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[Bounty]

Should it also be pointed out that DS9 wasn't even built by the Federation, making it even more of a red herring concerning what Fed starbases are like.

You do know you can edit those pages yourself, right

You could argue that Federation starbases that orbit a planet would have some manoeuvrability to maintain orbit; and that abusing these systems like O'Brien did in Emissary might allow them to crawl a few thousand kilometres in an emergency.

However, why bother with the argument anyway? DS9 nearly fell apart trying to reach the wormhole. You won't see a mushroom dock zipping across the universe.

[Darth Servo]

Should it also be pointed out that DS9 wasn't even built by the Federation, making it even more of a red herring concerning what Fed starbases are like.

You do know you can edit those pages yourself, right

yes and I already have added a comment to one. I guess I'm a but squeemish about stepping on someone else's toes, editing their work.

[Bounty]

If you want to justify an edit, you can always leave a comment on the talk page. When someone disagrees they can revert your edit and explain likewise.

[Darth Wong]

Mike DiCenso, another fanatical starfleetjedi.net forum user, made the following comment: "If you allow millions of Imperial starships because of the Death Stars, then you probably have to do a similar thing for the Federation since we have seen that they have the industrial capacity to build a fair number of multi-km space stations (Starbase 74, the Utopia Planita space stations, ect) that are each worth thousands of Galaxy or Sovereign class starships in volume and mass."Link

JMSpock responds: "These, too, have shields and weaponry. They have highly sophisticated massive medical facilities, and on-board construction, repair, and refit facilities. These, too, can lumber about systems - watch the opening episode of DS9."

Notice how JMSpock dishonestly mixes large Federation starbases, namely Starbase 74 and Utopia Planitia, with vastly smaller Deep Space 9 with his claim that aforementioned starbases' movement capability is demonstrated in the opening episode of Deep Space 9. As a matter of fact larger starbases never demonstrated any capability to move at either sublight or supralight speeds nor have they ever demonstrated any weapon or shield capabilities.

Should it also be pointed out that DS9 wasn't even built by the Federation, making it even more of a red herring concerning what Fed starbases are like.

Ideally, imbeciles like this JMSpock character would not be allowed to speak; anyone who is even vaguely competent with elementary engineering or even basic carpentry should know that it's far easier to build something which doesn't move as opposed to something that does. The fact that DS9 can slowly move is more of a nitpick than a real objection to the point. You can move a mobile home too, but that doesn't make it equivalent to a car. The Death Star can traverse the galaxy at hyperspeed and even at sublight, it can circumnavigate a gas giant in a matter of minutes; that is absurdly high performance for something of such great size, and indicates that relatively static structures built in space by the same civilization could easily be far more grandiose.

[Tribun]

I wonder how long until these dumbasses will discover what we are doing.
You can bet they will try to sabotage it.

[DaveJB]

Okay, I've got a page up that details most of the basics of editing. I've put up a few style tips as well.

Link

[Isolder74]

Mike DiCenso, another fanatical starfleetjedi.net forum user, made the following comment: "If you allow millions of Imperial starships because of the Death Stars, then you probably have to do a similar thing for the Federation since we have seen that they have the industrial capacity to build a fair number of multi-km space stations (Starbase 74, the Utopia Planita space stations, ect) that are each worth thousands of Galaxy or Sovereign class starships in volume and mass."Link

JMSpock responds: "These, too, have shields and weaponry. They have highly sophisticated massive medical facilities, and on-board construction, repair, and refit facilities. These, too, can lumber about systems - watch the opening episode of DS9."

Notice how JMSpock dishonestly mixes large Federation starbases, namely Starbase 74 and Utopia Planitia, with vastly smaller Deep Space 9 with his claim that aforementioned starbases' movement capability is demonstrated in the opening episode of Deep Space 9. As a matter of fact larger starbases never demonstrated any capability to move at either sublight or supralight speeds nor have they ever demonstrated any weapon or shield capabilities.

Should it also be pointed out that DS9 wasn't even built by the Federation, making it even more of a red herring concerning what Fed starbases are like.

Ideally, imbeciles like this JMSpock character would not be allowed to speak; anyone who is even vaguely competent with elementary engineering or even basic carpentry should know that it's far easier to build something which doesn't move as opposed to something that does. The fact that DS9 can slowly move is more of a nitpick than a real objection to the point. You can move a mobile home too, but that doesn't make it equivalent to a car. The Death Star can traverse the galaxy at hyperspeed and even at sublight, it can circumnavigate a gas giant in a matter of minutes; that is absurdly high performance for something of such great size, and indicates that relatively static structures built in space by the same civilization could easily be far more grandiose.

What like this place?

Nespis VIII

Nespis VIII was a planet in the Auril system (itself within the Auril Outer Rim sector, dominated by the Cron Drift, the remnants of the supernovae that wiped out Ossus and two other of the nine star systems in the sector). The space city (abandoned before the Clone Wars, but nevertheless defended by capable ion cannons), where the Rebel Alliance fled after the destruction of Da Soocha V and Pinnacle Base by the Reborn Emperor's Galaxy Gun, is the birthplace of Anakin Solo.[16]

Nespis VIII (8) is also the name of the orbiting Space Station built over millennia by the Jedi. The gargantuan station grew to be the size of a small planet and developed its own weather patterns. The Station is rumored to contain a massive Jedi library.

[Lonestar]

I have posted a little blurb about minimalism.

[BountyHunterSAx]

Style Idea:

Currently there is no real naming convention for the pages, but it occurs to me - particularly in the case of broad areas like "Infantry" "shields" "propulsion systems" etc - there are going to be several cases where a name applies equally well to either SW or ST.

I propose we choose to name each page ST_* or SW_* if it is in a category in which a crossover is possible. Clearly in the case of important persons like James T. Kirk or Luke Sykwalker this would be superfluous, but not in the case of "Planetary Shielding" or "Warp Engines". Heavy usage of masking for internal links would produce an overall better look and feel (ie: [[Shields|SW_Shields]] ) .


Any thoughts?

-AHMAD

[Illuminatus Primus]

I'll definitely work on penning some analytical SW articles, especially on energy tech.

[Darth Ruinus]

Well, since it is a VS wiki (are there other ones out there?) Why not have a part that analyzes the things effect in the hypothetical SW vs ST war?

Like, under Death Star, have a part that says

Effect on Trek Universe

and then outline however it can be used against the Feds, Klingons etc etc.

Same thing for Trek technology (though, this will probably be alot shorter)

[Illuminatus Primus]

I have posted a little blurb about minimalism.

Name names. We have no fear of retaliation here.

[Stark]

Style Idea:

Currently there is no real naming convention for the pages, but it occurs to me - particularly in the case of broad areas like "Infantry" "shields" "propulsion systems" etc - there are going to be several cases where a name applies equally well to either SW or ST.

I propose we choose to name each page ST_* or SW_* if it is in a category in which a crossover is possible. Clearly in the case of important persons like James T. Kirk or Luke Sykwalker this would be superfluous, but not in the case of "Planetary Shielding" or "Warp Engines". Heavy usage of masking for internal links would produce an overall better look and feel (ie: [[Shields|SW_Shields]] ) .


Any thoughts?

-AHMAD

No. There are shields, or propulsion, then there are SW/ST/B5 examples of those. Then that article should mention or link to the specific examples/capabilites/arguments for each side.

I'd try to avoid making the wiki a site for debate, simply laying shit out.

[BountyHunterSAx]

Style Idea:

Currently there is no real naming convention for the pages, but it occurs to me - particularly in the case of broad areas like "Infantry" "shields" "propulsion systems" etc - there are going to be several cases where a name applies equally well to either SW or ST.

I propose we choose to name each page ST_* or SW_* if it is in a category in which a crossover is possible. Clearly in the case of important persons like James T. Kirk or Luke Sykwalker this would be superfluous, but not in the case of "Planetary Shielding" or "Warp Engines". Heavy usage of masking for internal links would produce an overall better look and feel (ie: [[Shields|SW_Shields]] ) .


Any thoughts?

-AHMAD

No. There are shields, or propulsion, then there are SW/ST/B5 examples of those. Then that article should mention or link to the specific examples/capabilites/arguments for each side.

I'd try to avoid making the wiki a site for debate, simply laying shit out.

So what you're suggesting is to change the organizational layout of the site as a whole, then? Because the front page has it set up very clearly with pages for SW tech and ST tech, and it makes sense that as you go lower down in the 'tree-structure' list you end up with a list of examples each with their own page.

If we did things the way I understand what you're saying, then we'd have just one page for shields; for propulsion, etc, and 'merge' all the sub-pages. Would the front-page simply be discarded, then, since half the links would be redundant (or a quarter at least).

-AHMAD

[Stark]

No, I'm saying there should be overall 'shield', 'propulsion' pages discussion WHAT THAT THING IS, which links to the specific ST/SW/B5 'shields' stuff. Most people don't have any idea how shield mechanics should work (physical vs heat, efficiencies, etc), and that should not be duplicated on every damn page.

If you think starting with 'shields' and goign to 'specific shields' is some crazy idea, that's a personal problem. Merging everything to do with 'shields' onto one page is a massive strawman of my suggestion.

[Darth Ruinus]

I was wondering, is there some criteria we have to meet to be able to join in on this? I would like to give it a try, I could start writing for some of the tactics page, just basic stuff (since I dont know the calcs or how to do them) but I would like to give it a try at least.

So can anybody join or is this only for the admins?

[Stark]

... It's a fucking wiki. Just sign up and fuck around, it's what JSF and I did before anyone else had made shit.

[BountyHunterSAx]

Merging everything to do with 'shields' onto one page is a massive strawman of my suggestion.

It's not a strawman at all. A strawman is a debating fallacy - I was asking for clarification - that's why I made sure to clarify that I was only saying my understanding, with full knowledge that it was wrong since I've yet to see you propose something stupid. At any rate, I get your explanation now; and yes- that would make more sense, though it would still require that you have SW_ and ST_ naming conventions for some pages (or some equivalent system).

Further, why can't I edit the main page? Whoever has rights to do so, please add the following:


1.) Add these categories in the left-hand pane:

*) Under Star Wars: Significant Historical Events/Battles
*) Under Star Trek: Significant Historical Events/Battles
*) Under Star Wars: Significant Persons
*) Under Star Trek: Significant Persons

2.) In the right-hand pane, split the real-world pane so that there's a subsection devoted to each of these:

*) Sci-Fi Propulsion Systems
*) Sci-Fi Shielding Systems
*) Sci-Fi Weapon Systems (etc?)

If that's already there in the form of 'Science and Engineering Sci-Fi Applications ' then please re-write it so that it stands out better, because as of now it's barely distinguishable and certainly not the first place one would go to learn about shields, weapons, propulsions etc.

Alternatively to option '2', perhaps add a third section in the left-hand pane, above both Trek and SW for the same categories.

-AHMAD

[Coriolis]

I outlined the SW infantry section. Not enough time to start writing articles.

[Darth Ruinus]

I started a Hyperdrive page, though it could use some working on someone who knows more about that subject. It also needs hyperdrive speed calcs.

I am thinking of maybe adding some tactic articles, starting out with some of the easier SW tactics that could be used.

[Zablorg]

Someone should really get around to making the calculations for the Death Star. All the trektards will laugh at us if we declare victory via our calculations, and it turns out that there aren't any.

[Stark]

What 'calculations'? You mean the ones on the main site and available in the forums?

[Zablorg]

Yeah. Someone should probably get over there.

Not me though, I'm too lazy.

[Stark]

So SHUT THE FUCK UP if you're too lazy to do anything beyond saying 'hey you guys do this, do that'.

[Zablorg]

*SIGH*

FIIINE. I'll click five freaking buttons and get there myself...

Grumble grumble grumble...