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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Shroomania has scientists who are experts in railgun technology. And Zablania also has experts in laser weaponry.

Zablorg posted some stuff about laser rifles, but that's... far fetched. Like General Deathdealer's railgun shtick

Zablorg COULD have developed low-powered lasers good enough to be used by astronauts/cosmonauts, like that Soviet Space Gun Stas posted some time ago in OT

Still, you've got Shroomania's magnet experts and Zablorg's laser dudes ready to join in on any tasks. Since Shroomania is not gonna build giant railguns on its land anymore, so we won't upset neighbors (we do have that functional big prototype that can test missiles and shoot stuff), I'm sure those Shroomanian scientists are looking for other avenues of work. Better building particle accelerators than building railgun superweapons for those Goddamn Libertopians.

So I take it you will join? We have particle physicists, computer scientists and engineers who specialise in superconducting magnets. The more development teams the merrier. It's a huge complex system.

DarthShady wrote:Stas when can i expect my An-25s to start arriving?

When FY 2009 kicks into action; that meaning, on 16th or later

DarthShady wrote:I would also like to place an order for a couple of BTR-60s and a wing of MiG-21s, i think i can afford it, and i need an air force fast.

Well, dude, that's cool by me - all of that tech is already retired, and if you aren't asking for too much, I can give you that.

DarthShady wrote:Also do you have any surplus tanks to sell?

Like what, T-72s or T-80s? What is thy wish?

P.S. As for the terrorists in the Central Sea, there's Syndromia. It's still not too stable and elements might be slipping through the inter-national shipping or just by using their own motor vessels.

When FY 2009 kicks into action; that meaning, on 16th or later Smile

Excellent.

Well, dude, that's cool by me - all of that tech is already retired, and if you aren't asking for too much, I can give you that.

That's great news. It may be retired but it can still kick ass.

Like what, T-72s or T-80s? Wink What is thy wish?

T-80s sound great.

Shroom Man 777 wrote: Zablorg posted some stuff about laser rifles, but that's... far fetched. Like General Deathdealer's railgun shtick

It's not very far fetched. The Navy tested their rail gun back in February. They are aiming at one that has a 200 mile range and require 65 Megajoules. The one tested only used 10 Megajoules of power. The one we would use would be lower in power than that and have a range of a conventional 5" gun. (I did not go into the range because I did not this the General would really care too much about that since he would be more excited about firing the rifle)
The Mass Driver was just an idea for our space program. Like I said in the post it needs more power than we could ever produce. I guess I should have gone on to say that we had to not built or tested one, just designed it on paper.
The Gauss Guns are very realistic. All of the info I got for them came from websites that had videos showing working models (albeit low powered ones). I only used info from the websites that could prove they had a working model.
Sorry for the confusion.

Damn...I'm pretty sure somebody wanted to order more FCS ships, but I must've missed his post. Could I please ask for a PM? That way, I won't loose track in the middle of this whole terrorist business.

PeZook wrote:Damn...I'm pretty sure somebody wanted to order more FCS ships, but I must've missed his post. Could I please ask for a PM? That way, I won't loose track in the middle of this whole terrorist business.

What do these FCS ships do?

Stas, I could use some T-72s and BTR-60s too. My FY 2009 budget is just about shot, though. I'll have to see what I can work in.
What kind of costs are we talking about here?
Are they cost-effective?
How hard are they to move for peacekeeping missions? That would be my primary purpose for them.

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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

PeZook wrote:Damn...I'm pretty sure somebody wanted to order more FCS ships, but I must've missed his post. Could I please ask for a PM? That way, I won't loose track in the middle of this whole terrorist business.

What do these FCS ships do?

The Fast Commerce Ship is the fastest and most reliable method of shipping your precious goods around SDNWorld. Ask any ISCA member (PeZook, ShroomMan 777, myself, RogueIce, and others) for details. Automated models are available as well.

Byzantium aims to be a trading power as of old. It will watch and see how effective these ships are, while operating and designing our own container vessels which are heavily automated as well.

General Deathdealer wrote:
It's not very far fetched. The Navy tested their rail gun back in February. They are aiming at one that has a 200 mile range and require 65 Megajoules. The one tested only used 10 Megajoules of power. The one we would use would be lower in power than that and have a range of a conventional 5" gun. (I did not go into the range because I did not this the General would really care too much about that since he would be more excited about firing the rifle)

Railguns ARE far fetched as practical devices right now, because the barrel erosion is so horrendous as to limit them to just one or two shots, no clear solution exists for this problem. The Navy has only tested static lab equipment, and it even its optimistic projections call for an in service date of around 2025-2030. In all likeliness these dates will not be met, and the original goal of 2015 was dismissed very early on as insane. Just because the US military spends money on something doesn’t mean its going to work.

People have shown interest in proposed Supercollider
1. Shroom Man
2. Stas Bush
3. Yosemite Bear.

Anymore?

The ITR is willing to consider funding the Supercollider; TT&T will also seek the contract to provide the required ultra-high-speed communications systems for it.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Byzantium aims to be a trading power as of old. It will watch and see how effective these ships are, while operating and designing our own container vessels which are heavily automated as well.

Or you could buy some WCS (Wilkonian Container Ships) which are the largest pure containerized transport out there right now. That and with Tsardom sized DWT-age available I'm offering cut-rate financing to get more works to my yards once orders for my navy start slowing down in the next 2-3 years.

phongn wrote:The ITR is willing to consider funding the Supercollider; TT&T will also seek the contract to provide the required ultra-high-speed communications systems for it.

Hmm.. I think we need to make a list and to divide the pie between consortium partners such that all are in agreement.

Things to look into:
1. Tunneling equipment
2. Computer systems -> Rather large. Can be divided up. Includes datacenters, servers, etc.
3. R&D - Detectors - Physics etc.
4. Communications
5. Superconducting magnets -> Byzantium has expertise, but is willing to share the workload to speed things up.
6. Other heavy construction.

If there's more to add, I will add it to the list.

CmdrWilkens wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Byzantium aims to be a trading power as of old. It will watch and see how effective these ships are, while operating and designing our own container vessels which are heavily automated as well.

Or you could buy some WCS (Wilkonian Container Ships) which are the largest pure containerized transport out there right now. That and with Tsardom sized DWT-age available I'm offering cut-rate financing to get more works to my yards once orders for my navy start slowing down in the next 2-3 years.

Byzantium is willing to pay more for technology transfer and license. It is willing to allow WCS to build a good portion of the order. Is that acceptable?

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

CmdrWilkens wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Byzantium aims to be a trading power as of old. It will watch and see how effective these ships are, while operating and designing our own container vessels which are heavily automated as well.

Or you could buy some WCS (Wilkonian Container Ships) which are the largest pure containerized transport out there right now. That and with Tsardom sized DWT-age available I'm offering cut-rate financing to get more works to my yards once orders for my navy start slowing down in the next 2-3 years.

Byzantium is willing to pay more for technology transfer and license. It is willing to allow WCS to build a good portion of the order. Is that acceptable?

That would be fine, the actual contractor is Fulton Commercial Services Yard but the ship is known as the WCS. Its a 110,000 DWT vessel capable of carrying 8,000 TEU with a crew of a dozen. Financing for vessels (rough delivery schedule would be one per 9 months) is available based on your needs and liscensing and experties for self construction can be worked out in addition.

Speaking of foolishness, Fingolfin, you do know in order to "catch up" to the nations space program's your going to have to spend another 300 billion dollars and that's this year alone. Your going to need 30 billion to put something into a LEO orbit unless some country is willing to give you designs and equipment to you free.

Right now I have an interest in space programs, and in supercolliders. Yes the complex is basically a giant concrete doughnut, deep in a stable salt flat desert right now. the Reason for the airbase being there is for safe testing of prototypes. Oh and the LotR refrences were just there.

If the SSC was any indication, it'll probably cost something like $20bn in current dollars to build. Also, do we even have enough particle physicists to make such an undertaking worthwhile?

There's also the idea of fusion research, though that'll likely cost even more.

BTW if you want to use Senator Frye's Traditionalists, and their Robber Baron hypocritical mentalities go ahead, please.

phongn wrote:If the SSC was any indication, it'll probably cost something like $20bn in current dollars to build. Also, do we even have enough particle physicists to make such an undertaking worthwhile?

There's also the idea of fusion research, though that'll likely cost even more.

I'm thinking of something less powerful like the LHC. The SSC probably would cost a lot more like 40-50 billion or so. 10 or so billion was expanded just to build a small section of the tunnel and some related research. The LHC will probably cost 20 billion or so?

Mr Bean wrote: Speaking of foolishness, Fingolfin, you do know in order to "catch up" to the nations space program's your going to have to spend another 300 billion dollars and that's this year alone. Your going to need 30 billion to put something into a LEO orbit unless some country is willing to give you designs and equipment to you free.

Alright, I will revise up my estimates and will look into other measures for the time being.

CmdrWilkens wrote: That would be fine, the actual contractor is Fulton Commercial Services Yard but the ship is known as the WCS. Its a 110,000 DWT vessel capable of carrying 8,000 TEU with a crew of a dozen. Financing for vessels (rough delivery schedule would be one per 9 months) is available based on your needs and liscensing and experties for self construction can be worked out in addition.

The Yard at Constantinople is the finest, with the others in varying decreasing levels of capability which may be devoted to producing smaller ships and servicing and so forth. I'm not sure how the yard at Constantinople will compare to your yards, though it has produced the lead carrier of the fleet. How about 10 vessels, spanning over the course of 4 years with 5 split in between the two yards? Our yard will spend 6months assessing the design and making preparations to undertake and subcontract the necessary parts to the other shipyards to expedite production.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I'm thinking of something less powerful like the LHC. The SSC probably would cost a lot more like 40-50 billion or so. 10 or so billion was expanded just to build a small section of the tunnel and some related research. The LHC will probably cost 20 billion or so?

For the SSC, $2bn was spent out of a projected $12bn; the LHC is expected to cost about $10-12bn when finished, IIRC.

phongn wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I'm thinking of something less powerful like the LHC. The SSC probably would cost a lot more like 40-50 billion or so. 10 or so billion was expanded just to build a small section of the tunnel and some related research. The LHC will probably cost 20 billion or so?

For the SSC, $2bn was spent out of a projected $12bn; the LHC is expected to cost about $10-12bn when finished, IIRC.

The LHC doesn't include the tunneling as it reused the same tunnel that the LEP used.

Stas Bush wrote:P.S. As for the terrorists in the Central Sea, there's Syndromia. It's still not too stable and elements might be slipping through the inter-national shipping or just by using their own motor vessels.

There is also the Mangka Republic. Though a MESS member and we're doing our best to clean it up, the corruption is so entrenched and wide-spread (and distrust of authority, especially foreign assisted officials) that we're pretty much trying to empty the ocean with buckets dealing with this.

Of course there is the problem shared by both sites: location. Syndromia is well within range of Blackadder, PeZookia, and others who would work to free hostages. Mangka is a member of the MESS and close by Tian Xia who would doubtless stage operations to rescue any hostages and take down terrorists.

Libertia's main disadvantage, distance, is also its main advantage. For all practical purposes you need a carrier of some type (aircraft, USN LHD-types, etc) to base any missions from in any reasonable time. And those assets have to be close enough to make a difference. Like PeZook said, if my third carrier had been unavailable (my main deployable one was working aid for the Bear Republic) we would probably have lost them. Landing aircraft in Libertia is time consuming and, ultimately, extremely dangerous: if any of the militias can disable any of them, you're forced to send a rescue team for your rescuers. It'd be like Black Hawk Down but worse.

Without a carrier of some type, those rescue teams are on their own. If things go wrong, they're stuck. And the time it takes to get them there could mean you'd have little hope of finding them anyway. We got lucky once; the terrorists doubtless know that we won't always be so lucky as to have a flat-top within range. And if we don't, well...

RogueIce wrote:Libertia's main disadvantage, distance, is also its main advantage. For all practical purposes you need a carrier of some type (aircraft, USN LHD-types, etc) to base any missions from in any reasonable time. And those assets have to be close enough to make a difference.

That's why the C-46 Program was started. A 6,000 mile ranged assault airlifter capable of flying 60 fully armed men (200 lbs for each guy, 300 pounds of explosives, etc etc) that distance with no aerial refuelling needed to achieve those ranges.

Of course, we required nearly as much fuel as a full size C-17....but thems the breaks.

MKSheppard wrote:

RogueIce wrote:Libertia's main disadvantage, distance, is also its main advantage. For all practical purposes you need a carrier of some type (aircraft, USN LHD-types, etc) to base any missions from in any reasonable time. And those assets have to be close enough to make a difference.

That's why the C-46 Program was started. A 6,000 mile ranged assault airlifter capable of flying 60 fully armed men (200 lbs for each guy, 300 pounds of explosives, etc etc) that distance with no aerial refuelling needed to achieve those ranges.

Of course, we required nearly as much fuel as a full size C-17....but thems the breaks.

What about that crazy Marine orbital insertion transport to deploy anywhere in the world?

*Edit, I relooked at the cost of that system and the development time, Rockets Scramjets and only 13 marines each in a 41 million dollar craft with a 2.1 million dollar a year maintenance budget? screw it, Drop-pods from a Space-Station here we come.