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[PeZook]

Alas, since any of my SF people would be essentially playing catch-up to the hijacked airliner, there's no way they can get there ahead of time. But my Rangers will be ready to go. They have 24 MH-60K Black Hawks and 6 AH-6C Little Birds in an attack configuration.

Well, yeah - the airliner will probably land within the next few hours, while the carrier will be close enough in about 20, and the Rangers will probably need some time to prepare,too. Sadly, dispersing the hostages is practically a certainty - these guys are pretty smart. There is little chance of recovering everybody.

With 24 BlackHawks we can move half the batallion in one go, though, so these underarmed Libertopian militias are in for one hell of a surprise.

The carrier has 10 A-6Es, 16 F-14Ds, 2 E-2C and 12 F/A-18Es. There is also the usual complement of EA-6Bs and MH-60Rs if you'd need them.

Extraction will require 2+ flights from all Blackhawks, so I think your rangers will need the CAS while in there.

[K. A. Pital]

Any takers for the SuperCollider?

It would require around 10 years to construct a supercollider, but I'm all in it. Those in construction would have to dedicate a billion each year.

Also, renew MAP Fingolfin_Noldor, and look in the left upper corner

You could actually PM Crossroads about the collider, he's a neighbor of yours and likes science and research. Shroom is not far too.

and decide what collider do you need. since we're somewhere end XX century, we need to push onwards and take the Large Hadron Collider methinks.

[RogueIce]

Alas, since any of my SF people would be essentially playing catch-up to the hijacked airliner, there's no way they can get there ahead of time. But my Rangers will be ready to go. They have 24 MH-60K Black Hawks and 6 AH-6C Little Birds in an attack configuration.

Well, yeah - the airliner will probably land within the next few hours, while the carrier will be close enough in about 20, and the Rangers will probably need some time to prepare,too. Sadly, dispersing the hostages is practically a certainty - these guys are pretty smart. There is little chance of recovering everybody.

Keep in mind I have an E-3, some F-22s, and am about to retcon a couple KC-10s following them. I doubt they can stay in the area for 20 hours but we should at least have the landing site.

With 24 BlackHawks we can move half the batallion in one go, though, so these underarmed Libertopian militias are in for one hell of a surprise.

So long as there's no Black Hawk Down incidents. Which I'd rather there not be. I'd hate to replace one of my SF birds.

Can MH-60Rs haul around any passengers? I know we can give them Hellfires but I'm wondering if they'd be able to serve as extra passenger helos in an emergency.

Extraction will require 2+ flights from all Blackhawks, so I think your rangers will need the CAS while in there.

Definately.

[K. A. Pital]

shit, that's too far for me to be of any help.

Bear's megafauna attack on the Pezookian freighter was pretty close, so I could chime in with a few Su-27MKs, but here... duh

and I can't run my An-225 over Libertopia either, they probably procured some SAMs frm the breakdown Syndromia and maybe New Gottland regions, and their former government whatever it was...

So I'd be wary. Losing an AN-225 with a Spetsnaz unit with all hands and a BTR would be too much of a blow. I'd face resignation

EDIT: well cool, the Ushakov arrived at least my ship could help kick the ass of that Libertopian group which tried it.

[PeZook]

Keep in mind I have an E-3, some F-22s, and am about to retcon a couple KC-10s following them. I doubt they can stay in the area for 20 hours but we should at least have the landing site.

They will be useful for surveillance. I mean, they can move the hostages using two methods: either trucks/technicals, or on foot. It will be easy to track the trucks, and they won't move very far on foot.

I figure they probably have some local support, but I doubt they will disperse the hostages in very small groups. More likely, we'll see 2-3 groups of a couple dozen people, shoved somewhere they think we can't get at them.

So long as there's no Black Hawk Down incidents. Which I'd rather there not be. I'd hate to replace one of my SF birds.

Well, I'd rather hope there aren't any BHD incidents because of the potential loss of life

However, we have proprer air support here, so I doubt something as bad will happen.

Can MH-60Rs haul around any passengers? I know we can give them Hellfires but I'm wondering if they'd be able to serve as extra passenger helos in an emergency.

They can carry three, I think.

shit, that's too far for me to be of any help.

Bear's megafauna attack on the Pezookian freighter was pretty close, so I could chime in with a few Su-27MKs, but here... duh Sad

Medical aid, dude. Lots and lots of medical aid in Astoria would be most welcome - there are 300 people in that school, not allowed any food,medicine or even bathroom trips. My hospitals will be overwhelmed.

and I can't run my An-225 over Libertopia either, they probably procured some SAMs frm the breakdown Syndromia and maybe New Gottland regions, and their former government whatever it was...

Yeah, and there's Saddamistan with it's bombastic statements about shooting down any airplane within 380 nm of their borders...

So I'd be wary. Losing an AN-225 with a Spetsnaz unit with all hands and a BTR would be too much of a blow. Sad I'd face resignation Sad

That's cool, dude: an AN-225 full of medical personnell and a field hospital will be much more appreciated, and there will be no risk of a crazy, Khat-fuelled Libertopian shooting it down.

[RogueIce]

In other news, given that units of my Army have been deployed in response to this crisis, I felt it best to post up some stats on them in the Ref thread.

Also, since the hostages will no doubt need medical support I'm having C-2s readied to serve as MEDIVAC aircraft in case the carrier's onboard medical facilities get overwhelmed.

Being a Nimitz they should be able to handle most of it but I'd rather be prepared. Alas I can't risk a C-117 or any other aircraft to land in Libertia itself so C-2s will have to do.

This is going to be complicated. Do I have PeZookian soldiers or are they all simply planners? While I feel confident my Rangers can pull it off I'm wondering if there might be any difficulties in having a foreign unit they never worked with before in the mix, or if it's all an SR operation with planning help from the II Republic. Which would probably be simpler.

I wish I had had an SF team ready to go with the Rangers, but it was difficult enough to scramble that BN and SOAR Squadron on such short notice. Any SF personnel from the SR would simply delay everything. Perhaps there were PeZookia recon teams dispatched with your planners?

[Shroom Man 777]

I have been told that my GDP per capita is like motherfucking Puerto Rico. What the hell?! I'm poor!

[PeZook]

Being a Nimitz they should be able to handle most of it but I'd rather be prepared. Alas I can't risk a C-117 or any other aircraft to land in Libertia itself so C-2s will have to do.

There are only 82 hostages ; The Nimitz should be able to easily handle that.

This is going to be complicated. Do I have PeZookian soldiers or are they all simply planners? While I feel confident my Rangers can pull it off I'm wondering if there might be any difficulties in having a foreign unit they never worked with before in the mix, or if it's all an SR operation with planning help from the II Republic. Which would probably be simpler.

I think it would work best if the Rangers conduct the operation, maybe with liaison officers who would serve as translators and such. Introducing another unit is unnecessary and would destroy cohesion: they use different procedures, code phrases, hand signals etc.

I wish I had had an SF team ready to go with the Rangers, but it was difficult enough to scramble that BN and SOAR Squadron on such short notice. Any SF personnel from the SR would simply delay everything. Perhaps there were PeZookia recon teams dispatched with your planners?

Well, I have GROM running the rescue operation at the school, but it's only one platoon ; I suppose that I could easily spare another platoon or two to serve as recon before the main assault. If they get on a plane to Shinra now they should be at the battle group in what, 10 hours? Give them another 8 for chow, sleep and prep and they can be inserted within 24 easy. And since they would work as a separate unit from the Rangers, there won't be any cohesion issues.

[RogueIce]

Being a Nimitz they should be able to handle most of it but I'd rather be prepared. Alas I can't risk a C-117 or any other aircraft to land in Libertia itself so C-2s will have to do.

There are only 82 hostages ; The Nimitz should be able to easily handle that.

True. If nothing else they'll be ready to start shipping people off who are able. Between the Rangers, SOAR flight and ground crews, as well as the existing carrier complement, it may get a little crowded.

I think it would work best if the Rangers conduct the operation, maybe with liaison officers who would serve as translators and such. Introducing another unit is unnecessary and would destroy cohesion: they use different procedures, code phrases, hand signals etc.

I'd agree.

Still, we might want to work to build some cohesion between our various militaries. Terrorists will take notice and no doubt probably try to find a place that isn't as able to deal with this as an L4 or L5 nation can.

Certainly not trying to land in a nation like the Shinra Republic, giving us time to be on the alert and get assets in play, which is how the carrier and Rangers could link up like that: the carrier was already coming back in and the Rangers alerted after the plane touched down. The E-3/F-22/KC-10 shadow was also ready to go thanks to the intial airspace violation.

Terrorists won't make that mistake again. Which means our ability to respond like this may be hampered depending on where they go.

Well, I have GROM running the rescue operation at the school, but it's only one platoon ; I suppose that I could easily spare another platoon or two to serve as recon before the main assault. If they get on a plane to Shinra now they should be at the battle group in what, 10 hours? Give them another 8 for chow, sleep and prep and they can be inserted within 24 easy. And since they would work as a separate unit from the Rangers, there won't be any cohesion issues.

That'll work. Although if they're flying from PeZookia then we might as well cut off some time and scramble them from here. If they had already been at the carrier it would be one thing, but if they're crossing through the SR anyway it'd be faster to have us send a couple SF teams down there anyway.

Your call though. We'll defer to the PeZookian military on this. If your teams do go, they'll be met by SOC personnel to make sure our radios work together.

[Shroom Man 777]

Umm... since I didn't want to be poor like Puerto Rico, I shaved 8,000,000 off my population. Shroomania's pop is now 30mil and my GDP per capita is like New Zealand. Or Israel. Sweet.

[PeZook]

True. If nothing else they'll be ready to start shipping people off who are able. Between the Rangers, SOAR flight and ground crews, as well as the existing carrier complement, it may get a little crowded.

People here will probably be in better shape than those at the school, though, so I figure about 50% of them can be shipped off immediately. Worst case scenario, they get moved around the battlegroup a bit.

Still, we might want to work to build some cohesion between our various militaries. Terrorists will take notice and no doubt probably try to find a place that isn't as able to deal with this as an L4 or L5 nation can.

Some form of international anti-terrorism unit? I'm game.

Certainly not trying to land in a nation like the Shinra Republic, giving us time to be on the alert and get assets in play, which is how the carrier and Rangers could link up like that: the carrier was already coming back in and the Rangers alerted after the plane touched down. The E-3/F-22/KC-10 shadow was also ready to go thanks to the intial airspace violation.

Well, they didn't have anywhere else to go ; You have to pass through hostile Kingdoms on the way out of the Central Sea. Or Saddamistan

That'll work. Although if they're flying from PeZookia then we might as well cut off some time and scramble them from here. If they had already been at the carrier it would be one thing, but if they're crossing through the SR anyway it'd be faster to have us send a couple SF teams down there anyway.

Yeah, I agree. GROM is out of the operation in Libertopia, then. Besides, they'd need rest after that flight, and that will just hamper things.

I'll send in some more translators, though - they will come in handy when dealing with frightened hostages, who probably won't know who is who when the Rangers storm in.

Your call though. We'll defer to the PeZookian military on this. If your teams do go, they'll be met by SOC personnel to make sure our radios work together.

We use your SF for this one.

[RogueIce]

Some form of international anti-terrorism unit? I'm game.

We'll definately have to work something out.

Well, they didn't have anywhere else to go ; You have to pass through hostile Kingdoms on the way out of the Central Sea. Or Saddamistan

True, but a Kingdom is less able to deal with this than a Tsardom. Zoria and New Gottland would have probably let them fly through and they could probably force a refueling from St. George. None of them would have the ability to quickly mobilize towards Libertia.

Given that our naval exercises will mostly occur in the Western Ocean, any such attempts to go through us will have to cross over that way to get into Libertia. Still, we were lucky my third carrier wasn't in a refit cycle, since my normal active carrier was pressed into relief duties. If they hadn't been available we wouldn't have a carrier to base this mission from.

However, going through the Kingdoms and St. George (a Tsardom but fairly undermilitarized; they have 1 CVN but it depends on where they are in the cycle) would also do the same thing, and put them on the opposite coast from where my assets would be.

There really aren't many good options for terrorists in the Central Sea to flee from. Between me, Shroomania, the RT and Blackadder there are plenty of areas with the strength to deal with it. Libertia is their only refuge and that means going through me or Zoria and eventually St. George (or Saddamistan but that's suicide).

Sucks to be them.

I'll send in some more translators, though - they will come in handy when dealing with frightened hostages, who probably won't know who is who when the Rangers storm in.

Got it.

We use your SF for this one.

Alright. You want to sim it? Since the whole force is basically a US military operation it shouldn't be too bad getting in the mode. And I prefer your so-far demonstrated RP skills over mine. Plus, they're your people.

If you want though we can talk over PM and ICQ to work it out.

Any time delay is easily explained away as it being reported "after the fact".

[PeZook]

True, but a Kingdom is less able to deal with this than a Tsardom. Zoria and New Gottland would have probably let them fly through and they could probably force a refueling from St. George. None of them would have the ability to quickly mobilize towards Libertia.

Hmm...this much is true. I guess they really did make a big mistake.

Although, this way has its own merits: they could land quickly and force a refuelling before people knew what was going on. Refuelling in St. George runs the risk of a CT unit already waiting for them at the tarmac, and moving in with the fuel truck.

Given that our naval exercises will mostly occur in the Western Ocean, any such attempts to go through us will have to cross over that way to get into Libertia. Still, we were lucky my third carrier wasn't in a refit cycle, since my normal active carrier was pressed into relief duties. If they hadn't been available we wouldn't have a carrier to base this mission from.

Yeah, we'd probably lose those hostages if it weren't for this fortunate situation.

However, going through the Kingdoms and St. George (a Tsardom but fairly undermilitarized; they have 1 CVN but it depends on where they are in the cycle) would also do the same thing, and put them on the opposite coast from where my assets would be.

Well, St. George itself could be used as a carrier then, although only for fixed-wing assets. Helicopters are so much better for an operation like this, though.

Sucks to be them.

Oh, hell yeah. Though it probably sucks much more to be the hostages if a crazy bunch of hijackers decide to violate Saddamistan's airspace

Alright. You want to sim it? Since the whole force is basically a US military operation it shouldn't be too bad getting in the mode. And I prefer your so-far demonstrated RP skills over mine. Plus, they're your people.

If you want though we can talk over PM and ICQ to work it out.

Sure, I'll write something up. We can just use the ISCA spreadsheet for chat, since I don't have ICQ here.

[RogueIce]

Hmm...this much is true. I guess they really did make a big mistake.

Although, this way has its own merits: they could land quickly and force a refuelling before people knew what was going on. Refuelling in St. George runs the risk of a CT unit already waiting for them at the tarmac, and moving in with the fuel truck.

Yeah. They can probably get away with a forced refueling before any military forces could be mobilized, though my police would be there of course.

Still, this just gives me a chance to get my military into action. So when they head for Libertia (the only real option they have) we'd be ready for them, most of the time at least.

Yeah, we'd probably lose those hostages if it weren't for this fortunate situation.

Indeed. We'd mostly have one carrier deployed at any one time, and then generally in the Western Ocean. However, if we go to the East to participate with the MESS or the Battlegroup is anywhere else we'd run into problems.

Of course at some point I'll probably start constructing an Amphibious Ready Group, but that won't be for another two years at least since my yards are pretty full with the ISCA. Unless I had more capacity but I need to actually figure out this economy thing first.

Well, St. George itself could be used as a carrier then, although only for fixed-wing assets. Helicopters are so much better for an operation like this, though.

True. It could be doable with the right assets, but it'd be incredibly dangerous and difficult. We'd almost have to have an International Force for that. I don't think any of us has the air assests to handle that kind of operation alone on such short notice.

Oh, hell yeah. Though it probably sucks much more to be the hostages if a crazy bunch of hijackers decide to violate Saddamistan's airspace

True. If it ever came to that we'd have no options. The only thing we could do is try to get them to turn away if we managed an intercept. But I know my fighters will turn away from Saddamistan at the first warning message. It'd be far too risky otherwise.

Sure, I'll write something up. We can just use the ISCA spreadsheet for chat, since I don't have ICQ here.

I still have no idea how to do that. I can see the menu for the Docs but haven't a clue how to chat through that.

[PeZook]

Sure, I'll write something up. We can just use the ISCA spreadsheet for chat, since I don't have ICQ here.

I still have no idea how to do that. I can see the menu for the Docs but haven't a clue how to chat through that.

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You log in, you should see a list of documents you make/collaborate in.

You click on the ISCA budget thing, and there are three bookmarks to the right: click on discuss, and I should be right there.

You need java for that though.

[RogueIce]

You log in, you should see a list of documents you make/collaborate in.

You click on the ISCA budget thing, and there are three bookmarks to the right: click on discuss, and I should be right there.

You need java for that though.

It appears I lack the Java.

I did make a regular document. It'll be clumsy but you could write in that or something.

[RogueIce]

You log in, you should see a list of documents you make/collaborate in.

You click on the ISCA budget thing, and there are three bookmarks to the right: click on discuss, and I should be right there.

You need java for that though.

It appears I lack the Java.

I did make a regular document. It'll be clumsy but you could write in that or something.

According to java.com I have the latest version. I have no idea why it won't work for me.

[PeZook]

According to java.com I have the latest version. I have no idea why it won't work for me.

Aw, forget it. We'll just use PM's

[K. A. Pital]

guys, my proposal is that year's end falls tomorrow, which means tomorrow evening it's new year's eve, and next day (the 16th) is next year.

and this will follow from month to month.

so that we can easily control timeflow, you know - end-month and mid-month are new years

[The Yosemite Bear]

Any takers for the SuperCollider?

It would require around 10 years to construct a supercollider, but I'm all in it. Those in construction would have to dedicate a billion each year.

Also, renew MAP Fingolfin_Noldor, and look in the left upper corner

You could actually PM Crossroads about the collider, he's a neighbor of yours and likes science and research. Shroom is not far too.

and decide what collider do you need. since we're somewhere end XX century, we need to push onwards and take the Large Hadron Collider methinks.

Well we did build the complex, just none of the hard ware got installed and then I had a natural disaster derail the budget.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well we did build the complex, just none of the hard ware got installed and then I had a natural disaster derail the budget.

How much of it has been completed? We would be happy to help furnish the hardware needed to finish the accelerator. Also, is the accelerator a ring type of the LHC variety?

There is need to locate the datacenters needed to process the data from the accelerator though. The University of Constantinople, Athens, Thessalonika and Nicaea are looking to build their own, but even modern standards, there were several tier 1, 2 centers to process the petabytes of data.

Also, I propose a research consortium to manage the accelerator. Members are expected to chip in for the first few years of construction 1 billion each. Could be less if more join.

[K. A. Pital]

Also, I propose a research consortium to manage the accelerator. Members are expected to chip in for the first few years of construction 1 billion each.

No, not 1 billion each. 1 billion for the first year summary. You need 10 billion, 10 years to make one.

SInce it's a highly complex object and an engineering boondogle expending more money would hardly make construction faster; just make it more expensive in the end.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Also, I propose a research consortium to manage the accelerator. Members are expected to chip in for the first few years of construction 1 billion each.

No, not 1 billion each. 1 billion for the first year summary. You need 10 billion, 10 years to make one.

SInce it's a highly complex object and an engineering boondogle expending more money would hardly make construction faster; just make it more expensive in the end.

Technically, the LHC is 12 billion, but that's because they are using the same tunnel as the LEP.

But I guess 10 billion is close enough.

[DarthShady]

Stas when can i expect my An-25s to start arriving?

I would also like to place an order for a couple of BTR-60s and a wing of MiG-21s, i think i can afford it, and i need an air force fast.

Also do you have any surplus tanks to sell?

[Shroom Man 777]

Shroomania has scientists who are experts in railgun technology. And Zablania also has experts in laser weaponry.

Zablorg posted some stuff about laser rifles, but that's... far fetched. Like General Deathdealer's railgun shtick

Zablorg COULD have developed low-powered lasers good enough to be used by astronauts/cosmonauts, like that Soviet Space Gun Stas posted some time ago in OT

Still, you've got Shroomania's magnet experts and Zablorg's laser dudes ready to join in on any tasks. Since Shroomania is not gonna build giant railguns on its land anymore, so we won't upset neighbors (we do have that functional big prototype that can test missiles and shoot stuff), I'm sure those Shroomanian scientists are looking for other avenues of work. Better building particle accelerators than building railgun superweapons for those Goddamn Libertopians.