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I'm not commenting on fox news, I have never sen it, jjust pointing out that no news organistions are living up to thier duty of care.
Then don't argue about it until you've seen it. FOX News, because of its "fair and balanced" moniker, deserves the criticism it receives for its hackneyed attempt at journalism.
You focus on Fox, nd they become the problem, you focus on the industry, and they are seen as what they are, one symptom of the problem.
No one's ignoring the industry in general. It's a matter of degrees, and FOX News is one of the biggest violators of public trust.
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mwm1331 wrote:I'm not commenting on fox news, I have never sen it, jjust pointing out that no news organistions are living up to thier duty of care.
Actually, some of them do. The duty of care of a news organization is not to maintain perfect objectivity; that would be unreasonable. It is only to make the effort to report the facts accurately, and FOXNews does not do that. You are assuming that they are no worse than the others, when this is in fact false. You are also ignoring their own claims which raise their duty of care.
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Like I said I cant say as we dont get fox news here in eastern europe, and I dont think it was around (at least not in florida) when I was trasfered back in 02. However based on the major internatonal channels we do get CNN Euronews (by far the most idiotic excuse for a news organisation I have ever seen) and BBC, I cant see any which even attempt to manitain a semblance of objectivity.
Persoanlly I think its bullshit, if I wanted to hear what some idiot anchors opinion was I would ask them.
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Like I said I cant say as we dont get fox news here in eastern europe, and I dont think it was around (at least not in florida) when I was trasfered back in 02. However based on the major internatonal channels we do get CNN Euronews (by far the most idiotic excuse for a news organisation I have ever seen) and BBC, I cant see any which even attempt to manitain a semblance of objectivity.
As I mentioned before, it's a matter of degrees. CNN is fairly shitty in its broadcasts, but it pales compared to the blatant bias on the part of FOX News' staff.

It seems this has focused only on TV news. At least from my perspective, NPR is fairly balanced in its coverage, and rarely have I heard personal commentary that wasn't intended as such.
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Fire Fly wrote:There's already a new debate forming: cremation vs. burial. The husband wants to cremate the body and have the ashes buried in a family plot but the family wants a burial. I'm sure somehow this will be twisted into another "Michael really did want to kill his wife" argument.
It has, they've already started accusing him of trying to destroy the evidence and trying to further abuse Mrs. Schiavo by denying her a Catholic funeral. What's funny about that is the Michael Schiavo agreed to an autoposy for her before cremation, something that the Schindler family appearantly isn't happy with.
Darth Wong wrote:This is why I think that someone needs to set a precedent and sue the living shit out of FOX. Media bullies will recklessly say anything that gets them ratings for as long as they're allowed to, and it really doesn't matter to them whether it's sound journalism.
They can't do shit to FOX. Most of what they've been saying about the issue hasn't been by their legally restricted newsbimbos, but by their talking head brigade and pundit shows (not to mention breaks in programming with pictures of Terri Schiavo as a young woman with sombre music playing). All of which legally isn't being presented as news coverage and thus the laws that govern the news don't apply to them. "Bill O'Reilly" and "Hannity and Colmes" have no more requirement to have truth or balanced coverage than the producers of the show's integrity calls for. You can guess how much that is. They could have Hannity up their saying whatever propaganda they want and it's his "opinion", even if they and he knows it's untruthful and even if they and he knows people watching it will take it as real because they saw it on a "News Show".

And other news channels haven't been helpful. CNN seems to be stuck on the idea that balanced news means giving both sides equal seconds of newscoverage and interview time, which means recycling what little Michael Schiavo and his legal team has said to the media and having fifty million interviews with Larry King trying to get Bobby Schindler to answer the fucking questions he's been asking, not to mention a similar parade of celebrity coma victims who recovered when they've been said to be written off. Then their are the various Congressmen interviewed, and everyone knows that congressmen are well known for their understanding of medical issues and never ever would lied on national television to score even minor political points with their constituancy. :roll:
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It has, they've already started accusing him of trying to destroy the evidence and trying to further abuse Mrs. Schiavo by denying her a Catholic funeral. What's funny about that is the Michael Schiavo agreed to an autoposy for her before cremation, something that the Schindler family appearantly isn't happy with.
What a shock. They want to gloss over the fact that Michael Schiavo wants to have an autopsy performed and say the cremation is proof that he's trying to cover up the nature of their daughter's injuries, and they're probably worried the autopsy will prove them wrong.
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Ahah, scratch my last reply. The Beeb.
The husband of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged US woman now on her 11th day without food, wants a post-mortem examination once his wife has died.

Michael Schiavo, who says his wife did not want to be kept alive artificially, wants the examination to uncover the extent of her brain damage.

Mrs Schiavo's parents, who have fought to keep her alive, are reported to have agreed to the request.

But they are also afraid an "overdose" of morphine could hasten her death.

"She's alive and she's fighting like hell to live," Mrs Schiavo's father, Bob Schindler said after visiting his daughter.

But he added that he had "a grave concern" that doctors at the Florida hospice where is being treated might hasten her death with an "overdose" of morphine.

Michael Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos, denied Mrs Schiavo had been put on a morphine drip but revealed her physical condition has weakened.

He said her eyes are sunken, her breathing has quickened and she has stopped urinating - a sign of kidney failure and an overload of toxins.

Amid bitter divisions caused by the lengthy legal battle, Michael Schiavo has insisted on a post-mortem examination.

"He's requested this very strongly," said Mr Felos.

"He believes it's important to have the public know the full and massive extent of the damage to Mrs Schiavo's brain that occurred through the cardiac arrest in 1990."

David Gibbs III, a lawyer for Mrs Schiavo's parents, told AFP news agency Bob and Mary Schindler supported an autopsy as a way to help solve "unanswered questions".

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Terri Schiavo, who has been kept alive by artificial means since she suffered severe brain damage when her heart stopped briefly in 1990, had her feeding tube removed by court order on 18 March.

Her parents have insisted that Mrs Schiavo remains responsive and have fought a lengthy legal battle to have her tube re-inserted.

But a series of judges and courts have ruled in favour of Michael Schiavo, leaving his wife on the edge of death.

As protesters gathered outside the Florida hospice where she is being treated, a Catholic priest gave Terri Schiavo her last communion.
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mwm1331 wrote:I'm not commenting on fox news, I have never sen it, jjust pointing out that no news organistions are living up to thier duty of care.
IMHO singling one out as worse is if anything counterproductive. Rather than focusing on which are the worst offenders shouldn't the focus be on the industry wide trend away from objectivity?
You focus on Fox, nd they become the problem, you focus on the industry, and they are seen as what they are, one symptom of the problem.
Personally I would rather try and focus on the problem than the symptoms.
I agree with you that Fox is not a problem unto itself but a symptom. Thanks to the 24hr news cycle and the general ratings scramble most TV news has put good, objective journalism on the back burner to what gets people's attention. There is also a major problem with simple laziness, the reporting of statements with out regard to their factual content; the election was particularly bad.

And while I agree that making it an industry wide issue in principle, in the real world the worst offenders have to go first. We can't make sweeping changes all at once. The tools for such change require that we do it on virtually a case by case basis. Trying to Tu Quoque it all away by suggesting equal is an obvious logic flaw; the guilt is not equal nor does it reduce guilt because others are engaging in it.

And Fox News is one of the worst offenders; it's not just op-ed shows or editorial slant. They've been caught red handed reporting bad facts to support editorial bias. They've given effectively unquestioned voice to slander, lies, and shameful partisanship in supposedly news programs. And that doesn't begin to cover their more than ample editorial time; there is a reason that Fox's editorial programs have a fair amount of imfamy. What they've done is far, far beyond what the news of any other network has done.
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This is awesome....

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By ROBERT FRIEDMAN, Perspective Editor
Published March 27, 2005

Like many of you, I have been compelled by recent events to prepare a more detailed advance directive dealing with end-of-life issues. Here's what mine says:

* In the event I lapse into a persistent vegetative state, I want medical authorities to resort to extraordinary means to prolong my hellish semiexistence. Fifteen years wouldn't be long enough for me.

* I want my wife and my parents to compound their misery by engaging in a bitter and protracted feud that depletes their emotions and their bank accounts.

* I want my wife to ruin the rest of her life by maintaining an interminable vigil at my bedside. I'd be really jealous if she waited less than a decade to start dating again or otherwise rebuilding a semblance of a normal life.

* I want my case to be turned into a circus by losers and crackpots from around the country who hope to bring meaning to their empty lives by investing the same transient emotion in me that they once reserved for Laci Peterson, Chandra Levy and that little girl who got stuck in a well.

* I want those crackpots to spread vicious lies about my wife.

* I want to be placed in a hospice where protesters can gather to bring further grief and disruption to the lives of dozens of dying patients and families whose stories are sadder than my own.

* I want the people who attach themselves to my case because of their deep devotion to the sanctity of life to make death threats against any judges, elected officials or health care professionals who disagree with them.

* I want the medical geniuses and philosopher kings who populate the Florida Legislature to ignore me for more than a decade and then turn my case into a forum for weeks of politically calculated bloviation.

* I want total strangers - oily politicians, maudlin news anchors, ersatz friars and all other hangers-on - to start calling me "Bobby," as if they had known me since childhood.

* I'm not insisting on this as part of my directive, but it would be nice if Congress passed a "Bobby's Law" that applied only to me and ignored the medical needs of tens of millions of other Americans without adequate health coverage.

* Even if the "Bobby's Law" idea doesn't work out, I want Congress - especially all those self-described conservatives who claim to believe in "less government and more freedom" - to trample on the decisions of doctors, judges and other experts who actually know something about my case. And I want members of Congress to launch into an extended debate that gives them another excuse to avoid pesky issues such as national security and the economy.

* In particular, I want House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to use my case as an opportunity to divert the country's attention from the mounting political and legal troubles stemming from his slimy misbehavior.

* And I want Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to make a mockery of his Harvard medical degree by misrepresenting the details of my case in ways that might give a boost to his 2008 presidential campaign.

* I want Frist and the rest of the world to judge my medical condition on the basis of a snippet of dated and demeaning videotape that should have remained private.

* Because I think I would retain my sense of humor even in a persistent vegetative state, I'd want President Bush - the same guy who publicly mocked Karla Faye Tucker when signing off on her death warrant as governor of Texas - to claim he was intervening in my case because it is always best "to err on the side of life."

* I want the state Department of Children and Families to step in at the last moment to take responsibility for my well-being, because nothing bad could ever happen to anyone under DCF's care.

* And because Gov. Jeb Bush is the smartest and most righteous human being on the face of the Earth, I want any and all of the aforementioned directives to be disregarded if the governor happens to disagree with them. If he says he knows what's best for me, I won't be in any position to argue.

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Friedman is a bona fide genius.
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Another opinion piece about the whole religious nonsense behind this whole cafuffle.

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Separation of church and state no longer being enforced

Jordan Ross
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What the hell happened to the separation of church and state? I have been asking myself this question constantly since George W. Bush’s re-election last November.

Since then, I have never seen more religious bias or emphasis in politics or in the media.

Last weekend was Easter, so I will give both the politicians and the media the benefit of the doubt. However, the nation’s religious ideology has gotten completely out of hand.

It was impossible in recent weeks to turn on the television without being bombarded by story after story about the Terri Schiavo case. This particular case has become a political battleground for republicans and democrats to duke it out.

But not only has this story been manipulated for political purposes, but it has also turned into a holy war.

The images from outside the hospice where Terri is being cared for are ridiculous. Hundreds of protesters with makeshift crucifixes and bloody messages fill the streets.

It seems the only argument conservatives can come up with, both to save Terri and to get congress to intervene, are religiously based.

The religion card is used much too often by the media, conservatives and many politicians. In case we’ve forgotten, I’d like to remind you that our nation was founded on the belief that Americans are allowed to believe in whichever form of religion they choose, including no religion at all. And in addition to that, no policies are to be implemented favoring one religion over another.

Abortion, death penalty, euthanasia, sex education and homosexuality are extremely important issues that face our nation. I find it interesting that the conservative or republican stance on all of these issues are religious.

Religion is a cop-out. If I were to debate a republican on any one of these issues, regardless of how many facts or statistics I presented, a republican still has the ultimate comeback; “God says it’s wrong.”

I am sick of this response. I’d like to debate a republican who can give me another reason why these things are wrong besides God. Using religion is the easy way out.

Using religion or God as an excuse means that no facts are needed to back up any point. In my high school debate class, we were not allowed to use anything associated with religion to back up any of our arguments.

So why do we allow our politicians to do just that?

Considering there is no proof that a god even exists, I would prefer that our nation’s policies be based on something concrete — like facts.

In my religion class, one girl brought up an interesting point about the Pledge of Allegiance in public school. She thought it was infringing on her right as a Christian not to say “God.”

How about all of those years when we non-Christians had to say God or omit the word God in our heads while saying the pledge? It is just as easy, if not easier, for Christians to add the word “God” in their head while saying it and not having to subject all non-believers to a silly Christian tradition.With all of this religious talk, I’m starting to think that some people believe the apocalypse is coming.

I respect all religions and all beliefs — please respect mine. Don’t make the laws in the country that I and so many others live in based on one religion. Quit force feeding religious ideology to the rest of the nation.

When the concept of separation between church and state was created for our constitution, I don’t think policies and politicians based solely on one religious ideology are what the framers had in mind.



Jordan Ross is an opinion columnist for The Daily O’Collegian. She can be reached via e-mail at [email protected]
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Also, the man who put a bounty on Mr. Schiavo and Judge Greer has appeared in court.

It's all a big publicity stunt, according to him.

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Man accused of threatening Michael Schiavo appears in court
3/29/2005 10:41 AM
By: Associated Press

(ASHEVILLE) - The attorney for the Buncombe County man accused of putting a bounty on the husband of Terri Schiavo says it was all a big publicity stunt.

Richard Alan Meywes of Fairview appeared in a federal courtroom Monday morning to answer to charges stemming from distribution of an e-mail that placed a $250,000 bounty on Michael Schiavo. There also was a $50,000 bounty on a circuit court judge.

Attorney Sean Devereaux says his client admits to a terrible lack of judgment and intends to cooperate fully with the government.

Meywes did not enter a plea. Devereaux says he will be moved to Florida in the next couple of days where he will have an arraignment.

Devereaux says Meywes meant no harm to anyone, and the plight of Terri Schiavo's parents troubled him greatly.

Terri Schiavo has been without food and water since a feeding tube was removed by court order March 18th. Doctors have said she's in a permanent vegetative state.

An affidavit says the e-mail was sent last Tuesday to two Tampa, Florida-area news organizations and the host of a national conservative talk show.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Edi wrote:Very difficult. I don't know if you could apply the duty-of-care statutes to commercial news reporting, but that would be about the only thing you could use. US libel and slander laws require the person who is the target to prove a negative, i.e. prove that the allegations are not true, instead of the lying sack of shit needing to prove that his bullshit is true. That fucked up little statute allows the TV networks to get away with anything as long as the great unwashed masses approve of it.

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Duty of care is exactly what I'm talking about; I mentioned it earlier in this thread.
My bad for missing it earlier (or not remembering even if I did see it). It's been a long thread. I'm all for it if somebody wants to go ahead and try it.

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You know, the more I think about this, the more I think Michael Schiavo is a God damn hero.

Consider:

1. Whatever the state of his marriage in 1990 (and there are some signs it was starting to come apart), he spent years and thousands of dollars trying to bring his wife back.

2. He waited eight years to finally pull the plug. Rather than just exercise his power of attorney as her husband, he got a judge to arbitrate the dispute between him and his in-laws. They would reward him for this with years of vicious slander.

3. He was repeatedly offered absurd amounts of money to transfer custody to her parents, enough money for him, his fiancee, and his children to live comfortable for the rest of their lives.

4. He refused to buckle to outrageous slander from his in-laws, the press, and the political right. He fought the Florida state legislature, Governor Bush, Congress, and the President of the United States. He's had protesters at his house, death threats, and hundreds of imbeciles outside his wife's hospice.

He could have ended this all for him at any time, and become quite wealthy in the process. Yet for some reason, he's fighting to keep a woman out of hellish limbo, a woman who's been dead for fifteen years, a woman for whom he's clearly done grieving. The only explanations I can come up with are

1) He's consumed with a pathological hatred for the Schindlers and will suffer any misery in order to kill their daughter.

2) Despite the fact that he's moved on, he feels a responsibility for his first wife that means more to him than peace and millions of dollars.
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18-Till-I-Die wrote:Just because i want to put forth an obscenely ironic notion...

It would, to me, for some morbid reason, be interesting if they did an autopsy and it turns out she actually had a brain and was just in a coma.

Not that that will happen, but i just thought it'd be mind bogglingly ironic.
no mind boggeling ironic is the y find a pair of energizer batteries, next to her heart. or at the base of her spine.
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mwm1331 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
mwm1331 wrote:DW I can't think of any news organisations which haven't and don't violate the cornerstone of journalism, objectivity.
So? I can't think of any corporation which doesn't make a mistake sooner or later either, but that doesn't mean we can't determine that one of them does it much more flagrantly than the others, or even their own claims. FOXNews makes a big deal out of calling themselves "fair and balanced". By doing this, they raise their own duty of care.
I'm not commenting on fox news, I have never sen it, jjust pointing out that no news organistions are living up to thier duty of care.
IMHO singling one out as worse is if anything counterproductive. Rather than focusing on which are the worst offenders shouldn't the focus be on the industry wide trend away from objectivity?
You focus on Fox, nd they become the problem, you focus on the industry, and they are seen as what they are, one symptom of the problem.
Personally I would rather try and focus on the problem than the symptoms.
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Lord Zentei wrote:Friedman is a bona fide genius.
Knowing the sense of humor and understanding of satire the average fundie possesses, they'll probably take that at face value. And that would just be sad.
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If all humans are equal, then that would in principle also justify the termination of a family's children (though of course not in practice).
Cost benefit analysis my friend. WHile a child can contribute to group survival an infant is nothing but a burden if the group is trying to survive, which is why infanticide was practiced by pre-agriculture humans on a regular basis.

Abortion and even eating a baby would be jsutified if the survival of the entire group was at stake... assuming of clourse that a fetus is a person

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You know, the more I think about this, the more I think Michael Schiavo is a God damn hero.

Consider:

1. Whatever the state of his marriage in 1990 (and there are some signs it was starting to come apart), he spent years and thousands of dollars trying to bring his wife back.

2. He waited eight years to finally pull the plug. Rather than just exercise his power of attorney as her husband, he got a judge to arbitrate the dispute between him and his in-laws. They would reward him for this with years of vicious slander.

3. He was repeatedly offered absurd amounts of money to transfer custody to her parents, enough money for him, his fiancee, and his children to live comfortable for the rest of their lives.

4. He refused to buckle to outrageous slander from his in-laws, the press, and the political right. He fought the Florida state legislature, Governor Bush, Congress, and the President of the United States. He's had protesters at his house, death threats, and hundreds of imbeciles outside his wife's hospice.

He could have ended this all for him at any time, and become quite wealthy in the process. Yet for some reason, he's fighting to keep a woman out of hellish limbo, a woman who's been dead for fifteen years, a woman for whom he's clearly done grieving. The only explanations I can come up with are
1) He's consumed with a pathological hatred for the Schindlers and will suffer any misery in order to kill their daughter.
2) Despite the fact that he's moved on, he feels a responsibility for his first wife that means more to him than peace and millions of dollars.
I would go with option two...
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How about all of those years when we non-Christians had to say God or omit the word God in our heads while saying the pledge? It is just as easy, if not easier, for Christians to add the word “God” in their head while saying it and not having to subject all non-believers to a silly Christian tradition.With all of this religious talk, I’m starting to think that some people believe the apocalypse is coming.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Cost benefit analysis my friend. WHile a child can contribute to group survival an infant is nothing but a burden if the group is trying to survive, which is why infanticide was practiced by pre-agriculture humans on a regular basis.
I am definately in favour of cost benefit analysis. In fact it is an argument I use myself frequently. However it does not automatically entail that one should accomandate those who would act immorally. Such a practice would open a can of worms too large to contemplate.
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Abortion and even eating a baby would be jsutified if the survival of the entire group was at stake... assuming of clourse that a fetus is a person
That assumes the group has no choice in the matter. And yes, it does assume that the foetus is a person (which is irrelevant to the logic of the argument itself perse).
Alyrium Denryle wrote:but this is a bit of a side track
That it is. Lets just can it, rather than spam it.
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And the wackjobs just keep coming out of the woodwork...
The AP wrote: Jackson Prays With Terri Schiavo's Parents

Mar 29, 12:50 PM (ET)

By RON WORD

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (AP) - The parents of Terri Schiavo met and prayed Tuesday with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who called her impending death "an injustice."

Joining the conservatives who have rallied to the parents' cause, the liberal Jackson said he would call state senators who opposed legislation that would have reinserted Schiavo's feeding tube and ask them to reconsider.

Terri Schiavo was in her 12th day without food and water. Her husband and guardian, Michael Schiavo, has insisted that he was carrying out her wishes by having her feeding tube pulled. His lawyer said Monday that an autopsy was planned to show the extent of Terri Schiavo's brain damage.

Jackson's arrival Tuesday was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights."

"I feel so passionate about this injustice being done, how unnecessary it is to deny her a feeding tube, water, not even ice to be used for her parched lips," said Jackson, who has run for president as a Democrat. "This is a moral issue and it transcends politics and family disputes."

"I wanted the Reverend Jackson here for moral support," said Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother. "I feel good with him here. Very strong. He gives me strength."

University of South Florida political science professor Susan MacManus said Jackson's appearance shows that the life-and-death issues surrounding their daughter resonate beyond white, Christian conservatives.

"A person of faith, and not just a white, conservative person of faith will be seen as a welcomed change," MacManus said.

Schiavo's father, Bob Schindler, said he visited his daughter Tuesday and said she was "failing."

"She still looks pretty darn good under the circumstances," Schindler said. "You can see the impact of no food and water for 12 days. Her bodily functions are still working. We still have her."

After Jackson's news conference, a man was tackled to the ground by officers when he tried to storm into the hospice, Pinellas Park police said.

Dow Pursley, 56, of Scranton, Pa., was shocked with a Taser stun gun and was arrested on charges of attempted burglary and resisting arrest without violence, police spokesman Sanfield Forseth said. The man had two bottles of water with him but did not reach the hospice door, police said. He is the 47th protester arrested.

On Monday, George Felos, the attorney for husband and guardian Michael Schiavo, said that the chief medical examiner for Pinellas County, Dr. John Thogmartin, had agreed to perform an autopsy.

He said her husband wants definitive proof showing the extent of the brain damage.

An attorney for the Schindlers, David Gibbs III, said her family also wants an autopsy. "We would certainly support and encourage an autopsy to be done, with all the unanswered questions," Gibbs said.

Felos said he had visited Schiavo for more than an hour Monday and said she looked "very peaceful. She looked calm."

"I saw no evidence of any bodily discomfort whatsoever," Felos said, although he added her breathing seemed "a little on the rapid side" and her eyes were sunken.

Doctors have said Terri Schiavo, 41, would probably die within a week or two when the tube was removed on March 18. She suffered catastrophic brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped for several minutes because of a chemical imbalance.

The parents on Monday pressed again for President Bush, Congress and the president's brother, Gov. Jeb Bush, to intervene to have the feeding tube reinserted. A small group of supporters protested outside the White House gates.

As Schiavo drew closer to death, extra police officers blocked the road in front of the Florida hospice, and an elementary school next door was closed so students could avoid the crowd.

President Bush's aides have said they have run out of legal options.

At least two more appeals filed by the state seeking the feeding tube's reconnection were pending, but those challenges were before a Florida appeals court that had rejected the governor's previous efforts in the case.
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I thought for a second that we were having tabliod unification in action and micheal jackson was claiming to have found christ, after meeting/praying with terri's parents....
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In addition to Jackson's media whoring, didn't someone on CNN or elsewhere crawl out with the "pain is part of the human condition" bullshit? Some half-assed attempt to justify withholding euthanasia from individuals in tremendous pain and terminal health.
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Firefox wrote:In addition to Jackson's media whoring, didn't someone on CNN or elsewhere crawl out with the "pain is part of the human condition" bullshit? Some half-assed attempt to justify withholding euthanasia from individuals in tremendous pain and terminal health.
oooh Budda

ok no nirvana for the bulemics or for Ronald Raegan....
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