SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread?

[MKSheppard]

Is this world completely covered in water except for the archipelago? It could be fun if we "found" new continents and rushed to land grab.

[Mr Bean]

Is this world completely covered in water except for the archipelago? It could be fun if we "found" new continents and rushed to land grab.

No, land is only hand waved into existance once a new member joins if they then leave the land remains and so far rapidly dissolves into a civil war.

[PeZook]

As to my shipbuilding and the ISCA, I gotta see what I can do. I'm going to need a good-sized military as I told Stas: I'm basically responsible for the protection of the Duchy of Baal and the Principality of Tongdijuana, in addition to my own. Further, I have the isolationist and largely unknown intentions of Saddamistan just to the south of me. OOC I have no problem believing Skimmer when he says he's not out to cause trouble. In universe, of course, I have to be careful. So I need to see what I can do here.

This is fine ; I have assumed you have the same capacity as Shroom when it comes to building DWT. Please declare how much of this capacity can be administered by ISCA work orders, and I'll update them accordingly.

ISCA budget and work orders can be found here.

The document is being updated all the time ; You can comment on it freely, as ISCA regulations demand that a 2/3 majority vote of member nations approves of the budget before it is accepted.

As I told Shroom I'm taking 10 FCS from him now. Some of those will be in operational use, others will be in Testing and Evaluation.

Only 10? Well, I have taken this into account in the current draft of the work orders.

The FCS is a new project, of course, but PeZookia can juggle some specialists between shipyards to aid in their construction. Only PeZookian shipyards have any experience in building the FCS, all other nations will have to go from plans.

On that note Shroom, I extend my original order in the PM to 3 ACVs as well, again for purposes of familiarization. I figure I'll probably build them too, even though I might stick with just the FCS design for my own shipping needs.

By participating in the ISCA, you will get those ships at-cost after you order them! Win-win!

As I wrote, check the ISCA budget and note any complaints you've got.

[RogueIce]

As I wrote, check the ISCA budget and note any complaints you've got.

Looking over it now.

Hey, I have a Google account. How do I do the comment thing or whatever?

And I'll gladly take those specialists for my order. Hopefully after they cut their teeth on 10 (the ones in my fleet) they'll be more than capable to build a quality product for the Red Technocracy.

Ok nevermind, I get it. But my 10 go first so I can make sure the 14 at the end of the line are good to go.

Actually wait, is this account assuming all of what my country can (presumably) build in a year? Of any ship types?

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

DarthShady, I see your Shadow Assassins, and I raise you the Langley Royal Guard.





Nothing says "security" like a Japanese woman wearing a French maid uniform and packing an M4 Carbine.

Also, as a free gift, two pictures of the women of the regular Armed Forces:


An Army NCO wearing the standard battle dress uniform

- pic hyperlinked because it's too fucking HUEG -
A Marine Force Recon operative posing on her scout bike (note the Howa Type 89 in place of the standard FN SCAR-L)

[The Yosemite Bear]

That's nothing you should see The Bear Republic's "Pretorian Guards" we went and built catsuits out of anti-ballistic mesh.

[Mr Bean]

Speaking of news, what shall we call the re-named Skull Island, seeing as it's going to be turned over to the world as a whole, Skull island simply won't do.

So what do we name this new International-land ?

[The Yosemite Bear]

I'm about to create a natural disaster.

the effects of which you can decide for your own states:

[Shroom Man 777]

We need to find out exactly where the thing hit. See how the tsunamis radiate outwards, to see who gets hit.

[The Yosemite Bear]

intial first breakdown of the Natural Disaster.

So far there are a few thousand dead in the flooding of Pirate's bay, still no word from the southern desert area.

[Master_Baerne]

Baerne Island is unaffected, since the United Kingdom of Blackadder is between the disaster and us.

[PeZook]

Hey, I have a Google account. How do I do the comment thing or whatever?

I think I need to invite you to the project or something. I'll see into it

And I'll gladly take those specialists for my order. Hopefully after they cut their teeth on 10 (the ones in my fleet) they'll be more than capable to build a quality product for the Red Technocracy.

Yeah, I hope the Red Technocracy gets a quality product, too

Ok nevermind, I get it. But my 10 go first so I can make sure the 14 at the end of the line are good to go.

Of course. Fortunately, I've already been building them for a few months, and I built a few prototypes, so my people should have a good grasp of all the problems.

Actually wait, is this account assuming all of what my country can (presumably) build in a year? Of any ship types?

Yes. Of course, you can commit less than that to ISCA, or if you feel your capacity is too smal, we can up it a bit.

[Master_Baerne]

Hey, I have a Google account. How do I do the comment thing or whatever?

I think I need to invite you to the project or something. I'll see into it

And I'll gladly take those specialists for my order. Hopefully after they cut their teeth on 10 (the ones in my fleet) they'll be more than capable to build a quality product for the Red Technocracy.

Yeah, I hope the Red Technocracy gets a quality product, too

-Turns white- So do I!

Yes. Of course, you can commit less than that to ISCA, or if you feel your capacity is too smal, we can up it a bit.

Every little bit helps.

[The Yosemite Bear]

noted updated map showing the effects of the flooding:

[RogueIce]

Hey, I have a Yes. Of course, you can commit less than that to ISCA, or if you feel your capacity is too smal, we can up it a bit.

Ok. Because my announced FF-X program shouldn't be done (or at least have a hull ready to produce) until the end of this order anyway. Which is what, a year I think?

[PeZook]

Ok. Because my announced FF-X program shouldn't be done (or at least have a hull ready to produce) until the end of this order anyway. Which is what, a year I think?

Yeah, the budget document is done for one fiscal year. We split the profits then, and run the procedure again for FY2010. You can declare less space for ISCA then. Or pull out altogether, if it doesn't suit you

[RogueIce]

Ok. Because my announced FF-X program shouldn't be done (or at least have a hull ready to produce) until the end of this order anyway. Which is what, a year I think?

Yeah, the budget document is done for one fiscal year. We split the profits then, and run the procedure again for FY2010. You can declare less space for ISCA then. Or pull out altogether, if it doesn't suit you

All right. My current plan is to run it as so: start two FCS ships, wait 3 months, and start another two, and so on for the first 10 (mine). That way I will have 2 crews who have splashed down a ship before starting on the Red Technocracy order. Unfortunately this means a year delay before starting the Red Technocracy ships, and another year for deployment (construction should speed up WRT number of ships at once, however). So those 14 won't be counted on the FY09 budget (at least not for money made) as I'm not charging him to wait.

I will of course appreciate all technical assistance PeZookia can offer.

I apologize to the Red Technocracy for the delay. However, as my shipbuilding crews have no experience building vessels of any kind, let alone the FCS, I'd rather have them cut their teeth on my hulls before starting on yours. As I said before, you won't be charged until construction begins on each hull.

[K. A. Pital]

1) HOW THE HELL DID ZOR LAUNCH A HUMAN INTO SPACE THAT FAST!!!!

2) HOW THE HELL IS THAT A "SECOND" HUMAN ALREADY?!!!

EDIT *sigh* I guess that's the issue with realistic space programmes, me, Shep and Bean waste billions on this programme and then just "bow-wow", second human in space already.

Do people even know that the approximate costs of the Soviet programme to launch a human into space were around 150 billion modern USDs, IIRC, spent over a period of 4 years from satlaunch to man launch?

Now, given the calcs to do it are there but the tech is not, you could limit that to two years, but please, in SIX MONTHS?

And you didn't even announce the construction of either spaceport or spaceship!!!

Now, we will seriously see Zoria as military threat since it apparently accomplished a mobilizational economy feat...

[PeZook]

I apologize to the Red Technocracy for the delay. However, as my shipbuilding crews have no experience building vessels of any kind, let alone the FCS, I'd rather have them cut their teeth on my hulls before starting on yours. As I said before, you won't be charged until construction begins on each hull.

Hmmm...you're a Tsardom, dude. Zor declared you have a developed shipbuilding industry, so it's rather doubtful your yardworkers have never built a large ship before.

In fact, I probably pegged your capacity too low

[RogueIce]

I apologize to the Red Technocracy for the delay. However, as my shipbuilding crews have no experience building vessels of any kind, let alone the FCS, I'd rather have them cut their teeth on my hulls before starting on yours. As I said before, you won't be charged until construction begins on each hull.

Hmmm...you're a Tsardom, dude. Zor declared you have a developed shipbuilding industry, so it's rather doubtful your yardworkers have never built a large ship before.

In fact, I probably pegged your capacity too low

Probably. But I've never announced it. Unless we take "developed" to mean they're the ones who produced the Q-given Navy.

In which case, my crews are experienced indeed with three CVNs under their belts.

[K. A. Pital]

Oh, and for all "we launch first HUMAN INTO SPACE!!! NYAH!!!" - for that you'll need test launches: around 7-10.

If you do them unannounced, that means you're a military threat and will be dealt with [CLARIFICATION: yes that is so. If you beam stuff wtihotu declaring it, we can't really determine whether there's your object in orbit: our "tracking equipment" is apparently a little lacking in game, meaning we can't do it period. therefore if you just shoot up stuff into LEO, without saying about it, or that those are spacetestbeds for your Gagarin like program, YOU WILL BE PUNISHED, if not outgame, then ingame, by OMSK. I will see to that]

At least the RT, and Tian Xia announced their launches, as does UKB

So whoever there launched the "first" and "second" humans into space, retcon them into suborbitals, please..

Not that I can order you, but making spaceflight just a matter of fiat without spending time and labour is taking the fun away

EDIT 2: ...or DIE: the JSEZ is still in effect. Yes we allow mannedflight LEO launches, but if you did not announce testbed firings, into LEO, for manned spaceflight purpose, that means WE SHOT DOWN EVERY TEST BED THERE

And we're pretty alert by now

[PeZook]

Probably. But I've never announced it. Unless we take "developed" to mean they're the ones who produced the Q-given Navy.

In which case, my crews are experienced indeed with three CVNs under their belts.

Well, you need to service your ships somewhere, which means that at the very, very least you have one drydock capable of handling CVNs.

More realistically, you have at least the shipyard capacity of Spain. They can make circa 450 thousand GRT, which would translate to well above 500 thousand DWT, depending on what exactly they built..

[K. A. Pital]

I must admit I over-reacted...

And so far unmanned LEO object launches - if done without a fast de-orbit - are very preacrious matter

Next year the NSC will change that, of course

As for the N.S.C., OMSK gives a summary 10 billion to the programme. That should get it going. Simple R-7 family boosters that I built for my earlier tests in those months will be supplied to N.S.C. according to the demand

So far any other nation, UKB or Tian Xia, are also welcome to supply booster rockets to NSC

[RogueIce]

Well, you need to service your ships somewhere, which means that at the very, very least you have one drydock capable of handling CVNs.

More realistically, you have at least the shipyard capacity of Spain. They can make circa 450 thousand GRT, which would translate to well above 500 thousand DWT, depending on what exactly they built..

I have come to the decision that my shipbuilders are quite experienced at building stuff, and there's no need to delay a year on the full FCS order. PeZookia advisors should be enough for this particular job.

All 24 shall be built over FY09.

[RogueIce]

Also on ISCA profits:

Since 10% is added to the cost for pure profit, and that should be divided evenly, correct? So that should be 225 million divded by 7, which nets 32 million and some change per ISCA member. Is my math right, given current orders?

I would propose, if my understanding is correct, that we'd round to the nearest million, and the rest can be placed into the R&D budget. What does everyone else think?