Another female teacher has sex with her student

[CmdrWilkens]

No, No I think you read me wrong, I was agreeing with you, I too was surprised at how many people are joking about her being hot without one word as to how she should be punished. I'm in full agreement with you. It's ok to think she's hot because well she is, but she fucked a 13 year old! That is soooooo wrong. And I do think it will do damage to the boy.

The kids going to have an ego the size of King Kong after this. As for being damaged it's probably going to give him an unrealistic view of woman in general.

For anyone wondering why Statutory Rape exists and why we call her a sexual predator (and despite her looks or perhaps even more so because of them she is one) the bolded part of Cpl Kendall's reply should highlight the problem really specifically.

This kid, and he is a kid, lets not pretend on that one, has now been given physical proof that women irresistably melt before his charm so much so that HE can fuck his married super hot teacher at 13. What would happen (without the counseling I assume he will have) when this kid encounters real women who don't like to prey on little boys but prefer gorwn men who understand that such things as real relationships are founded on more than charm and good looks? This woman had the potential to seriously twist the kids worldview and render him unready for an adult life (the exact opposite of the responsibility of a teacher). Now is this always the result in such cases as these? No, but the fact remains that there is a very real threat to the psyche of the child no matter the gender of the person raping them. That's why this is wrong and why I agree with Knife that she got off light enough to make me question if the judge wasn't doing it so HE could bang her on the side.

[Galvatron]

She preyed on the weak and for that she gets 9 months in jail. The outrage I'm betting you would hear if a good looking male teacher slammed some 13 year old girl and got the same sentence, would be a lot different than what this thread got in the opening posts.

That's probably because it's much easier to imagine the penetratee as a victim, regardless of age. The penetrator, on the other hand...

[McC]

Galvatron nailed it in one.

A 13 year old male having sex with a 28 year old female won't end up pregnant. A 13 year old female having sex with a 28 year old male might. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. Also end of right to bitch about it and decry it as immoral.

Also:

Hotter than the last sicko pedo chick.

pedophilia: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
child: a young person especially between infancy and youth
youth: the period between childhood and maturity

In other words, she's not a pedo. The kid's (and before you go and attack my use of that term, I refer to my roommate and his girlfriend, both older than me, as kids too) pretty obviously pubescent. As in, not a child. As in, not subject to pedophilia.

I point you back to my wolf statement. This is 'unnatural and sick' because we've artificially declared it unnatural and sick. Period. If the kid was 8 or 9, then I'd be on the other side of the argument. If the kid was female (because of the above reasons, and fuck anyone who starts decrying equality or double standards, because guess what: there are biological reasons to have them), I'd be on the other side of the argument. But the kid's a teen, and the kid's male.

You want to talk about her being morally wrong? Let's talk about her fucking cheating on her husband, in particular with a 13-year old. That's not only the most egregious relationship crime anyone can commit, it's also extra-insulting because the kid was way younger than the husband. That is what she deserves jail time for.

[Knife]

That's probably because it's much easier to imagine the penetratee as a victim, regardless of age. The penetrator, on the other hand...

Rape is more about power or lack there of. She held all the cards.

[Noble Ire]

You want to talk about her being morally wrong? Let's talk about her fucking cheating on her husband, in particular with a 13-year old. That's not only the most egregious relationship crime anyone can commit, it's also extra-insulting because the kid was way younger than the husband. That is what she deserves jail time for.

Wait, she deserves to go to jail for cheating on her husband, and not the other part of it? Simply because its insulting to him?

[Knife]

Galvatron nailed it in one.

A 13 year old male having sex with a 28 year old female won't end up pregnant. A 13 year old female having sex with a 28 year old male might. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. Also end of right to bitch about it and decry it as immoral.

Also:

So rape, in your opinion, can only happen if the girl gets pregnate? Interesting. So if a guy forces sex with a steril woman, it's not rape? Your standard of rape is seriously flawed.

pedophilia: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
child: a young person especially between infancy and youth
youth: the period between childhood and maturity

In other words, she's not a pedo. The kid's (and before you go and attack my use of that term, I refer to my roommate and his girlfriend, both older than me, as kids too) pretty obviously pubescent. As in, not a child. As in, not subject to pedophilia.

Then justify why the law is usually set some where around 14-16, not to mention why society sets the age of adulthood at 18. If you are attempting to say that the kid is mature enough to enter society as a full fledge adult to make these sort of decisions about his life at age 13, I'm going to need more than your roomates opinions about it.

I point you back to my wolf statement. This is 'unnatural and sick' because we've artificially declared it unnatural and sick. Period. If the kid was 8 or 9, then I'd be on the other side of the argument. If the kid was female (because of the above reasons, and fuck anyone who starts decrying equality or double standards, because guess what: there are biological reasons to have them), I'd be on the other side of the argument. But the kid's a teen, and the kid's male.

We've declared it unnatual and sick because the 13 year old, whether male or female, isn't capable of making those types of decisions on a constant basis. We as a society realize that declaring a 13 year old an adult is too early and thus he/she isn't and preying on them is wrong.

Hell, even if he was 18, it would still be wrong *though not as much* since the woman occupied a position of power over him and used it to get sex out of him. We call that sexual harassment.

You want to talk about her being morally wrong? Let's talk about her fucking cheating on her husband, in particular with a 13-year old. That's not only the most egregious relationship crime anyone can commit, it's also extra-insulting because the kid was way younger than the husband. That is what she deserves jail time for.

Cheating on her husband is wrong, but not illegal. Fucking a 13 year old kid is illegal and she got 9 fucking months for it. Pathetic.

[Aaron]

*snip*

Adultery isn't a criminal offense. Stautory rape is and that's what she's being charged with.

[McC]

Wait, she deserves to go to jail for cheating on her husband, and not the other part of it? Simply because its insulting to him?

No, that was an addendum to the crime. It doesn't affect the crime itself.

So rape, in your opinion, can only happen if the girl gets pregnate? Interesting. So if a guy forces sex with a steril woman, it's not rape? Your standard of rape is seriously flawed.

Rape can only happen if the victim is unwilling (and also, where did I talk about rape? I said the potential consequences of sex are severely different for males and females). This isn't legitimate rape (I take issue with the very concept of statutory rape due to its dependence on a 'convenient' but inaccurate meter like age rather than some actual measure of maturity). The kid consented -- fuck, the kid initiated the whole thing with the damn text message. As far as I'm concerned, rape is only and can only ever be an unwilling sexual violation. There's nothing to indicate that the kid was remotely unwilling.

We've declared it unnatual and sick because the 13 year old, whether male or female, isn't capable of making those types of decisions on a constant basis. We as a society realize that declaring a 13 year old an adult is too early and thus he/she isn't and preying on them is wrong.

As an average. We've also declared that driving before 16 is illegal because anyone under that age doesn't have the mental acumen to perform as a responsible driver.

Except, of course, for all the kids that do. Age laws are a blanket that cripple as well as protect.

Hell, even if he was 18, it would still be wrong *though not as much* since the woman occupied a position of power over him and used it to get sex out of him. We call that sexual harassment.

I didn't see that she threatened his grades if he didn't perform, did you? If I start dating my boss (not withstanding that I'm in a happy relationship and she's married), and then decide to call it off, exactly where in there do I have the right to call that sexual harassment unless she threatens to dock my pay? I don't.

Cheating on her husband is wrong, but not illegal. Fucking a 13 year old kid is illegal and she got 9 fucking months for it. Pathetic.

And...what? It's also illegal to drive above the speed limit, yet the majority of highway drivers routinely travel 10 mph or more above it without harassment from police. Legality and morality are not the same thing.

Adultery isn't a criminal offense. Stautory rape is and that's what she's being charged with.

Yes, I'm aware of that. You can cite her charges and whether or not she broke the law to me all day long, and it won't make a lick of difference in the morality of the situation, which is specifically what I was responding to.

[Galvatron]

McC, it appears that she sent the first IM...

What apparently started as a simple text message from Turner to the 13-year-old saying "I think you're cute," ignited an illicit three-month affair...

Then again, what's so out of line about an older woman merely telling a 13-year old boy that he's cute?

[McC]

McC, it appears that she sent the first IM...

What apparently started as a simple text message from Turner to the 13-year-old saying "I think you're cute," ignited an illicit three-month affair...

Aha, I misread that part. Doesn't radically alter my argument, though.

Then again, what's so out of line about an older woman merely telling a 13-year old boy that he's cute?

Precisely.

[Alyeska]

She's hot, and she's a fucking pedophile.

I can't believe she got off with a 8 month sentence. She's a sexual predator. Shouldn't she be in prison for YEARS!?!

[Aaron]

Yes, I'm aware of that. You can cite her charges and whether or not she broke the law to me all day long, and it won't make a lick of difference in the morality of the situation, which is specifically what I was responding to.

Well if you want to examine this case from a purely moral standpoint than the teacher was clearly invovled in immoral behavior. She iniated the affair with the text message and she was fucking him behind her husbands back, both cases of what society would consider immoral behavior. She also abused her position of authority by screwing a student, regardless of how mature the kid is, society has deemed that 13 years old is not old enough to make decisions of this magnitude.

[McC]

Well if you want to examine this case from a purely moral standpoint than the teacher was clearly invovled in immoral behavior. She iniated the affair with the text message and she was fucking him behind her husbands back, both cases of what society would consider immoral behavior.

Agreed, and that's precisely what I was saying with my 'she should be locked up for adultery' bit when I first posted. That's the actual crime (not in a legal sense) here.

She also abused her position of authority by screwing a student, regardless of how mature the kid is, society has deemed that 13 years old is not old enough to make decisions of this magnitude.

On this I don't really agree. Take it out of the context of a secondary school and move it to a college. Professors having sex with their students (and in this case, consenting age is not an issue, either) is also frowned upon, and I think that's ridiculous too. If and only if the relationship affects the performance, either positively or negatively, of the student should it matter. Otherwise, I don't think it should.

[Aaron]

On this I don't really agree. Take it out of the context of a secondary school and move it to a college. Professors having sex with their students (and in this case, consenting age is not an issue, either) is also frowned upon, and I think that's ridiculous too. If and only if the relationship affects the performance, either positively or negatively, of the student should it matter. Otherwise, I don't think it should.

The problem with the college example is that one of the parties is likely going to become emotionly attached eventually and cause a conflict of interest at some point. How long could this particular relationship have continued before the kid started to demand better grades from her?

[Gil Hamilton]

My thought is that these cases only seem to make news when it is a female teacher fucking their students. It's probably a "Man Bites Dog" thing. Even though 28 on 13 is really gross and six, I'm wondering how this is actually national worthy news. If they reported every time a male teacher was caught screwing from a girl in high school, we'd have a News Network dedicated to it by necessity.

[McC]

The problem with the college example is that one of the parties is likely going to become emotionly attached eventually and cause a conflict of interest at some point. How long could this particular relationship have continued before the kid started to demand better grades from her?

Precisely. If you want to make it a policy to ban such relationships for that reason, I can't reasonably dispute the idea. However, if this had been a hot, single 28-year old non-teacher and a 13-year old student, I think all grounds to call her act immoral go right out the window. The potential conflict of interest and, far more importantly, her adultery are what condemn her, in my eye. Not her choice of sex partner.

[Mrs Kendall]

McC The law is the law for a reason, whether you agree with it or not is a mute point, she did omething she knew was wrong and she should be in jail for it. End of story.

[McC]

McC The law is the law for a reason, whether you agree with it or not is a mute point, she did omething she knew was wrong and she should be in jail for it. End of story.

Don't be obtuse. The law is the law because some people decided to make it that way and in cases of the discussion of being 'sick' or being 'moral' or what have you, the legality of the situation is not the issue being addressed.

We agree that she did something wrong. What we disagree on is exactly what that is. The act being illegal or not doesn't make it right or wrong.

[Aaron]

Don't be obtuse. The law is the law because some people decided to make it that way and in cases of the discussion of being 'sick' or being 'moral' or what have you, the legality of the situation is not the issue being addressed.

Wait a second, you actually think it's ok for a 13 year old to fuck a 28 year old?

We agree that she did something wrong. What we disagree on is exactly what that is. The act being illegal or not doesn't make it right or wrong.

In this case the immorality and the legaality match up quite nicely. The law states that minors are incapable of making these choices themselves. That lines up quite nicely with the morality of the teacher abusing her authority in this case.

[Edi]

She preyed on the weak and for that she gets 9 months in jail. The outrage I'm betting you would hear if a good looking male teacher slammed some 13 year old girl and got the same sentence, would be a lot different than what this thread got in the opening posts.

That's probably because it's much easier to imagine the penetratee as a victim, regardless of age. The penetrator, on the other hand...

Precisely.

Knife, don't think that I approve of the what the woman did or defend her actions, but it is a fact of life that on average boys are ready for sex earlier than girls are, for a variety of reasons. Or more precisely, ready to fuck, as sex is about more than just sticking it in her and pounding away. It has to do with the psychological makeup of adolescent boys, they are constantly horny, constantly thinking about girls and sex, and in addition they are not the ones who are having the sexual organ of a member of the opposite sex being stuck inside them (like girls are) during intercourse. First time sex is also generally very much less painful for a boy than a girl for the same reasons (the physical differences).

This means that an adult woman screwing an adolescent boy is less wrong than an adult male screwing an adolescent girl or an adult male screwing an adolescent boy. The ethical argument simply is not equally strong, even though the law treats them all as equal.

The biggest issue here is the abuse of a position of power and trust and the statutory rape laws being what they are, but I do not find anything wrong with the punishment that was meted out. Especially given what I said above and the fact that the boy and his family interceded on her behalf. Judges generally have some latitude in sentencing, and the facts and particulars of this case do not warrant a maximum sentence. Further, it was a plea bargain, where there is generally more latitude than in a straight up trial, and it's also better for the prosecution to not have to suffer through the embarrassment of having the "victim" and his family do their damnedest to sink his case. They could and would also trot out some psychologists and psychiatrists and probably also people who have worked with abuse victims who would more or less confirm basically everything I've said in this post. The outcome would be much worse, from everybody's point of view, and might even give more ammunition for actual pedophilia apologists.

From the legal standpoint, this case might seem like double standards, but from a factual point of view it is not.

Edi

[Lord Revan]

While 13 year old may have physical maturity, he or she doesn't in almost every case have emotinal maturity to proper sexual relationship.

[Edi]

While 13 year old may have physical maturity, he or she doesn't in almost every case have emotinal maturity to proper sexual relationship.

True, but for adlescent boys, physical maturity and the desire to do it are the only requirements that matter when they do get an opportunity. From their own point of view, that is. That's what makes for such a heated debate in this case.

Edi

[Aaron]

True, but for adlescent boys, physical maturity and the desire to do it are the only requirements that matter when they do get an opportunity. From their own point of view, that is. That's what makes for such a heated debate in this case.

Edi

Personally I suspect that this episode will affect his relationship skills for a long time in the future. As this woman just fell into his lap, he may expect others to as well.

[Mrs Kendall]

McC The law is the law for a reason, whether you agree with it or not is a mute point, she did omething she knew was wrong and she should be in jail for it. End of story.

Don't be obtuse. The law is the law because some people decided to make it that way and in cases of the discussion of being 'sick' or being 'moral' or what have you, the legality of the situation is not the issue being addressed.

We agree that she did something wrong. What we disagree on is exactly what that is. The act being illegal or not doesn't make it right or wrong.

Hey asshole, don't call me stupid because I disagree with you.

[Lord Revan]

While 13 year old may have physical maturity, he or she doesn't in almost every case have emotinal maturity to proper sexual relationship.

True, but for adlescent boys, physical maturity and the desire to do it are the only requirements that matter when they do get an opportunity. From their own point of view, that is. That's what makes for such a heated debate in this case.

Edi

I know that, I'm just pointing what makes it wrong (even for boys).