Japan Wins the World Cup!

[Norade]

I guess, I just think that people should admit that nothing besides tradition keeps players from playing OT. I guess the rest is all preference and opinion. Though I think we have busted the 'fact' that soccer players are in better shape than hockey players.

[thejester]

Do soccer players sprint for that long on average? Nope, they jog, stand a bit, jog, stand some more, and maybe sprint a little then go back to standing and jogging lightly again. Besides, how many soccer players are moving a huge six foot at least over 200 pound body around at speeds sprinters would look at and say fuck that. Not to mention that top flight defensemen often play above 30 minutes a game, and much long in overtime. They do this while playing hurt for long stretches as well. How many soccer players play through a shoulder that needs surgery for 40+ games?

Jesus Christ - you are stupid. Do you understand that different sports need different bases of fitness? Hockey players who weigh 200 pounds can afford to go flat out for three minutes at a time because they get a rest afterwards. Soccer players don't so they don't carry the extra weight around (which they don't need anyway, cause it's a non-contact sport). BTW the highest TOI average in the NHL last season was Duncan Keith with 26:53. If you want to argue that hockey players are 'tougher', fine, you'll get no disagreement from me - but that they're fitter? Yeah, nah. If you put a hockey player out there they'd be fucked after 90 minutes.

And FFS, how is this even an argument? The NHL has shootouts in the regular season. By your retarded logic this means hockey players are 'soft'.

[Bluewolf]

Indeed, every sport desires a different set of fitness that is within the context of the game itself. From golf, to tennis, to hockey. Keep in mind too, that training is a big factor in this. A Hockey player learns throughout his career to use his physical attributes toward the game of Hockey. As does a Football/Soccer player to his. Both learn how to use their strength, agility, control, quick reactions and endurance to achieve a positive effect in his specified game. It's difficult to even compare the two in many ways as what they do with their respective athletic skill is totally different.

Also what is "OT"

[Highlord Laan]

Indeed, every sport desires a different set of fitness that is within the context of the game itself. From golf, to tennis, to hockey. Keep in mind too, that training is a big factor in this. A Hockey player learns throughout his career to use his physical attributes toward the game of Hockey. As does a Football/Soccer player to his.

Also what is "OT"

Overtime.

[Flagg]

Christ Norade you are a sad little fucker. I look forward to your retarded tangent getting split and the ensuing pile up.

[Bluewolf]

Thanks for the reply. To be honest it depends on the country, tournament, teams etc. There may be a element of holding tradition however it'd be generalizing to automatically assume this was the case across such a mind boggling range of Football/Soccer events.

[Big Phil]

Nah... I'd rather you just show us all that your dick is tiny. You're at that stage of thinking, especially with your "Canadian high school soccer = professional soccer" mentality.

The dick crack jokes are juvenile. You should be able to do better.

I played hockey in high school asshole. I was in track before that, and in soccer at a much younger age. I can still watch soccer as easily as you can though and it doesn't take a genius to see that they stand around or jog lightly much more than they sprint.

My bad... Canadian middle school soccer = professional soccer. Your mentality is hardly surprising, given that the Canadian men have qualified for exactly one FIFA World Cup (in 1986).

As to your overtime whine, playing 120 minutes of soccer is physically exhausting. If you can't simply look at a soccer player and see that they're in phenomenal physical shape, then you're an idiot. If you're going to ignore evidence of the physical demands of the sport in favor of your experience playing 5th grade soccer, then you're an idiot. If you think soccer players are pussies because you think they don't play with pain, then you're an idiot.

I'd very much like to see what happens to your ankle when a 170 lb man slides into it with two feet at a full sprint. I doubt it would be pretty, but I'm sure you're just take it like a man and walk it off, right?

Sorry, but by all metrics Hockey is a more physical sport with better athletes. A pro hockey player could do well at soccer, a pro soccer player would fail hard at hockey lacking in size, strength, and ability. The pace and skill level in hockey is higher than soccer, goals involve more than simply hitting the oversized net, and you have to score while fighting through people who are hitting you and trying to do anything they can to stop you getting there.

If size and raw athleticism were so fucking important soccer players would average 6' and 210 lbs, like hockey players do. They do not, perhaps because simply being a big dude with muscles and good cardio doesn't make you a good soccer player.

Seriously... just post the dick picture and stop wasting everyone's time.

[Norade]

Do soccer players sprint for that long on average? Nope, they jog, stand a bit, jog, stand some more, and maybe sprint a little then go back to standing and jogging lightly again. Besides, how many soccer players are moving a huge six foot at least over 200 pound body around at speeds sprinters would look at and say fuck that. Not to mention that top flight defensemen often play above 30 minutes a game, and much long in overtime. They do this while playing hurt for long stretches as well. How many soccer players play through a shoulder that needs surgery for 40+ games?

Jesus Christ - you are stupid. Do you understand that different sports need different bases of fitness? Hockey players who weigh 200 pounds can afford to go flat out for three minutes at a time because they get a rest afterwards. Soccer players don't so they don't carry the extra weight around (which they don't need anyway, cause it's a non-contact sport). BTW the highest TOI average in the NHL last season was Duncan Keith with 26:53. If you want to argue that hockey players are 'tougher', fine, you'll get no disagreement from me - but that they're fitter? Yeah, nah. If you put a hockey player out there they'd be fucked after 90 minutes.

And FFS, how is this even an argument? The NHL has shootouts in the regular season. By your retarded logic this means hockey players are 'soft'.

Ignoring that hockey players have been tested and have showed higher endurance that players of other sports. ESPN ranked only boxing high on it's list. Hockey players are expected to have both stamina and explosiveness. I cited the Canucks and the Grouse Grind hill climb, we know that hockey players use soccer to warm up, how many soccer players can say they would excel at hockey the way a hockey player could switch sports?

My bad... Canadian middle school soccer = professional soccer. Your mentality is hardly surprising, given that the Canadian men have qualified for exactly one FIFA World Cup (in 1986).

As to your overtime whine, playing 120 minutes of soccer is physically exhausting. If you can't simply look at a soccer player and see that they're in phenomenal physical shape, then you're an idiot. If you're going to ignore evidence of the physical demands of the sport in favor of your experience playing 5th grade soccer, then you're an idiot. If you think soccer players are pussies because you think they don't play with pain, then you're an idiot.

I'd very much like to see what happens to your ankle when a 170 lb man slides into it with two feet at a full sprint. I doubt it would be pretty, but I'm sure you're just take it like a man and walk it off, right?

You're ignoring that hockey players have the same level of endurance which can be seen in how they train for the game. You're ignoring that they take bigger hits and play through worse pains. Also, try that same 170 pound man with a skate on and get back to me. Hockey players have taken skates through the meat of the thigh and recovered well enough to play that same season. How many season ending injuries do soccer slides cause?

If size and raw athleticism were so fucking important soccer players would average 6' and 210 lbs, like hockey players do. They do not, perhaps because simply being a big dude with muscles and good cardio doesn't make you a good soccer player.

Seriously... just post the dick picture and stop wasting everyone's time.

It doesn't make you a good hockey player either.

[Bluewolf]

Norade, you are still ignoring the fact that a hockey player most develop specialized skills all his life to make use of their athletic talents, just like in any other sport. Being tough goes some way but not all the way. Though they help, you don't become a good player automatically by having those talents. I know you probably are going to say that you never said otherwise but you are giving off a demeanor that seems to scream that pure strength is everything.

To top that off, if we go by the assumption that hockey players are near the top of their game in terms of athletic prowess. That doesn't mean that everything below it is bad. It doesn't mean that Football/Soccer players are weak or pathetic. The same goes for Tennis, Rowing, Horse Riding or whatever sport you choose. It simply means that Hockey players are just that little bit tougher. In the end it comes back to the fact that just because your sports players are not at the worldly heights of athletic prowess does not mean you are automatically inferior. In the end it comes down to that golden world, opinion.

[Norade]

Norade, you are still ignoring the fact that a hockey player most develop specialized skills all his life to make use of their athletic talents, just like in any other sport. Being tough goes some way but not all the way. Though they help, you don't become a good player automatically by having those talents. I know you probably are going to say that you never said otherwise but you are giving off a demeanor that seems to scream that pure strength is everything.

To top that off, if we go by the assumption that hockey players are near the top of their game in terms of athletic prowess. That doesn't mean that everything below it is bad. It doesn't mean that Football/Soccer players are weak or pathetic. The same goes for Tennis, Rowing, Horse Riding or whatever sport you choose. It simply means that Hockey players are just that little bit tougher. In the end it comes back to the fact that just because your sports players are not at the worldly heights of athletic prowess does not mean you are automatically inferior. In the end it comes down to that golden world, opinion.

Oh, skill is important, but size is still something of a key. Smaller players have a harder time breaking in and while some can they need a very high level of skill to play though. Being big will get you drafted because they can teach skill, they can't teach size.

Hockey players, are tougher than others though. I would say that a soccer player is less used to pain that a hockey player is and less willing to play through a tough situation that his counter parts in a contact sport is. I think less of them for that, others might not. I mean, it was a big deal for a Canadian womans soccer player to return with a broken nose, in hockey she would be a wimp for not coming back with worse.

[Big Phil]

You're ignoring that hockey players have the same level of endurance which can be seen in how they train for the game. You're ignoring that they take bigger hits and play through worse pains. Also, try that same 170 pound man with a skate on and get back to me. Hockey players have taken skates through the meat of the thigh and recovered well enough to play that same season. How many season ending injuries do soccer slides cause?

And your average hockey player would suck at sumo wrestling... should we therefore take your absurd dick waving to mean that sumo wrestlers are tougher than hockey players, or better athletes? Christ you're a dildo

Hockey players, are tougher than others though. I would say that a soccer player is less used to pain that a hockey player is and less willing to play through a tough situation that his counter parts in a contact sport is. I think less of them for that, others might not. I mean, it was a big deal for a Canadian womans soccer player to return with a broken nose, in hockey she would be a wimp for not coming back with worse.

It's too bad the Canadian men's soccer team isn't recruiting from the NHL. The world would be in serious trouble were a team of hockey players to take up soccer, because the ability to body check is so fucking important in soccer...

[Bluewolf]

Size, though not everything, is useful in Football/Soccer as well. It's not an automatic stamp of a good player (there have been many shorties who were fantastic) but it can help. You can have massive people in football too.

I'd say that Football/Soccer players endure different sorts of pain that Hockey players do, due to the game demanding a different set of skills. However in the end, to be blunt, you simply prefer Hockey and it's players due to physical prowess. That's fine, but I would venture and say it's been quite a mess and a bit of a disruption to get to this simple point (again in fact).

[Norade]

And your average hockey player would suck at sumo wrestling... should we therefore take your absurd dick waving to mean that sumo wrestlers are tougher than hockey players, or better athletes? Christ you're a dildo

In a specific situation the hockey player would lose. I think he would be better at sumo than a sumo player would be at hockey though. Just like hockey players are better at soccer than soccer players are at hockey.

It's too bad the Canadian men's soccer team isn't recruiting from the NHL. The world would be in serious trouble were a team of hockey players to take up soccer, because the ability to body check is so fucking important in soccer...

Hockey in Canada doesn't have much of a following. However we can show that hockey players can play better soccer than soccer players can play hockey.

Size, though not everything, is useful in Football/Soccer as well. It's not an automatic stamp of a good player (there have been many shorties who were fantastic) but it can help. You can have massive people in football too.

I'd say that Football/Soccer players endure different sorts of pain that Hockey players do, due to the game demanding a different set of skills. However in the end, to be blunt, you simply prefer Hockey and it's players due to physical prowess. That's fine, but I would venture and say it's been quite a mess and a bit of a disruption to get to this simple point (again in fact).

True, but being larger is more important in a contact sport. Skill is equally important to size in hockey though.

Still, this tangent should likely be split.

[thejester]

Ignoring that hockey players have been tested and have showed higher endurance that players of other sports. ESPN ranked only boxing high on it's list. Hockey players are expected to have both stamina and explosiveness. I cited the Canucks and the Grouse Grind hill climb, we know that hockey players use soccer to warm up, how many soccer players can say they would excel at hockey the way a hockey player could switch sports?

Yeah, nah.

According to that ESPN study hockey is 'tougher', but if you look at the table provided soccer players have a higher endurance rating. Not as much as I expected they would, but it is higher. Course, there's all sorts of questions marks over the study...but it's pretty funny seeing you getting your figures so consistently wrong.

[Havok]

Fucking christ on a stick. How many "My Sport is Tougher than Your Sport" arguments can a self proclaimed intellectual nerd site fucking have. This is why fighting should be allowed to settle arguments. Not to prove who is right, but just to get someone to agree after a proper ass kicking and shut the fuck up.

Hockey players are pussies that need skates to get around, just like figure skaters. Plus NO ONE WATCHES THE FUCKING SPORT BECAUSE IT SUCKS. It doesn't work as "Lacrosse" either and is just a retarded version of soccer from countries with no fucking grass and snow all over the fucking place.

Concession, accepted.

[Norade]

Ignoring that hockey players have been tested and have showed higher endurance that players of other sports. ESPN ranked only boxing high on it's list. Hockey players are expected to have both stamina and explosiveness. I cited the Canucks and the Grouse Grind hill climb, we know that hockey players use soccer to warm up, how many soccer players can say they would excel at hockey the way a hockey player could switch sports?

Yeah, nah.

According to that ESPN study hockey is 'tougher', but if you look at the table provided soccer players have a higher endurance rating. Not as much as I expected they would, but it is higher. Course, there's all sorts of questions marks over the study...but it's pretty funny seeing you getting your figures so consistently wrong.

They do show higher endurance than other sports though so my claim is still true. Besides, they are overall more highly ranked than soccer players and we can still show that they are capable of doing things like the Grouse Grind that shows they can run long distances up a mountain. I'd still ask a soccer player to lace up skates and take a few shots and then ask the hockey player to take a few passes and free kicks on a pitch. Who do you guess would on average do better?

Fucking christ on a stick. How many "My Sport is Tougher than Your Sport" arguments can a self proclaimed intellectual nerd site fucking have. This is why fighting should be allowed to settle arguments. Not to prove who is right, but just to get someone agree and shut the fuck up.

Hockey players are pussies that need skates to get around, just like figure skaters. Plus NO ONE WATCHES THE FUCKING SPORT BECAUSE IT SUCKS. It doesn't work as "Lacrosse" either and is just a retarded version of soccer from countries with no fucking grass and snow all over the fucking place.

Concession, accepted.

Fuck at least you got creative not like when Thanas just wussed out and stomped off.

[Thanas]

Fuck at least you got creative not like when Thanas just wussed out and stomped off.

And to think I defended you in the past...

[Norade]

Fuck at least you got creative not like when Thanas just wussed out and stomped off.

And to think I defended you in the past...

You never even made an argument in this thread. You stated opinion as fact and then left. I could give a shit about how much you care or if you stood up for me. Good job in doing something that didn't need doing.

[aerius]

Fucking christ on a stick. How many "My Sport is Tougher than Your Sport" arguments can a self proclaimed intellectual nerd site fucking have. This is why fighting should be allowed to settle arguments. Not to prove who is right, but just to get someone to agree after a proper ass kicking and shut the fuck up.

Hockey players are pussies that need skates to get around, just like figure skaters. Plus NO ONE WATCHES THE FUCKING SPORT BECAUSE IT SUCKS. It doesn't work as "Lacrosse" either and is just a retarded version of soccer from countries with no fucking grass and snow all over the fucking place.

Concession, accepted.

The only real man's sport is fighting, and I don't mean the pussy-ass shit in the UFC. I'm talkin' about good old Vale Tudo rules where you can stomp and soccer kick the guy's head when he's down on the ground, that's a real man's sport. I'll accept Pride FC, but only because the colour commentators yell "GOOOAAAAALLLLLL!!!!!!" when someone gets knocked out by a soccer kick to the head.

[Norade]

Fucking christ on a stick. How many "My Sport is Tougher than Your Sport" arguments can a self proclaimed intellectual nerd site fucking have. This is why fighting should be allowed to settle arguments. Not to prove who is right, but just to get someone to agree after a proper ass kicking and shut the fuck up.

Hockey players are pussies that need skates to get around, just like figure skaters. Plus NO ONE WATCHES THE FUCKING SPORT BECAUSE IT SUCKS. It doesn't work as "Lacrosse" either and is just a retarded version of soccer from countries with no fucking grass and snow all over the fucking place.

Concession, accepted.

The only real man's sport is fighting, and I don't mean the pussy-ass shit in the UFC. I'm talkin' about good old Vale Tudo rules where you can stomp and soccer kick the guy's head when he's down on the ground, that's a real man's sport. I'll accept Pride FC, but only because the colour commentators yell "GOOOAAAAALLLLLL!!!!!!" when someone gets knocked out by a soccer kick to the head.

I can agree that fighting with minimal rules is one of the hardest sports. It might not have the most athletic people in it, but they are tough.

[Thanas]

Fuck at least you got creative not like when Thanas just wussed out and stomped off.

And to think I defended you in the past...

You never even made an argument in this thread. You stated opinion as fact and then left. I could give a shit about how much you care or if you stood up for me. Good job in doing something that didn't need doing.

A) You had no argument at all, so why should I reply to something that is purely opinion on your part?
B) If you think acting like a dick is a good thing, then don't complain if in the future people are being dicks to you as well. There is being a dick with an argument to back you up and there is limp-wristed dickishness which is the kind you are currently displaying.

[thejester]

Ignoring that hockey players have been tested and have showed higher endurance that players of other sports. ESPN ranked only boxing high on it's list. Hockey players are expected to have both stamina and explosiveness. I cited the Canucks and the Grouse Grind hill climb, we know that hockey players use soccer to warm up, how many soccer players can say they would excel at hockey the way a hockey player could switch sports?

Yeah, nah.

According to that ESPN study hockey is 'tougher', but if you look at the table provided soccer players have a higher endurance rating. Not as much as I expected they would, but it is higher. Course, there's all sorts of questions marks over the study...but it's pretty funny seeing you getting your figures so consistently wrong.

They do show higher endurance than other sports though so my claim is still true. Besides, they are overall more highly ranked than soccer players and we can still show that they are capable of doing things like the Grouse Grind that shows they can run long distances up a mountain. I'd still ask a soccer player to lace up skates and take a few shots and then ask the hockey player to take a few passes and free kicks on a pitch. Who do you guess would on average do better?

In what sense is your point proved? You were arguing that ice hockey players would have a higher endurance than soccer players and then cited the ESPN study as proof - when it clearly shows the opposite. I dunno what you're trying to prove by citing Grouse Grind - that professional atheletes can run a distance? Fucking good on them, I don't recall anyone saying that ice hockey players were totally unfit.

As for skills being transferable...who gives a shit? Pull someone from the Socceroos line up and yeah, they'd probably struggle to put on the skates and have a few shots because ice skating isn't exactly a popular or practical sporting activity in Australia. Pull someone from the Swedish or Russian national teams and the results would be different. I'm sure Ovechkin and Crosby would be decent soccer players, but ask them to play cricket and I doubt they'd even know how to hold the bat. I guess that means cricketers > hockey players or some shit.

[Phantasee]

Fucking christ on a stick. How many "My Sport is Tougher than Your Sport" arguments can a self proclaimed intellectual nerd site fucking have. This is why fighting should be allowed to settle arguments. Not to prove who is right, but just to get someone to agree after a proper ass kicking and shut the fuck up.

Hockey players are pussies that need skates to get around, just like figure skaters. Plus NO ONE WATCHES THE FUCKING SPORT BECAUSE IT SUCKS. It doesn't work as "Lacrosse" either and is just a retarded version of soccer from countries with no fucking grass and snow all over the fucking place.

Concession, accepted.

Yeah, well American football sucks compared to Canadian football because the field is smaller, usually indoor, you have more players on the roster, you take four downs vs three, you take 40s to start a play vs 20s, take three time-outs per half vs one, and you sit around like a bunch of morons while the ball is snapped instead of actually moving around and confusing the defence. On top of that, you spell defence and offence wrong!

[Havok]

Yeah, but yours is... Canadian.

Concession, accepted.

[Phantasee]

Yeah, but yours is... Canadian.

Concession, accepted.

Yeah, but yours is... locked out.

Suck, it.