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Lord Revan wrote:I'd like to see you evidence for Spock, Magneto or Gandalf being homosexual if you don't mind.

Isn't Gandalf essentially some sort of strange archangel thing? Like can we even talk about sexuality in the context of a creature that we are not even sure has a biological gender?

"...take me for some conjurer (who turns) cheap tricks." -Gandalf
"Don't tempt me Frodo." -Gandalf
"I will draw you Saruman... (like one of my french girls)" -Gandalf
Etc

Anyway. Luke being gay would be pretty pointless

Purple wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:I'd like to see you evidence for Spock, Magneto or Gandalf being homosexual if you don't mind.

Isn't Gandalf essentially some sort of strange archangel thing? Like can we even talk about sexuality in the context of a creature that we are not even sure has a biological gender?

true Galdalf is maia and his true form is essentially genderless (the maiar choose a gender when appearing to mortals but it's more like choosing a coat to wear then any repesentation of sexuality), to say that the valar and maiar are asexual is not totally correct either but the terms hetero-, homo and bisexual loose all meaning when talking about a being with no set gender.

That this moron seems to just trying to be edgy and cool, but instead making a fool of himself. Asked for evidence and he gave me porr attempt at a (possibly homophobic?) joke and lines taken out of context to imply something else then the actual line says (when in context).

I didn't give you any evidence that spock was a wizard either, but I guess you didn't need convincing.

You wouldn't be so hostile if you didn't know it to be true.

They should reveal yoda was gay.

*sigh*

I didn't ask for evidence for Spock being a wizard as I known he can't be (Star Trek has no magic and thus no wizards) though his position as science officer could be interpted as metaphorical wizard.

Besides by this site's standards I'm pratically friendly. I've only challenged your blanket statements and called you out on your bullshit. That said if you keep taunting me, I will get hostile.

Well- spock does have psychic powers. And races like the q/ocampa do have supernatural powers. So who knows. (oh yeah, and those big head guys from the pilot/ James R Kirk guy)

Anyway, revealing luke as gay at this point would be just pointless pandering. Like Dumbledore before him. I'm not saying a character being gay has to be a big event that derails everything, but if you're gonna make someone gay make it someone who isn't just gonna die 5 minutes into starwars 8.

So make Poe and Finn lovers

What makes you think Luke is going to die early in Episode Eight?

I mean, its possible, but there's no particular reason to expect it.

As to Dumbledore, I don't actually think it was just done for pandering. In hindsight, a lot of stuff in the books could be taken as hinting that Dumbledore was gay, so I think Rowling had it in mind for a while. I guess she either didn't feel it was important for the story, so revealed it after the fact, or possibly (just speculating), her publishers were worried about an openly gay teacher in a children's series (though I really hope that wasn't the reason).

Regarding Spock, APlayerHater may believed that, because Zachary Quinto is gay, any character he portrays (including Spock) is also gay. Of course...

Crazedwraith wrote:You realise that Gandalf and Magneto aren't gay right? Just because they're played by a gay actor doesn't say anything about the character.

Then there's the fact Leonard Nimoy is NOT gay.

The Romulan Republic wrote:What makes you think Luke is going to die early in Episode Eight?

I mean, its possible, but there's no particular reason to expect it.

As to Dumbledore, I don't actually think it was just done for pandering. In hindsight, a lot of stuff in the books could be taken as hinting that Dumbledore was gay, so I think Rowling had it in mind for a while. I guess she either didn't feel it was important for the story, so revealed it after the fact, or possibly (just speculating), her publishers were worried about an openly gay teacher in a children's series (though I really hope that wasn't the reason).

I suspect her publishers might have been a bit vary, but I also suspect that Rowling didn't find a decent place for the reveal inside the story so she didn't fight them on the subject.

As for Luke, while it's not impossible for him to die early, I'd suspect it's not probable at least not without convincing evidence and Luke dying with 5 mins of the movie would seem highly unlikely as he is very iconic and with the opening scroll, it would essentially mean that there's no time to introduce and then kill of a character who isn't a nameless mook.

Lord Revan wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:What makes you think Luke is going to die early in Episode Eight?

I mean, its possible, but there's no particular reason to expect it.

As to Dumbledore, I don't actually think it was just done for pandering. In hindsight, a lot of stuff in the books could be taken as hinting that Dumbledore was gay, so I think Rowling had it in mind for a while. I guess she either didn't feel it was important for the story, so revealed it after the fact, or possibly (just speculating), her publishers were worried about an openly gay teacher in a children's series (though I really hope that wasn't the reason).

I suspect her publishers might have been a bit vary, but I also suspect that Rowling didn't find a decent place for the reveal inside the story so she didn't fight them on the subject.

As for Luke, while it's not impossible for him to die early, I'd suspect it's not probable at least not without convincing evidence and Luke dying with 5 mins of the movie would seem highly unlikely as he is very iconic and with the opening scroll, it would essentially mean that there's no time to introduce and then kill of a character who isn't a nameless mook.

Initial buzz about Episode 8 suggests that it opens at the same moment 7 ends, so I expect that at least a decent part of the movie is going to spring off from that point, probably involving Rey undertaking Jedi training, or trying to convince Luke to tackle Kylo Ren... something like that. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Luke did get killed off at the end of the movie, though.

Sidewinder wrote:Regarding Spock, APlayerHater may believed that, because Zachary Quinto is gay, any character he portrays (including Spock) is also gay. Of course...

Crazedwraith wrote:You realise that Gandalf and Magneto aren't gay right? Just because they're played by a gay actor doesn't say anything about the character.

Then there's the fact Leonard Nimoy is NOT gay.

That's also ignoring that a)there's been very few openly gay characters that have been played by a gay actor b)in JJ-verse Spock has been in relationship with a woman c)there's at least 1 character in TOS whose actor is gay (aka Hikaru Sulu, played by George Takei) but the actor has stated on the record that character is not gay.

Also if we go by the logic that "character sexuality matches actor sexuality" then Luke Skywalker can't be gay as Mark Hamill isn't gay, since the logic "character played by a gay actor must be gay" is rather homophobic as it assumes gay actors cannot play anything else then gay characters.

that said "APlayerHater" seems to have a problem of thinking he's posting in YT-comments where you can say what comes to your mind without thinking if it makes any sense.

Elheru Aran wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:What makes you think Luke is going to die early in Episode Eight?

I mean, its possible, but there's no particular reason to expect it.

As to Dumbledore, I don't actually think it was just done for pandering. In hindsight, a lot of stuff in the books could be taken as hinting that Dumbledore was gay, so I think Rowling had it in mind for a while. I guess she either didn't feel it was important for the story, so revealed it after the fact, or possibly (just speculating), her publishers were worried about an openly gay teacher in a children's series (though I really hope that wasn't the reason).

I suspect her publishers might have been a bit vary, but I also suspect that Rowling didn't find a decent place for the reveal inside the story so she didn't fight them on the subject.

As for Luke, while it's not impossible for him to die early, I'd suspect it's not probable at least not without convincing evidence and Luke dying with 5 mins of the movie would seem highly unlikely as he is very iconic and with the opening scroll, it would essentially mean that there's no time to introduce and then kill of a character who isn't a nameless mook.

Initial buzz about Episode 8 suggests that it opens at the same moment 7 ends, so I expect that at least a decent part of the movie is going to spring off from that point, probably involving Rey undertaking Jedi training, or trying to convince Luke to tackle Kylo Ren... something like that. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Luke did get killed off at the end of the movie, though.

End of the movie is still very different thing from "5 minutes in" (or the implied "so early that he doesn't matter at all").

Lord Revan wrote:

Elheru Aran wrote:

Lord Revan wrote: I suspect her publishers might have been a bit vary, but I also suspect that Rowling didn't find a decent place for the reveal inside the story so she didn't fight them on the subject.

As for Luke, while it's not impossible for him to die early, I'd suspect it's not probable at least not without convincing evidence and Luke dying with 5 mins of the movie would seem highly unlikely as he is very iconic and with the opening scroll, it would essentially mean that there's no time to introduce and then kill of a character who isn't a nameless mook.

Initial buzz about Episode 8 suggests that it opens at the same moment 7 ends, so I expect that at least a decent part of the movie is going to spring off from that point, probably involving Rey undertaking Jedi training, or trying to convince Luke to tackle Kylo Ren... something like that. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Luke did get killed off at the end of the movie, though.

End of the movie is still very different thing from "5 minutes in" (or the implied "so early that he doesn't matter at all").

Oh, absolutely. That said, like Han Solo, there's enough fan love for the Luke character that they're not going to squander him. Imagine the wrath that would've descended upon Episode 7 if JJ had killed off Han within 5 minutes of his appearance. It might have worked in the story, but people would have been all "Dude that's ALL you're going to give us, FUCK YOU".

So, no, I'm pretty sure Luke is going to get a decent stretch of film to stand out in. I just hope they don't try to knock him off like Obi-Wan... that would be a bit too damn cliche.

My money (or perhaps its better to say my hope) is that if he dies, Kylo Ren kills him while he's distracted with duelling Snoke, because I'm not sure I could buy either of them beating him alone/in a fair fight, and at the same time it would cement Kylo's threat and make the fight with Rey even more personal going into the last film of the trilogy.

Edit: Or Luke never gets bested in a fight, but dies when a ship he's on blows up or something like that (maybe the ship is going to crash so he stays to stere it away from a city or something like that while ordering Rey to save herself).

The Romulan Republic wrote:My money (or perhaps its better to say my hope) is that if he dies, Kylo Ren kills him while he's distracted with duelling Snoke, because I'm not sure I could buy either of them beating him alone/in a fair fight, and at the same time it would cement Kylo's threat and make the fight with Rey even more personal going into the last film of the trilogy.

Edit: Or Luke never gets bested in a fight, but dies when a ship he's on blows up or something like that (maybe the ship is going to crash so he stays to stere it away from a city or something like that while ordering Rey to save herself).

Or his passing is relatively quiet like Yoda's. He fades out early to midway through in Episode 9, leaving Rey to finish the rest of the journey herself. Which would make sense, if Luke steps into the mentor role Yoda once held.

See, he's not that old. Fifties, I believe.

APlayerHater wrote:*snip*

You need to shape up because your performance in this thread has not been satisfactory.

The Romulan Republic wrote:See, he's not that old. Fifties, I believe.

Hamill is 64. Whether Luke is the same age or not, Force only knows.

I am certain, though, that when 900 years old he reaches, look as good(as Yoda) he will not.

Well, I seem to recall that in the old continuity, at least, A New Hope was when Luke was 19, and Return of the Jedi was 3-4 years later.

And Force Awakens is 30-35 years after that, right?

So yeah, late fifties, max.

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:See, he's not that old. Fifties, I believe.

Hamill is 64. Whether Luke is the same age or not, Force only knows.

I am certain, though, that when 900 years old he reaches, look as good(as Yoda) he will not.

I seem to remember that Mark Hamill was 25 when ANH was filmed, while Luke was 19-20 (aka same age as Leia), that would make Luke 58-59

In any event, Luke was definitely callow in Episode IV.

If someone has Luke's personality in A New Hope at sixteen we call them mature. If they have it at nineteen they're... frankly, about normal for a kid his age. Someone who's still like that in their mid-twenties is a case of arrested development.

Lord Revan wrote:That's also ignoring that a)there's been very few openly gay characters that have been played by a gay actor b)in JJ-verse Spock has been in relationship with a woman c)there's at least 1 character in TOS whose actor is gay (aka Hikaru Sulu, played by George Takei) but the actor has stated on the record that character is not gay.

Yeah. Plus, we saw how Sulu acts when he's 'under the influence;' he pays far too much attention to women when drunk on that weird polywater compound to be gay.

His mirror universe counterpart is definitely straight too, Uhura was quite successful in using wiles to distract him. Now granted, we have other precedents for mirror universe counterparts having somewhat different sexuality than their prime universe versions... but Uhura expected a seduction attempt to work on Sulu. Someone who knew the 'real' Sulu to be gay probably wouldn't have just assumed that was going to work.

Besides, if we went by the idiotic notion that gay actors play gay roles exclusively, then we'd have to assume Billy Crystal(whose initial claim to fame was playing the openly-gay Jody Dallas on "Soap")was gay. Or that Tom Hanks was a gay transvestite, simply because he played a gay lawyer in Philadelphia and had to dress up as a woman in his first-ever starring acting role in "Bosom Buddies."

And, the thing is, it really doesn't, and shouldn't matter, as long as the character's sexuality doesn't become a gimmick.

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:Besides, if we went by the idiotic notion that gay actors play gay roles exclusively, then we'd have to assume Billy Crystal(whose initial claim to fame was playing the openly-gay Jody Dallas on "Soap")was gay. Or that Tom Hanks was a gay transvestite, simply because he played a gay lawyer in Philadelphia and had to dress up as a woman in his first-ever starring acting role in "Bosom Buddies."

And, the thing is, it really doesn't, and shouldn't matter, as long as the character's sexuality doesn't become a gimmick.

I think he wanted to imply that gay actors were unable to play characters that aren't gay, while straight actors could play what ever characters they wanted, which is highly homophobic as it assumes that homosexual people are unable to not "act gay" (what ever that's suppose to mean) and I hope I don't have to explain why assuming that isn't all that good.

I'm also vary of predicting a character's sexuality when said character comes a different cultural background then us, especially if said character isn't even human. After what's seen as "manly" varies depending on culture and era so predictions of character sexuality based on what's seen as "manly" in 21st century american culture is unwise to say the least.

Lord Revan wrote:I hope I don't have to explain why assuming that isn't all that good.

Ermmm, cause gay people have the same spectrum of behaviors as straight people?

I mean, honestly, it's just...nonsense....

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:I hope I don't have to explain why assuming that isn't all that good.

Ermmm, cause gay people have the same spectrum of behaviors as straight people?

I mean, honestly, it's just...nonsense....

Obviously, that line means "I really hope there's no-one stupid enough that I need to explain why assuming that homosexual people have a limited behavior spectrum to point that a homosexual person is unable to act outside of a very narrow stereotype is a bad thing" just a lot shorter. His line of logic kind of assumes there's a universal way to "act gay" and any who is gay must act that way.

As you said it's a load of bullshit.

Either way it out of our hands now, Thanas has given him a formal warning so it's now in the hands of the mods and admins to deside if that was acceptble or not.