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Perhaps you should suggest another name for aaron2. Instead of Village Idiot he could be the Village Idiot's Sidekick.Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I elect that both Commander LeoRo and Aaron2 be our latest entrees to the title of Village Idiot.
They deserve it. Not because they don't agree with us, but because they are stupid.
And because Aaron2 is nothing more than a toadie (and I hate toadies.)
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something along the lines of cowpie-on-your-boot.[/quote]Perhaps you should suggest another name for aaron2. Instead of Village Idiot he could be the Village Idiot's Sidekick.
Shouldn't the watch officer have given the order to disable it in the first place?Nug at the helm: "That is a strange ship and it isn't responding to our hails. Sir, as per SOP, we have engaged the ship and disabled it. Orders?"
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One thing I've always liked about the Cardassian (and Ferengi) ships is that they have no exposed nacelles, thus making it more difficult to disable their engines.seanrobertson wrote:Gentleman, please...
To continue with the warship construction analysis:
Cardassians (I'm avoiding the Romulans for the time being
Observations: Very sturdy hulls relative to Klingon/Federation designs.
Even with shields down, Gul Dukat's Prakesh took a relentless
pounding from several Birds of Prey in "Way of the Warrior," yet managed to stay intact. Visible hull damage was far in excess of what E-D took
in "Generations" (note the very first FX shot of a Bird firing on Prakesh).
Shields on at least some Galors seems limited. In "The Wounded,"
the Enterprise was able to swiftly whip Gul Macet's ship, as the
Phoenix was similarly able to spank another Cardie warship in
short order, presumably with photon torpedos.
Also, the two GCSs in "Sacrifice of Angels" seemed to penetrate
a Galor's shields almost instantly with several sub-maximal
phaser shots.
Conclusion: Cardassians favor robust hulls over shield protection,
much like their Jem'Hadar allies. This may represent a power issue
or simply one of technological limits, perhaps due to simple design "evolution." Given the Cardassians' smaller sphere of
influence and the strength of immediately neighboring powers--Ferengi, who operate powerful ships that are very few in no., and the Breen, who essentially put out flying guns with next to no regard for protecting the crews
thereof--it could make sense to operate ships that sacrifice shield
energy for a big punch.
More later.
But I do believe that cardasian and Ferengi ships are on average slower than Federation ships and can't sustain the high warp speeds that Fed ships have so maybe the balance of the Fed design philosophy is that you expose your engines but you get a slight speed improvement over your enemy?Antediluvian wrote:One thing I've always liked about the Cardassian (and Ferengi) ships is that they have no exposed nacelles, thus making it more difficult to disable their engines.seanrobertson wrote:Gentleman, please...
To continue with the warship construction analysis:
Cardassians (I'm avoiding the Romulans for the time being
Observations: Very sturdy hulls relative to Klingon/Federation designs.
Even with shields down, Gul Dukat's Prakesh took a relentless
pounding from several Birds of Prey in "Way of the Warrior," yet managed to stay intact. Visible hull damage was far in excess of what E-D took
in "Generations" (note the very first FX shot of a Bird firing on Prakesh).
Shields on at least some Galors seems limited. In "The Wounded,"
the Enterprise was able to swiftly whip Gul Macet's ship, as the
Phoenix was similarly able to spank another Cardie warship in
short order, presumably with photon torpedos.
Also, the two GCSs in "Sacrifice of Angels" seemed to penetrate
a Galor's shields almost instantly with several sub-maximal
phaser shots.
Conclusion: Cardassians favor robust hulls over shield protection,
much like their Jem'Hadar allies. This may represent a power issue
or simply one of technological limits, perhaps due to simple design "evolution." Given the Cardassians' smaller sphere of
influence and the strength of immediately neighboring powers--Ferengi, who operate powerful ships that are very few in no., and the Breen, who essentially put out flying guns with next to no regard for protecting the crews
thereof--it could make sense to operate ships that sacrifice shield
energy for a big punch.
More later.
Smarter design philosophy, in my opinion.
They may beFalkenhorst wrote:I thought that the little vanes or pincher looking dealies on the rear of the Galor Class were the warp nacelles.
I think the Cardasian's warp fields are generated in the "blades" of their ships. I don't remember if it was DS9 or the premier for Voyager but I remember a character commenting about one of the Cardasian ships takingFalkenhorst wrote:they're awfully small compared to fed and klingon warp nacelles, though.
Not if SOP are followed. In a combat environment, I do not have to tell my troops to fire on someone who is threatening them (even if only to disable and not kill), assuming the correct ROE are in place. If a weak SOP and restrictive ROE are in place, then yes, the watch officer would be required to give such an order.Falkenhorst wrote:Shouldn't the watch officer have given the order to disable it in the first place?Nug at the helm: "That is a strange ship and it isn't responding to our hails. Sir, as per SOP, we have engaged the ship and disabled it. Orders?"
I breezed through the DS9 Tech manual and didn't find anything that specifically said where the warp engines on the Cardasian ship are. It was suggested that they might have more than one warp engine but even that was uncertain.Antediluvian wrote:I never heard ot the blades being warp nacelles or generating a warp field. Huh. Is there any more evidence for this?
I always figured they were sort of like the Klingon Bop's, having internal warp engines.
