War Whores vs. Royal Navy -FIGHT!

[Jack Bauer]

Hey now, they're doing their part in the ZOMG War on WTF Terror. Not everyone can be frontline infantry. That position is just for poor people and convincts anyway. Don't anyone doubt for a minute that they're buying gasoline, voting Republican and posting on the internet.

These are people who refer to their pens and computers as weapons in the Great War Of Civilizations.

Now now, don't denigrate these brave patriots. They are fighting in the crucial "War of Ideas", a real life and death struggle where every keystroke made is essential to the survival of Western Civilization!

Indeed, they are the fitting heirs to "The Greatest Generation".

[Darth Wong]

I'm not judging them for being captured, that wasn't their fault.

I'm not judging them for making video statements or admitting guilt. I don't know what drove them to do it or what circumstances they were in at the time.
I am judging them on their conduct in the video I saw last night. They were told that they were going to be released and they were happy. That's fine, I would have been happy too. But their display of emotion was way out of bounds. Slapping each other on the back, giving each other noogies...it was all disgusting.

For domestic consumption inside Iran, it showed that westerners are a bunch of sissies that can't handle a tough situation.

For international consumption, it showed the world that Ahmadinejad is a humane, benevolent leader with altruistic intent.

It was all propaganda!

Those sailors should have known better than to act the way they did. That whole display had very important political implications.

For you to say that you don't expect those sailors to act the same way as a US Marine shows me moral relativism. For some reason you don't think that the sailors have the same responsibility as other members of the armed forces, and that disturbs me.

It's pretty sad that this rectal dripping is LGF's idea of an enlightened poster. Does it occur to him that showing how MACHO ZOMG STRONG we are does not actually solve any problems? We've been doing that for some time; is it having the desired effect? No! Acting like normal people is probably beneficial for east/west relations, in the sense that the Iranian people saw westerners acting like human beings rather than brandishing weapons and screaming THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA!!!!!

There's a word for people who keep doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results: insane. Also: Republican.

[Flagg]

I'm not judging them for being captured, that wasn't their fault.

I'm not judging them for making video statements or admitting guilt. I don't know what drove them to do it or what circumstances they were in at the time.
I am judging them on their conduct in the video I saw last night. They were told that they were going to be released and they were happy. That's fine, I would have been happy too. But their display of emotion was way out of bounds. Slapping each other on the back, giving each other noogies...it was all disgusting.

For domestic consumption inside Iran, it showed that westerners are a bunch of sissies that can't handle a tough situation.

For international consumption, it showed the world that Ahmadinejad is a humane, benevolent leader with altruistic intent.

It was all propaganda!

Those sailors should have known better than to act the way they did. That whole display had very important political implications.

For you to say that you don't expect those sailors to act the same way as a US Marine shows me moral relativism. For some reason you don't think that the sailors have the same responsibility as other members of the armed forces, and that disturbs me.

It's pretty sad that this rectal dripping is LGF's idea of an enlightened poster. Does it occur to him that showing how MACHO ZOMG STRONG we are does not actually solve any problems? We've been doing that for some time; is it having the desired effect? No! Acting like normal people is probably beneficial for east/west relations, in the sense that the Iranian people saw westerners acting like human beings rather than brandishing weapons and screaming THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA!!!!!

There's a word for people who keep doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results: insane. Also: Republican.

This has nothing to do with how the sailors conducted themselves or any other nonsense like that. It has everything to do with these douchebag warmongers being upset that Iran didn't massacre them and give us an excuse to attack.

[Darth Wong]

This has nothing to do with how the sailors conducted themselves or any other nonsense like that. It has everything to do with these douchebag warmongers being upset that Iran didn't massacre them and give us an excuse to attack.

Indeed. I've never seen so many people so angry at a happy ending before.

[Darth Raptor]

What I don't get is the constant references to Iran as "the enemy" let alone the demands that these poor sods fight to the last drop of pointless blood. Iran and the EU are not and were not at war.

"Tally-ho, lads! It's the Canadian coast guard! Fight to the last man! No surrender!"

[Darth Wong]

That's why they're called "war whores". They actually want escalation of hostilities. To them, the fact that there is no state of war between the EU and Iran is a problem in need of a solution.

[J]

That's why they're called "war whores". They actually want escalation of hostilities. To them, the fact that there is no state of war between the EU and Iran is a problem in need of a solution.

At times, I wonder how they'll feel if they get their wish of nuking all the evil countries only to realize that they've now eliminated a third to a half of the world's oil production, and then having it dawn on them that they are now completely & utterly screwed.

[Admiral Valdemar]

That's why they're called "war whores". They actually want escalation of hostilities. To them, the fact that there is no state of war between the EU and Iran is a problem in need of a solution.

At times, I wonder how they'll feel if they get their wish of nuking all the evil countries only to realize that they've now eliminated a third to a half of the world's oil production, and then having it dawn on them that they are now completely & utterly screwed.

To take that piece a little further, what of the baulking at the fact that Iraq was all about oil and staging a nice base in the heart of the Middle-East. You mention that, and these hawks claim bullshit, that we were there to "win hearts and minds" or some such soppy crap that not even the most rabid liberal will swallow. Do these people not see the hypocrisy in rampaging around wanting wars, then telling people to shut the fuck up when you point out that's what they're doing?

Course, with the way things are going, sooner or later, Iran is going to come into the picture. I'd also look to Nigeria too, if their elections fuck-up as expected with civil war. Plenty of black gold there, just don't let the Chicoms get there first.

[Big Orange]

It's pretty sad that this rectal dripping is LGF's idea of an enlightened poster. Does it occur to him that showing how MACHO ZOMG STRONG we are does not actually solve any problems? We've been doing that for some time; is it having the desired effect? No! Acting like normal people is probably beneficial for east/west relations, in the sense that the Iranian people saw westerners acting like human beings rather than brandishing weapons and screaming THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA!!!!!

There's a word for people who keep doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results: insane. Also: Republican.

It's also pretty magical that Little Green Footballs has recently nearly been shut off by some Internet authorities as a hate site (which it essentially is). Right after that all the LGF denizens have been predictably bitching and moaning like small children about the accusations, covering themselves up or viciously smearing the critics. Reading many Neocon related articles, blogs or forum comments is akin to sitting through a prolonged toddler's tantrum and their rabid comments have ironically done more PR damage in my view than their petulant, short-sighted foreign policies (also since LGF is a pathologically pro-Zionist it is also an outlet for racist Jewish supremacy and contempt towards non-Jews). Why should the American Neocons deserve be our alliesm, when their supporters verbally backstab and smear Britain or other "allies" at the first opportunity?

[hongi]

So I guess the crew of that recon plane that was damaged and landed in China, allowing the Chinese government to get sensitive information and reverse engineer the aircraft are all traitors who should have made a nosedive into the Pacific?

No, the war skanks think they should have landed and taken China in a land war.

[Frank Hipper]

Since we're mocking the dumbnitude found on this subject out and about, thought I'd share this little gem of...well, you tell me what it is.

But the supporters of the English hostages' actions do bring up an interesting perspective. Because if you accept the idea that even HINTING that you might be harmed is justification for doing whatever you deem necessary to protect your ass, then I guess President Bush was entirely justified in invading Iraq because Saddam TOLD us he had WMDs and that he wanted to destroy the United States and just making those threats apparently justifies invasion. Watch out, Iran and North Korea!!!!

Remember in Star Trek Insurrection when F. Murray Abraham's vein burst in his forehead?

Somebody really should make a .gif of that for times like these.

[kheegster]

Why should the American Neocons deserve be our alliesm, when their supporters verbally backstab and smear Britain or other "allies" at the first opportunity?

Well, the neocons have never been interested in alliances, only mindless obedience from America's client nations. Unfortunately, Blair has been providing precisely that.

[Darth Wong]

Since we're mocking the dumbnitude found on this subject out and about, thought I'd share this little gem of...well, you tell me what it is.

But the supporters of the English hostages' actions do bring up an interesting perspective. Because if you accept the idea that even HINTING that you might be harmed is justification for doing whatever you deem necessary to protect your ass, then I guess President Bush was entirely justified in invading Iraq because Saddam TOLD us he had WMDs and that he wanted to destroy the United States and just making those threats apparently justifies invasion. Watch out, Iran and North Korea!!!!

Remember in Star Trek Insurrection when F. Murray Abraham's vein burst in his forehead?

Somebody really should make a .gif of that for times like these.

It's an interesting illustration of their mindset. Rather than allow for the possibility that we're saying we should replace mindless blanket rules with prudent situational judgment (or what some might call "statesmanship", they simply assume that we're pushing for different mindless blanket rules than theirs, so they try to criticize what they believe to be our mindless blanket rules.

They honestly seem to think that we should act like a really low-quality computer game AI, with "if X then do Y" command sets and no more situational judgment than that.

[kheegster]

It's an interesting illustration of their mindset. Rather than allow for the possibility that we're saying we should replace mindless blanket rules with prudent situational judgment (or what some might call "statesmanship", they simply assume that we're pushing for different mindless blanket rules than theirs, so they try to criticize what they believe to be our mindless blanket rules.

They honestly seem to think that we should act like a really low-quality computer game AI, with "if X then do Y" command sets and no more situational judgment than that.

Many of them have a name for these 'blanket rules': the Bible.

[Glocksman]

I'm pretty right wing, but I find the backbiting and after the fact armchair second guessing of these sailors' actions offensive simply because none of the critics were there and don't know what these people faced.

Now if they wanted to criticize the bullshit orders that the RN was apparently operating under that forbade them from coming to the rescue of the captured people, I'd understand fully and probably even agree, but the personal attacks on the captives are more along the lines of 'blame the victim' than anything else.

[Big Orange]

Why should the American Neocons deserve to be our allies, when their supporters verbally backstab and smear Britain or other "allies" at the first opportunity?

Well, the neocons have never been interested in alliances, only mindless obedience from America's client nations. Unfortunately, Blair has been providing precisely that.

With a an attitude problem of a dysfunctional 14 year old and no real respect for valued allies on the international stage, only a complete pussy would throw his or her lot in with such petulant "overlords" like American Neocons - what was Blair thinking five years ago?