian Queen will allow you to carry in her presence, at least, since it's solely for defending her honor! The dating sim segues into a weirdo Tetris-like mini-minigame where you try to build pyramids and the since you're otherwise disarmed in the previous dating scene, the gun comes in handy in defending yourself and your pyramid from those who'll try to smash your pyramid. If you don't have that particular gun, you'll have no other means of self-defense and they'll break your pyramids!
Be aware though that if you try to build pyramids for the NUbian queen, you will call the wrath of Broomstick, The Duchess of Zeon, Alyrium Denryle and Thanas on your head, who will attack you and get 50% bonus on the logic attack. You also suffer a 80% decrease in your attack effectiveness. If you use the racist "buff", be aware that it actually does the opposite and lowers your attack to 0%.

Nobody has ever completed that level before the Dragonlord, summoned by the above-mentioned, shows up and performs the indefensible banning attack. If you interrupt its summons, be aware that this will do you no good, for The Wookie will appear instantaneously and unleash an even more vicious banning attack.

This level was designed to not be winnable. When questioned about the logic behind that, Bioware developers stated they "wanted to punish retards who had a pretty reprehensible picture of African-American women".
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Re: SDN computer RPG questions

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Aha! Finally figured out the pattern to the "Revprez Rap Battle" minigame. I've almost unlocked all the achievements, the only one left is the "Certain Clique" trophy and I can get that via "Ford's Fanfic Challenge".
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Re: SDN computer RPG questions

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Thanas wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:The gun, ShadowDragon, is the only weapon you can carry in the dating sim when around polite company. That's the only weapon the Nubian Queen will allow you to carry in her presence, at least, since it's solely for defending her honor! The dating sim segues into a weirdo Tetris-like mini-minigame where you try to build pyramids and the since you're otherwise disarmed in the previous dating scene, the gun comes in handy in defending yourself and your pyramid from those who'll try to smash your pyramid. If you don't have that particular gun, you'll have no other means of self-defense and they'll break your pyramids!
Be aware though that if you try to build pyramids for the NUbian queen, you will call the wrath of Broomstick, The Duchess of Zeon, Alyrium Denryle and Thanas on your head, who will attack you and get 50% bonus on the logic attack. You also suffer a 80% decrease in your attack effectiveness. If you use the racist "buff", be aware that it actually does the opposite and lowers your attack to 0%.

Nobody has ever completed that level before the Dragonlord, summoned by the above-mentioned, shows up and performs the indefensible banning attack. If you interrupt its summons, be aware that this will do you no good, for The Wookie will appear instantaneously and unleash an even more vicious banning attack.

This level was designed to not be winnable. When questioned about the logic behind that, Bioware developers stated they "wanted to punish retards who had a pretty reprehensible picture of African-American women".
This is why you get the gun first. Load the gun with "Bunch of Cowards" Custom Sanchez Special Caliber ammunition and fire it while using the "Internet Tough Guy" and "Macho Bullshit" ability on yourself. The Broomsticks, Duchesses, Alyriums and Thanases will fall by the numbers (or not). Reinforce it by using the "Racist Retards from Another Forum" summons and... wait, I think that does get you banned. Oh shit! :lol:

I know! Use the gun on yourself. The following cutscene will say that Headshots Are Not Fatal and the story reveals that you avoid bannination by using the Drunk Posting ability at the last minute. The game gets very difficult after this though, since you lose a lot of your weapons and equipment, and have to gain more EXP by doing NPC Lief's Make a Bunch of Shitty Threads quests. If you avoid getting bannination after all those Shit-Threads, you gain enough credit to become a tolerated irritant. The VI custom title may make some NPC hostile towards you, but this is for players who like don't want it too easy and want to do things the hard way, and if you complete the few missions with the VI custom title and actually manage to get the VI custom title removed after showing effort and improvement - the rewards will be well worth it!

This also applies for the time you get Temp-Banned. When you are allowed to return, you basically start out with no items or weapons at all, and your EXP is subtracted. It's like starting a new game, except with a few NPCs hostile towards you. Do NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT, try to cheat by asking certain NPCs for their account passwords or else even while you are Temp-Banned, Thanas will get you oppressed by the other bosses (as at this point in the story he does not yet become a big boss) and the game ends with a cutscene involving your painful Dickstabbery. Your game record's abysmal last moments then get reposted as chatlogs for every other NPC and PC to laugh at. :P
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