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weemadando wrote:No, but saying that he shot someone in the back is.

No, he just winged him as he drove by so that makes it all better!

Sonnenburg wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:Ando, chuck, lets knock it off. I hate Shep alot for what he did too, but lets not startt another flame war over it (if nothing, think of the stress it puts on the mods for having to deal with us. Or at least poor Mike.)

I'm not interested in a flamewar, but I'm not going to in essence be called a liar and not defend my position. Unless someone can tell me how you can shoot at someone driving away from you and not be aiming at their back, I'm not going to just back down.

Its possible that the father was in reverse going out of the driveway. At least, thats what would make the most sense to me.

Quoting out of context. Naughty boy Chuck.

Shitty crap Google Groups link wrote:Oh yeah, just had to add this:

Right now, after the ten millionth post by you about how I am mentally
defective and need to be committed, I would be cheering if a escaped rapist
killed you, sodomized your kids mercilessly before killing himself as the cops
closed in.

Not defending Sheps words. Just making sure that people realise that there was more than a little provocation.

Sheppard is a weird sort of person. For instance, I actually tried to help over a while, especially when he was going to college, but I finally couldn't stand it when he made a comment to me along the lines that "Jesse Helms doesn't hate gays, he just thinks that what you're doing is wrong." That and some other things finally made me give up on him - I think I persisted on keeping contact with him for nearly the longest of anyone at ASVS - but now he is generally polite once again.

I suspect that he has been poorly raised, and he's turned towards Neo-Confederatism/Nazism as a form of alternate identity as an alternative to a family structure that doesn't exist. Naturally, of course, his new identity advocates a violent solution to effectively any problem, and moreover, without really thinking about it. The end result is that his obvious solution to his father - who wasn't acting as a father was supposed to anyway - was to shoot him. The government and law, of course, didn't matter, since they were all evil and out to get you anyway.

If you want to be blunt about it, you can actually find very intelligent people in gangs. That's why they prosper and often set up criminal "empires" in areas. They may not be educated, but they have the knowledge to organize business and navigate a web of interactions between complex forces, as ruthlessly as necessary. Sheppard's identity is the same thing as being a gangbanger wannabe, except for a white southern kid. That's not necessarily an insult to his intelligence or capabilities at all, but just an observation on his identity and reaction to his circumstances.

What Sheppard - Ryan - Needs to realize, and I'm speaking to him now, is that long-term success in this world is oriented around hard work towards the production of wealth, and gaining knowledge to produce that wealth more efficiently. The system of government one lives under is ultimately irrelevant as long as it protects your assets and allows you to maximize your profit. Once it does that it will also drift towards democracy because that's the most efficient system under which capitalism can operate.

Ryan should work towards the goal of learning what he needs to be as successful and wealthy as possible in life, and involving himself in the established political process with the power that his money and that his remaining energy allows.

Other considerations are irrelevant. Life deals exceptionally hard blows. You life in pain and misery and you die in pain and misery and then you rot under six feet; or if you're lucky, you're cremated. Your ultimate goal on this planet should therefore be to create a space of happiness for yourself - whatever you define as such - by your own sweat, and improve the world for those you care about in such fashion as you are able. The hatred of others and the random brutality of life can only be impetous to work harder.

Stormbringer wrote:

weemadando wrote:No, but saying that he shot someone in the back is.

No, he just winged him as he drove by so that makes it all better! :roll:

So, reduce an argument about this to semantics.

I'll be sure to make a note of the next time you carefully place a dagger in someones back. "But officer - it was self defense, he was on his way to defame someone!"

I will grant you that that is possible, depending on the position of the neighbor's house. I had visualized it as driving away in a forward direction. I just checked over my conversation with Shep about it, and he didn't confirm or deny it. However, since I cannot prove this interpretation is correct I will withdraw my statement and reissue it as: "He shot at an unarmed man." Fair enough?

ANDO, FIX THAT FRICKING LINK!

Sonnenburg wrote:I will grant you that that is possible, depending on the position of the neighbor's house. I had visualized it as driving away in a forward direction. I just checked over my conversation with Shep about it, and he didn't confirm or deny it. However, since I cannot prove this interpretation is correct I will withdraw my statement and reissue it as: "He shot at an unarmed man." Fair enough?

I can't argue against that. Though I could engage my Scooter Algorithm alpha0.01 and try and argue AROUND it.

weemadando wrote:So, reduce an argument about this to semantics.

I'll be sure to make a note of the next time you carefully place a dagger in someones back. "But officer - it was self defense, he was on his way to defame someone!"

How is it semantics? SHEP SHOT HIS OWN FATHER!

weemadando wrote:Quoting out of context. Naughty boy Chuck.

Do you want the entire thread, Darkstar?
I'm trying to avoid a flamewar here, but you are trying my patience with your attitude.

weemadando wrote:

MkSheppard wrote:Oh yeah, just had to add this:

Right now, after the ten millionth post by you about how I am mentally
defective and need to be committed, I would be cheering if a escaped rapist
killed you, sodomized your kids mercilessly before killing himself as the cops
closed in.

Not defending Sheps words. Just making sure that people realise that there was more than a little provocation.

*Shrug* Anyone who wants to read it is free to judge for themselves whether it was provocation.

Even if you believe that I provoked him, even if you believe it was a quote out of context, that has nothing to do with the fact that he, as stated, will attack people who cannot defend themselves.

Stormbringer wrote:How is it semantics? SHEP SHOT HIS OWN FATHER!

He didn't *shoot* him, he shot *at* him. And missed.

But whatever.

Crayz9000 wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:How is it semantics? SHEP SHOT HIS OWN FATHER!

He didn't *shoot* him, he shot *at* him. And missed.

But whatever.

Shot gun pellets entered his fathers head. Pellets from Shep's shotgun. That is shooting some one.

JFK wasn't shot. Some one just shot *at* him.

JRNL.net's account of the incident

Same as above, but a little more info

I stand corrected.

Stormbringer wrote:

Crayz9000 wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:How is it semantics? SHEP SHOT HIS OWN FATHER!

He didn't *shoot* him, he shot *at* him. And missed.

But whatever.

Shot gun pellets entered his fathers head. Pellets from Shep's shotgun. That is shooting some one.

JFK wasn't shot. Some one just shot *at* him.

If Sheppard actually aimed for his dad its unlikely he'd be alive. It would seem the judge and jury agreed giving how short his sentence was.

To be fair, according to Shep, he was aiming at his father's truck; the only reason his father was hit was because he was inside it at the time.

First day I joined here, someone made a reference to Shep's being in prison or something. I've been curious ever since, and now I know. Holy fucking shit!

Yup

and I have been trying to get him to learn to focus his anger for about two years now....

I really definatly should stick to bartending and not try and be a shrink....


I can say I have had more luck with Mark then I have had with Ray Cav.
*I have even gotten Mark to see where he's done something wrong a few times*

Ok, enoughs enough! This thread was posted to inform you that Ted and Sheppard had temporary bans with the reasons for it. If you have a problem with Ted and Sheppards behavior then have the decency to wait until they are back on the board before doing so. I don't give two fucks if they have posted behind others backs, or attacked those that can't defend themselves, if you want to be better than them, then you DON'T emulate their tactics and use "well they do it." as a defence!

I'm not a mod here, so I can't lock this thread, however I will ask that no one else post here unless they have something Constructive to say on the situation. Those that have issues with what another has posted here, please take it to either E-mail or PM and try to sort it out civilly - flamewars over semantics and mis-understandings (especially when you both have the same fundamental views on the subject) solve nothing!

Lets just see if we can practice what we preach for once, we support intelligence over belligerence and should try to prevent personal attacks against fellow Denizens not encourage them at every instance. I enjoy making fun of idiots and calling others Crack-smoking donkey fuckers as much as the next man, but continued, mallicious personal attacks on fellow denizens is not tolerable.

If we are truly intelligent, thinking posters, then these pointless flamewars are OVER. I suppose we'll see what calibre of people we have with the next set of posts and general conduct over the next few weeks.

Shep shot his own father? WTF?!?!? And I had the guy wanting my head on a plate?!

P.S, Sonnenburg PLEASE FIX THAT PIECE-OF-SHIT LINK! Absolutely nothing against you whatsoever, I just found out that I probly was at risk (however remote) of getting my head turned into a canoe by a psycho; plus I have an extreme, irrational prejudice against extremely, irrationally long links...

Wicked Pilot wrote:New York is cool. That's where I saw Han Solo in the flesh.

Well...R2-D2 climbed through my window once....(well, it wasnt my window per-say....but I was team captain and it was "our" room....).....and had a chat with Admiral Ozzel.....though that was at Loughborugh Uni not new york....

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: I suspect that he has been poorly raised, and he's turned towards Neo-Confederatism/Nazism as a form of alternate identity as an alternative to a family structure that doesn't exist.

Ah, so now you put the C.S.A. in the same line as Nazi Germany. I do want you to know that I take offense to that, seeing that I had ancestors that fought for the Confederacy.

NF_Utvol wrote:

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: I suspect that he has been poorly raised, and he's turned towards Neo-Confederatism/Nazism as a form of alternate identity as an alternative to a family structure that doesn't exist.

Ah, so now you put the C.S.A. in the same line as Nazi Germany. I do want you to know that I take offense to that, seeing that I had ancestors that fought for the Confederacy.

No. She clearly stated Neo-confederacy (those that want the South to rise again and their stance on non-white races). Whether your ancestors fought for the old South is irrelevant as she is not talking about that. Also Sheppard is a Neo-confederate (not sure about the racism part of that though) and he idolisies the Nazi party, so which part of that line was incorrect? the / denotes a removed word in this context so it would be "he's turned towards Neo-Confederatism and Nazism", it could have been better worded, but there is nothing untrue in what she has said. Stop being so touchy, you'll just get embroiled in another flamewar over a misunderstanding.

The Yosemite Bear wrote:I wish some of my Unfazability, and willingness to be open with just about anybody (Despite the fact I really do dislike people in general), would rub off.

...I Oughta work as a shrink. On the other hand that would not be a good idea....

You know, we're different minds, but I keep thinking the same damn thing.

Lagmonster wrote:

The Yosemite Bear wrote:I wish some of my Unfazability, and willingness to be open with just about anybody (Despite the fact I really do dislike people in general), would rub off.

...I Oughta work as a shrink. On the other hand that would not be a good idea....

You know, we're different minds, but I keep thinking the same damn thing.

Someone once registered an email for me @therapist.net .....hmm....well....then someone asked me why I had an email address about rape.....lots of real smart cookies out there.....shame so few of them talked to me.

Keevan_Colton wrote: Someone once registered an email for me @therapist.net .....hmm....well....then someone asked me why I had an email address about rape.....lots of real smart cookies out there.....shame so few of them talked to me.

ROTFLMAO