Regarding the Cleavage Thread and AYVB.

[Ghost Rider]

If I had known when I first signed up that I was going to catalyst this much arguments and issues I wouldnt have.. Sheeze.

It's not your action. It's the reaction everyone is ticked off by.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

If I had known when I first signed up that I was going to catalyst this much arguments and issues I wouldnt have.. Sheeze.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything you did. This has everything to do with a few excessively hormone-charged PMs sent by Someone Else to Someone Else. I would feel greatly saddened if you decide to leave.

[Rye]

If I had known when I first signed up that I was going to catalyst this much arguments and issues I wouldnt have.. Sheeze.

Don't worry about it, it'll pass. Just ignore the threads that are bollocks, that's what I tend to do, though obviously I violated my own MO by posting in this one.

[Batman]

Either you're a retard or you must be aware that someone with your posting history walks over a very thin line in this board.

Olrik I didn't even know there have been complaints. Nobody ever told me.
May I ask who complained so I can make my apologies (Zaia's a given, of course)?
If a ban is in order, then by all means ban me.

[Shinova]

You weren't the catalyst. A few guys who couldn't get their dick under control were the catalyst.


And this is a little dust in the breeze. It tides down soon enough.



EDIT: Wow, you people type fast.... @___@

[Colonel Olrik]

May I ask who complained so I can make my apologies (Zaia's a given, of course)?

No you can't. You can start behaving like a man in his mid thirties and stop swooning over anything resembling a woman in a web board designed for scifi discussion with a population half composed of teens. That would please everybody.

If a ban is in order, then by all means ban me.

Stop playing the victim, for Christ's sake. If we decided to ban you we definitely wouldn't need your opinion about it.

[Stofsk]

May I ask who complained so I can make my apologies (Zaia's a given, of course)?

Why should their identities concern you? Simply apologise and be done with it. If they wish to make themselves known, then obviously they'd have done so already.

If a ban is in order, then by all means ban me.

Drama seems to have gone into melodrama now...

If you truly felt like you've done the board a disservice with your actions, then voluntarily exile yourself from the board, DON'T WAIT TO BE BANNED. Go on sabbatical. Take a break, take up a hobby, what the fuck ever. But don't give us this 'if what I did was bannable, then please ban me' bullshit, because that kind of attitude can easily be realised, and it smacks of self-effacing self-deprecating "Woe is me!" bullshit at the same time.

Look. Just say 'sorry, I'll cut it out in future' and be done with it. No one said anything about bans.

[SyntaxVorlon]

This is just sad. I mean, this place is about social liberalism AND personal respect. AYVB wankers.

[Vertigo1]

If I had known when I first signed up that I was going to catalyst this much arguments and issues I wouldnt have.. Sheeze.

Oh just ignore the douchebags that think with their penises rather than their brain. Its just the bloodloss factor. I have little doubt that they'll get what's coming to them. Now please, stay and enjoy our hospitality. The drinks are in the fridge, and the nuts are all over the place.

[Batman]

May I ask who complained so I can make my apologies (Zaia's a given, of course)?

Why should their identities concern you? Simply apologise and be done with it.[/i].

How can I apologize if I do not know whom to apologize to?

If you truly felt like you've done the board a disservice with your actions, then voluntarily exile yourself from the board, DON'T WAIT TO BE BANNED.

And that is where we disagree. I do NOT feel like I've done the board a disservice. I'm not prepared to claim that I haven't done so but nobody's willing to tell me how I did it.

Look. Just say 'sorry, I'll cut it out in future' and be done with it. No one said anything about bans.

How can I say I'm sorry when I have no idea what it is that I'm supposed to be sorry for?

[Durandal]

I'm not so much angry as I'm sad. We finally have ladies who, if only on account of not knowing the atrocities that has lead to in the past, are once more corageous enough to post pictures like that, and yet again they are punished for something others did. It's their thread that gets closed despite them doing no wrong. They get told to be less teasy despite other's reactions being the problem.
I don't fault the staff, sometimes damage control is the best you can do, but it shouldn't be that way.
This is sd.net. We ought to be be better than this.
And I would like to second his BlackMageness thanks with all my heart. That was a beautiful thread while it lasted.

You can stop kissing ass any time now. Your head isn't on the chopping block. Anything you say can and will be used against you, so I advise shutting your mouth.

[Durandal]

How can I apologize if I do not know whom to apologize to?

If your victims wish to reveal their identities, then I'm sure they'll come forward. Until that happens, you'll just have to live with your guilty conscience. What a terrible fate for a pervert.

[Batman]

You can stop kissing ass any time now. Your head isn't on the chopping block. Anything you say can and will be used against you, so I advise shutting your mouth.

The idea that I actually meant that has clearly never crossed your mind.

[Mrs Kendall]

Granted, he is, although IIRC Cpl Kendall referenced PMs in the plural and there may have been others, and there are a significant number of members here who are not of legal drinking age.

This however is no excuse for unacceptable conduct towards other members.

Actually he did say pm's but there was only the one request. I think he was just trying to make it known that anymore would be looked down upon. Cpl Kendall did say it would be alright if I still wanted to post more but that he didn't think it would be a good idea since people were showing that they were upset. When I sat back and thought about it I realised yeah I am uncomfortable with this and decided not to. My head was so big from all the compliments I'm surprised I fit out the door.

[Batman]

How can I apologize if I do not know whom to apologize to?

If your victims wish to reveal their identities, then I'm sure they'll come forward. Until that happens, you'll just have to live with your guilty conscience. What a terrible fate for a pervert.

Goddamit what am I supposed to do? I swear I didn't know there were complaints. This is sd.net. If someone doesn't like the way I act I expect him to tell me 'Stop it or else'.
And where does the 'pervert' part come from?

[Durandal]

How can I apologize if I do not know whom to apologize to?

If your victims wish to reveal their identities, then I'm sure they'll come forward. Until that happens, you'll just have to live with your guilty conscience. What a terrible fate for a pervert.

Goddamit what am I supposed to do? I swear I didn't know there were complaints. This is sd.net. If someone doesn't like the way I act I expect him to tell me 'Stop it or else'.
And where does the 'pervert' part come from?

No one asked you to apologize. We're just bringing up your history of being a creepy bastard in general.

[Batman]

No one asked you to apologize. We're just bringing up your history of being a creepy bastard in general.

Has it ever occured to you that I might stop being a creepy bastard if you told me that that's what I'm doing?

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

No one asked you to apologize. We're just bringing up your history of being a creepy bastard in general.

Has it ever occured to you that I might stop being a creepy bastard if you told me that that's what I'm doing?

Answered on page two of this thread:

Is there something you wish to tell me? I do happen to think the ones that ought to suffer from this are the AYVB as opposed to Mouseychan, the Mrs et al.
I also happen to think that, given the history of this place, the staff had little choice but to lock that thread.
And I'll admit up front that I have no idea what drolling means.

It means drooling if you're not a worthless nitpicker (oops you are). And it means that everytime a woman posts I can be sure there's a post of yours afterwards. And if the post contains a photo showing some flesh, I just know there'll be ten posts of yours, proclaiming her virtues, welcoming her to the club, yadda yadda yadda.

Hint: this isn't the best way of finally getting a girlfriend.

And later:

May I ask who complained so I can make my apologies (Zaia's a given, of course)?

No you can't. You can start behaving like a man in his mid thirties and stop swooning over anything resembling a woman in a web board designed for scifi discussion with a population half composed of teens. That would please everybody.

If a ban is in order, then by all means ban me.

Stop playing the victim, for Christ's sake. If we decided to ban you we definitely wouldn't need your opinion about it.

[haas mark]

I personnaly am not so angry at anyone for enjoying the thread, even a bit to far. Im more angry at the demand that I stop being a tease

Stop being a tease means to stop ... being a tease.

and to not post any pictures anymore.

Nothing was said about posting or not posting pictures, and if it was taken that way, I'm sorry. Almsot all of my posts are meant to be taken for what is said. ALL of them when it comes to modly type stuff.

I posted them because a: It made me feel good about myself, which is something I Rarely feel. Ask Setesh if you want proof.

Precisely why I don't post pictures of myself, but if you want to fel good about yourself, riling up a bunch of drooling fucktards isn't a good way to boost your self-esteem.

and B: because I enjoy bringing a little happiness to others.

Happiness it is not. They're called the Angry Young Virgin Brigade for a reason. Personally, I think it should be the Stupid Young Virgin Brigade, because they don't have a fucking clue.

[Darth Wong]

Is there something you wish to tell me? I do happen to think the ones that ought to suffer from this are the AYVB as opposed to Mouseychan, the Mrs et al.
I also happen to think that, given the history of this place, the staff had little choice but to lock that thread.
And I'll admit up front that I have no idea what drolling means.

It means drooling if you're not an worthless nitpicker (oops you are). And it means that everytime a woman posts I can be sure there's a post of yours afterwards. And if the post contains a photo showing some flesh, I just know there'll be ten posts of yours, proclaiming her virtues, welcoming her to the club, yadda yadda yadda.

Hint: this isn't the best way of finally getting a girlfriend.

You're more right than you could know...

Christ I'm fucking sick and tired of people acting and treating this board as though it's some freakin' social club for chess players. It's not. It's a goddamn discussion forum, and while socialising is well and good, the drama that goes along with it isn't.

Finally, someone who points out the truth. This board was originally created for intelligent discussion. If people happen to meet and make friends here that's great, but it's not meant to be a singles bar.

PS. We try to walk a fine line between being overly restrictive and letting things get out of hand. The problem is that when we loosen our restrictions, someone will eventually abuse them. So we tighten them again, people complain that we're being too restrictive, and the cycle begins anew. If that's the way it's always going to be, I suppose I can live with that, but everyone's going to have to get used to these cycles.

[Avalon616]

Slightly off-topic from the debate with Batman that's going on, I'd just like to express my regret for the locking of that thread. I've been slightly MIA lately, life has been busy, so I hadn't really posted much in it.

I didn't feel harassed or overly complimented from anything said in that thread. But I understand how the possibility of that can come up. And it's possible that I'm overly desensitized- in middle school and high school having a D cup when most girls are A's and B's has earned my boobs lots of attention. So much so that it's completely irrelevent- I've been seen topless by, been groped by, and flashed prolly as many people who frequent this board (exaggeration, but you get my point). I can be rather exhibitionistic, and am pretty damn comfortable with my own body. However, this doesn't mean I'm ignorant of douchecunts who don't know anything more than drooling over "chicks with big titties" and have no appreciating of the human form and have no aesthetics- there's a big difference between appreciating the female form and obsessing over a woman's attributes.

I'm sad that what could have been a thread for appreciating the female form was downgraded to something else. But *maybe* something can be learned from this? It seems the people who might have offended were ignorant of the fact or just retarded (either way, no excuse), but in the future, perhaps another thread of this type could be salvaged? I say less rage on all accounts here, and everyone try to act like mature adults. Except for me, I'm gonna keep acting like the 20-something nympho-perv I am.

[Chardok]

The reason for the uproar, Avalon, is that this is not the first time this has happened. And not all females are as comfortable showing off their goods as you may or may not be. The fact of the matter is, EVERYONE was warned, and some people STILL were fucking idiots, treating the thread like a leg-humping Chihuahua, instead of treating it with kid gloves, as it should have been, given what has transpired in the past.

When dealing with situations like that thread, you MUST cater to the lowest common denominator (???). I may have misused that expression, but what I mean is that you MUST assume that EVERYONE is very sensitive about the situation, and while compliments, etc. are acceptable, beyond that, FUCKING STOP.

To riterate, this is NOT the first time this goddamned shit has happened, and the guys on the board who appreciate and admire the female form without drooling over it like a starving crazed weasel are sick and fucking tried of our enjoyment being shot to shit, AND making our female members feel uncomfortable.

[SirNitram]

I didn't feel harassed or overly complimented from anything said in that thread.

Ultimately, it was not what happened in the thread that roused my anger and got my fellow moderators motivated, but what went on outside it. I am sorry it got cut short. But I made my position clear: As much as I liked the thread, I wouldn't let something in my name be turned into a source of discomfort for even one of the ladies. I have my standards, and damned if I'll let those who can't conduct themselves as gentlemen drag them down.

[Broomstick]

If I had known when I first signed up that I was going to catalyst this much arguments and issues I wouldnt have.. Sheeze.

Don't take on more than you're actually responsible for.

The fact they have the term "AYVB" is yet another indication that when the hormones turn on young male humans think with their dicks instead of their brains for awhile. What you're seeing, in part, are the mature stallions trying to kick some sense into the stupid young bucks.

To any AYVB members who haven't had their fill of titties - you are welcome to enter the biker bar next door to my home. The women are more than willing to whip off their tops for your pleasure, and they seldom check ID's for age (or anything else). If, however, you continue to have any illusions you are in control please leave them at the door - I've seen more than one man (not always young, not always virgin) fleeing out the door with only half his clothes on and trying to zip his fly while staying ahead of the harpies.

In general, women self-confident enough to show off their tits are self-respecting enough not to make "special poses" for callow young wankers barely old enough to get a decent hard-on, much less please a woman. And any man (such as Corporal Kendall) lucky enough to win the heart of a self-confident and beautiful woman (such as Mrs. Kendall) is going to be more than willing to step in and defend her from the least hint of threat - whether she's aware of it or not.

Young toughs are always convinced they can handle anything - but if that were true, why is it that old men rule the world?

And to all the true gentlemen on this board (and there are quite a few of you) - thank you for your genuine affection for the female form, your care and concern for the women here, and your efforts on their behalf.

[Broomstick]

As a thought: If, in the future, there is a desire for pictures that >ahem< highlight the female form and its attributes perhaps it would be best to locate it in a closed, member-only forum? Then, those who wish to participate or view and are mature enough to behave can be admitted and those who have demonstrated asshole tendencies can simply not be invited?

Then again, I wouldn't mine seeing some handsome young men in their glory, either.*

* Note to AYVB and other wankers: no, that does NOT mean I want male nudes. There's more to the male form than just genitals, and trust me, the odds are you are far more pleased with the appearance of yours than almost any woman would be. There's more to it than washboard abs, hormone induced muscle overgrowth, or other media-hyped exaggerations of humanity. It means that I appreciate the male form as a whole as well as a collection of its parts.