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I am normally a pacifistic person.

But now is the time for a Redneck Excursion Force, loaded up with Forties and Shotguns.

Something must be done with those Goddamn parents, too.

Problem is that the laws of the United Stets alow something as cruel as this. It is wrong but there would appear to be no legal solution to this. I know that if I had kids, I would never send them there. Many of the things that sent kids there seem to be stuff that every kid does and the reasoning that they like another parent better is disgusting as well. I was in the navy and Navy bootcamp was nowhere near as bad as this.

I would like to hear from any who are parents here on this subject.

The laws of the United States *don't* allow places like this - that's why they have to exist overseas.

The State Department's fact sheet about behavior modification centers. Please note that the State Department points out that minors over the age of 14 under some circumstances (and I'm CERTAIN that these places fall under those circumstances) have the right to request repatriation without parental consent.

Only I'm sure that the centers don't tell the State Department who's at them, and definitely don't tell the kids that they have the right to leave the country if they're being abused (which they are).

The existence of these centers is a blight on humanity, and evidence that some people do not deserve the privilege of having children.

SirNitram wrote:I am normally a pacifistic person.

But now is the time for a Redneck Excursion Force, loaded up with Forties and Shotguns.

Don't forget to swing by Shep's place and/or mine and load up on a TON of Ma Deuces/MG42s/etc and/or Railguns/Q-Spoiling Hard Ray Lasers/BFGs/etc before the Rednex go.

Kitsune wrote:Problem is that the laws of the United Stets alow something as cruel as this. It is wrong but there would appear to be no legal solution to this. I know that if I had kids, I would never send them there. Many of the things that sent kids there seem to be stuff that every kid does and the reasoning that they like another parent better is disgusting as well. I was in the navy and Navy bootcamp was nowhere near as bad as this.

I would like to hear from any who are parents here on this subject.

I am not a parent, but I have some pretty good ideas on how to raise kids. Most importantly, be firm and don't lose your cool. For example, if you are shopping and your kid says that he or she demands something, just simply say no. If the kid continues, tell him or her that you will leave the store with the child and he or she will be sent to his or her room. If they do indeed continue, do just what you said you would do. Don't even bother checking out; just leave the items you may have purchased on the nearest shelf and return to your home. I believe that taking these types of steps with your children while they are young will help ensure their healthy maturity, and they probably will not hate you later on for it.

I highly doubt that, even if one of the kid's knew he could request repatriation, he would be allowed to do so by the camp's staff.

This turned into a several-page thread at Something Awful, and apparently parents can legally have their kids sent to these schools without their permission. There are people you can hire to come in the middle of the night and "escort" your kid to the airport.

The scary thing is that there is no prerequisite requirement for sending your kid to one of these. Little Johnny said a swear he picked up at school? Send him away. Little Maryanne has a boyfriend Dad doesn't like? Off to Tranquility Bay.

These are self-described "behavior modification centers", and they do it by breaking the kids down. I've never been truly broken, but the thought of it alone scares the shit out of me. You can't resist at places like these; they've got big burly men there who will "restrain" you (quite forcefully) and the oppressive rules have created a mini-society in which others are more than willing to report on you if it means more points for them. In short, everyone is against you, oftentimes even your own parents because anything you say to them that's remotely negative about the place is denied by the facility as "manipulation" and lies. "Well, they said the kids would tell me it was a shithole, and the kid told me it was a shithole! Guess those boys must know what they're doing."

And, of course, said facilities are looking to expand their business to such nations as Britain.

Taking them there may be legal, but what is done there is not. There is a tremendous precident for prosecution of child abusers. These parents are granting the camp the right to parent their children, and they are also granting the legal responsibility to protect the children from harm. The camp is most certainly abusing the children mentally if not physically.

Uraniun235 wrote:This turned into a several-page thread at Something Awful, and apparently parents can legally have their kids sent to these schools without their permission. There are people you can hire to come in the middle of the night and "escort" your kid to the airport.

And given a good enough lawyer, you can prove what it really is: Conspiracy to kidnap, kidnapping, interstate (hell, international) kidnapping, the last of which is a Federal felony. Kiss your lives good-bye, idiot parents. You are going to fucking jail, where you're going to be on the bottom of the ladder with all the other child abusers. The problem is getting a good enough lawyer.

The scary thing is that there is no prerequisite requirement for sending your kid to one of these. Little Johnny said a swear he picked up at school? Send him away. Little Maryanne has a boyfriend Dad doesn't like? Off to Tranquility Bay.

Apparently one guy's dad sent him off because he didn't like his dad's girlfriend. That's beyond sick.

Iceberg wrote: And given a good enough lawyer, you can prove what it really is: Conspiracy to kidnap, kidnapping, interstate (hell, international) kidnapping, the last of which is a Federal felony. Kiss your lives good-bye, idiot parents. You are going to fucking jail, where you're going to be on the bottom of the ladder with all the other child abusers. The problem is getting a good enough lawyer.

ACLU would bite on this one, definately.

This turned into a several-page thread at Something Awful

Linky?

As for what to do whith the SOB who runs this place, Eunuch.org has a few good possibilities.

Tosho wrote:As for what to do whith the SOB who runs this place, Eunuch.org has a few good possibilities.

I think cutting off his penis and then forcing him to watch as you feed it to ducks would be a good punishment.

This strikes me as the kind of brainwashing that would backfire. You imagine some 15-year-old boy who, on a particularly hormonal day, told his dad to 'Fuck off'. Kid is kidnapped a week later and spends 3 years in Tranquility Bay. Kid comes back, is all lovey-dovey with Dad, and shows his love a few weeks later by embedding a splitting maul right between dear ol' dad's eyes. "Oh, yes, I love my father, but he rolled his eyes at me when I said I'd make him some boiled cabbage."


Check out this page, too.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/aiobheil/236725.html

The fact that places like that exist is almost as disturbing as parents willing to send their kids there. Even if the place was passed off as being better than it actually was at the main site, you really don't have an excuse for having a child kidnapped against their will, sent to another country, and cut off from communication with their parents for months at a time.

Iceberg wrote:

Tosho wrote:As for what to do whith the SOB who runs this place, Eunuch.org has a few good possibilities.

I think cutting off his penis and then forcing him to watch as you feed it to ducks would be a good punishment.

It gets better when you relize that by letting keep his nads he'll still get horny but won't be able to do a damn thing about it.

Urge to Kill...Rising...

I would like to hear the opinion of someone who does have kids, like Stravo, or Darth Wong....

I will say $40,000 is a good middle income in the US. I suspect they make a very good profit at this business. Also, being that I believe the hedquarters are located in Utah, it makes for other possibilities as well.

Iceberg wrote:

Uraniun235 wrote:This turned into a several-page thread at Something Awful, and apparently parents can legally have their kids sent to these schools without their permission. There are people you can hire to come in the middle of the night and "escort" your kid to the airport.

And given a good enough lawyer, you can prove what it really is: Conspiracy to kidnap, kidnapping, interstate (hell, international) kidnapping, the last of which is a Federal felony. Kiss your lives good-bye, idiot parents. You are going to fucking jail, where you're going to be on the bottom of the ladder with all the other child abusers. The problem is getting a good enough lawyer.

The scary thing is that there is no prerequisite requirement for sending your kid to one of these. Little Johnny said a swear he picked up at school? Send him away. Little Maryanne has a boyfriend Dad doesn't like? Off to Tranquility Bay.

Apparently one guy's dad sent him off because he didn't like his dad's girlfriend. That's beyond sick.

1. It's the parents sending them away; how is this kidnapping? Keep in mind they sign away to these centers something like 49% custody, and keep in mind minors have next to shit for actual rights.

2. These centers have popped up in the news a couple of times in the past. They're NOTHING new at all. Why has the ACLU not yet stepped up to the plate? Maybe it's not legally attackable.

Taking them there may be legal, but what is done there is not.

Foreign soil, dude. You're talking Jamaican (or whatever nation other camps are in) jurisdiction, and they've been rather slow to do anything about this. I suspect that as long as the facility contributes to the local economy, they'll continue to turn a blind eye as long as there aren't any fatalities.

Hell, there could be outright bribery going on.

Points and privileges are awarded to students who tell on each other. If you don't tell on someone for breaking a rule and get found out, you lose points. 'There is zero trust,' Scott explains. 'You can't trust anyone. It's not us against them. It's everyone against you.' Scott remembers a new boy being caught with incriminating used tissues; masturbation is strictly forbidden. 'And they got him up in front of everyone right after dinner, and the upper-level kids just ripped into him, this little 13-year-old kid. It was kind of the entertainment for the night. That's what I mean about breaking kids.'
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2 b-52s
1 load bombs filled w/ sleeping gas
1 retrival team for the children
1 tactical nuclear warhead
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You know since this place is beyond any US or Can law I don't see anything worng with going down there and executing the staff at this hellhole.
Do any of you see a problem with that idea?
I mean it realy I do.

LT.Hit-Man wrote:You know since this place is beyond any US or Can law I don't see anything worng with going down there and executing the staff at this hellhole.
Do any of you see a problem with that idea?
I mean it realy I do.

Well, Jamaican law would still have you guilty of murder.

Bringing the kids back, however, with forceful measures? Nothing wrong with that.

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