Captain Marvel VS. the Incredible Hulk

[thecreech]

Here you go ghostrider and stravo
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Go to the hulk battle obviouslly. This a actually a really cool site for juggs. It shows just how powerful that asshole is if you don't know to much about him

[Ghost Rider]

coolness..nice to see old Hulk again.

[David Deas]

You presented and enourmous upper limit, did nothing to vouch for any lower and thought because of this Billy is weaker.

*What* the hell did you just say?

1. Hulk Example...still you use this as you primary example of his power instead of even thinking this is his ABSOLUTE limit...

WTF is that supposed to mean?

Have you even *one single solitary* demonstration of strength for Captain Marvel on par with the Incredible Hulk to support your assertion of Captain Marvel *somehow* being stronger?

Or shall I have to endure a couple pages more of your rhetoric in substitute of?

I mean we don't see Thanos punch planets out of orbit but he's destroyed Hulk on occasions...EASILY.

That doesn't prove a damn thing.

2. And looky no proof of Thos EASILY shattering planets

Who the heck is Thos?

I would guess "Thor" but the letter "r" isn't close enough to the letter "s" on the keyboard.

no Apoc is out of running(but beaten Hulk)...my god

Apocalypse has never beaten down the Hulk. Apocalypse never even actually *defeated* the Hulk.

Would you like me to post the scans to prove what a fucking liar you are?

you keep using this blanatnt red herring, and not provide a single fucking example...damn jerkoff, care to actually provide some examples instead of as a matter of Fact(you do know what fact means right?)

*laughs*

Was that supposed to be some sort of rhetorical genius debate counter?

3. Ah And looky you go off on wanking and anything that shatters your precious Hulk destroy gods is obviously not proof. Learn to read and not stare at pictures can help.

What on *Earth* are you talking about?

4. Winner is obvious...one is stronger, faster, and smarter...I wonder.

You have not proven any of those assertions on your own. Thus far, you have only what I've chosen to give you.


You're doing your *absolute best* to try and dance around the fact that a *calm* Grey Hulk was able to shatter an asetroid *twice* the size of the planet Earth in one punch.

And with understandable reason if winning is *THAT* important to you. Because both you and I *know* that Captain Marvel doesn't come even *remotely close* to that level of strength.

.......Like they say. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

5. Hulk has been killed by 15-20 Kt explosive(Maestro...a SUPERIOR HULK...and no not masquerading...dying/atomizing in Future Imperfect)

*sigh*

Read those issues again. That was not the Maestro. And he did not die.

), Batson survies mutli MT, and was killed when he intercepted a 100+MT bomb. You have yet to even dispute this one

What is there to dispute? I'm simply not impressed.

Kinda like when you mentioned Captain Marvel's alleged half city destroying thunder clap, and his alleged small moon destroying potential --*After* I told you about the Incredible Hulk's planet busting punches and cosmos splitting thunder claps.

Do you actually expect me to take you seriously after I list feats, then you list substantially lower caliber feats as somehow positive proof of superiority?


The guy took multi MT (whatever the fuck that means) and was killed off by a 100 MT bomb.

Kinda embarassing if you ask me.

Even guys like Thor take multiple planet busting shots and planet busting explosions.

6. Let's see Superman in JLA#19, in Vice and Virtue, In Starman, in his own book...you want me to ram it more down your feeble little brain?

IH #298 IH #300

WTF!!

7. Hulk has never caught a single bullet...

And now we get to the *root* of the problem!!

You're ignorance is beyond measure!! You don't even know the *first* fucking thing about the Hulk.

FF #25

And you saying Cap can is blatant LIE.

How in the hell is my saying the Captain America class of Marvel street fighters have easily caught bullets, a blaten lie?


Iron Fist. Taskmaster. IIRC, Gambit. Even Iron Man has caught bullets.

8. Umm...bedsides the creator words. okay and you rating it higher then Byrne...what just arbitray subjective thought, disregarding the powers are virtually the same.

What in the hell is that crap?

Why are you just spouting off random shit?

9. Haven't seen Hulk kick Superman's ass...you want to keep batting?

Superman has never met the Hulk.

.......Or do you actually awknowledge those crappy company crossovers made in jest around here?

10. Let's see...you provide just arbitray examples...yet Hulk facing off said being get's whupped, and in IG get's soundly beaten. Oh yes...Superman does this in second(his SO...and Batson is on par with Superman)

Uh? Ok? Whatever that was supposed to be.

So after a few red herring, some nice strawmen,and a couple outright lies, you want to step up again?

*laughs*

Thats cute.

I see somebody has found a web page somewhere full of debating terms, and thinks that he now has a convenient way of totally dismissing any facts and arguements he feels like dismissing at any time.


Look, kid. Wake me up when you have just ONE feat for Captain Marvel on par with the Incredible Hulk. Just *ONE* fucking feat.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Read those issues again. That was not the Maestro. And he did not die.

Which issues are you referring to, exactly?

Why are you just spouting off random shit?

I was about to ask you the same thing.

Superman has never met the Hulk.

Marvel vs DC. Booyah.

[Ghost Rider]

Hulk does Mach 500+?

Hulk has 5000 years of knowledge?

Hulk Flies?

Hulk has Super breath to freeze lakes?

Amazing you still are a raging fanboy who won't admit your character lost because he's not on par.

1. And Maestro was reduce to spirit form...lie #1.

2. Let's see Issues of JLA and JSA...lie #2.

3. You use absolute upper limit as a common Hulk event...nice Red Herring.

4. Hulk loses to being who don't crush planets...and you still don't have the brains to actually understand this.

5. Read it

You might learn something.

Honestly I've seen dumber...but not many who wank of Hulk because he's a good character.

[Ghost Rider]

Actually aside from your ad hominems, your red herrings, and couple lies...you still have yet to prove Hulk is BETTER then Batson.

All you've shown is he has some strong abilites.

So before you scream boy/kid/biatch/etc....do try not to wank and read the two characters...who knows you may learn something, but I doubt it, given you've quote IH I already know...and looky Batson has done better, but since you don't read the other side...you WOULD NOT KNOW,now would you dumbass?

[Superman]

Superman has never met the Hulk? He has met him 3 times, dude! One was a special issue of ONLY these two characters and their fight. Supes STILL KICKED HIS ASS!

Oh man, you say Ghosty knows nothing about the Hulk? That's like saying Carl Sagan knew nothing about SETI...

[The Drunkard Kid]

Bleh, the DC/MU crossovers are generally very unreliable. DC vs. Marvel was just pure and unadultered crap which should be tossed out (I, a Wolverine fanboy, think that the Hulk should turn Logan into paste if he even *grazes* the Canuckle head; no way is he capable of winning a barfight with someone who's basically a moderately angry Hulk with the healing factor of a really PO'd Hulk, ie: Lobo, without resorting to massive amounts of bribery...).

At least one of those crossovers was b/w PC Superman and Silver Age Hulk and they were depicted as around the same strength level, though PC Superman should have been much stronger than anything but a Hulk that has just seen Betty Banner raped and killed. I can't remember what the third crossover they had was, but as the MU/DCU Crossovers are never actually established as part of the DCU's continuity, it should probably be disgarded as well. Otherwise, Superman needs Spider-Man's help to take out Venom, despite being indescribably stronger, faster, and more durable than Brock, as well as having easy access to both of the Symbiote's weaknesses in the form of Heat Vision and Super Yelling/Thunderclapping.

Any fight b/w Supes and any Hulk besides Guilt Hulk and possibly War or Mindless Hulks should result in an intelligent Superman utilizing his speed and strength to KO Banner before he gets too strong, or punt him into space and drag him back when he blacks out. Guilt Hulk, OTOH, was so massive that 3-4 Hulks working together could barely budge him (if they budged him at all). Still, as he only exists in Banner's mind, it's unlikely that Clark will ever face that guy in a fight...

[Superman]

Drunkard, that silver age fight between Hulk and Supes was not at all even. Hulk scored one LUCKY punch that knocked Superman a few blocks away, but when he came back, he stood in front of Hulk with his hands on his hips and let Hulk pound on him. Supes didn't budge. Superman did not fight him either, he just tried to calm Hulk down so he would not destroy the city. He did it.

They were not at all equal. Hulk could not budge Superman when he was ready for it.

[The Drunkard Kid]

IIRC, Superman was thinking something along the lines of "He keeps getting stronger... sooner or later, he's gonna really be able to hurt me if I don't calm him down!" while he was taking Hulk's shots.

[Superman]

Let's see: Drunkard, I am looking at "Crossover Classics" now. Nope. Supes never said that. This is what he Superman says, "You caught me by surprise once! This time, "Im ready. And when I'm ready...and I don't want to be moved, no power on Earth can move me!" Hulk then says, "Bah! Cape Man thinks he is strong, but Hulk is the strongest one there is! And the madder Hulk get, the stronger Hulk gets!"

Hulk continues to punch Superman's chest, and then Superman finds the source of the noise that is driving Hulk crazy and destroys it. Hulk calms down and turns into Banner.

Drunkard, nice try but Hulk never stood a chance.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Huh. Alrighty then, it seems I misremembered the issue and concede that one example.

Still, I don't think that crossovers should count due to many, many *other* horrible showings as well, not the least of which was several of the DC vs. Marvel fights, and Superman vs. Venom. And, considering that only one or two crossovers are considered in continuity (Superman vs. Aliens and Batman vs. Grendel, IIRC, and the latter is only in continuity for the Grendel, not Batman), the issues which *aren't* in continuity should be tossed in the same pile as Elseworlds and What Ifs in that, while the characters are similar to the mainstream versions, they're history/personality/powers are possibly altered in order to make the issue balanced properly, unless the fight was involving the exact version of a character as it was presented in the crossover. Ie: "DC vs. Marvel Lobo" vs. Deathstroke the Terminator.

[Superman]

I can agree with some of that. Superman fought Venom?

[Ghost Rider]

Usually do.

I take the crossovers with a grain of salt(some are obvious...Flash vs Quicksilver...one goes lightspeed and beyond, the other doesn't even get close to .1c.)

For the most part you gauge upper and lower and often delegate canon that makes less sense then usual(ie...if Superman is bashing metorites left and right...goes down to tossing cars, then is affect by Bats' punch/ or for Marvel IM is taking blast from Magma every other issue and perform re-entry in the weaker variant and then him being afraid of fire is an EXTREME Low end...not the norm.

Literally this would make no sense in how the hell can he take blast from Magma(a character that shoots guess what)...because for a upper end suit that two issues ago took Fing Fang Foom fire breath is not going to be scared of house fire.

Literally just asorb what you what read and see a trend...don't go for one example, have it NEVER repeated and go this obviously means the low end limit for the character...because even as outlandish as comics are they do have a certain common ground that their characters inhabit, and when they go beyond, that should be cosidered exceptional, until the writer make that the norm...Supes moving planets is exceptional...Supes moving thousands of tons is norm, but if Supes starts doing planet moving...then you move the scale again on the flipside you move Darkseid down because he's competeing against a bigger Supes, but this is the same being who snuffs suns with his beams, mind controls billions of people, and was having trouble with one Kryptonian, and has had trouble mutiple times in the past.

[The Drunkard Kid]

I can agree with some of that. Superman fought Venom?

ISTR someone once telling me about a Spider-Man/Superman crossover where Venom was in Metropolis and managed to not only get the jump on Clark, but to whack him around enough that he needed Pete's help to take down the little bugger. Now apparently Superman wasn't at 100% for some reason, but unless this was Kal right after his first major ressurection, I can't think of any version of Post Crisis Superman that would have any trouble pimp slapping Brock...

However, since this is second hand information, I may be wrong. Horribly, horribly wrong. In which case I shall sacrafice the person who supplied me with aforementioned incorrect info to Cthulhu on general principal.

[The Drunkard Kid]

IIRC, Pre-Crisis Darkseid (who is *supposed* to be the same guy as Post-Crisis Darkseid, seeing as how he shielded Apokalips from the Crisis or something to that effect) tended to humiliate any Kryptonian or Daxamite that ever tried to go up against him. Heck, in the Great Darkness Saga, his weakened shade was pummeling PC Superman and PC Supergirl at the same time, after they had gotten powerboosts from the Highfather, and had earlier beaten Mon-El into a coma, IIRC.

One really amusing scan I've seen is where Superman is bumrushing Darkseid, who is just standing there. Someone yells "Superman, NO!", and the next thing we see is the JLA looking up as Clark goes flying backwards over them, looking like someone had just backhanded him in the jaw.

POST-Crisis Darkseid, OTOH, has lost to Post-Crisis Superman (who has said that he can't move planets by himself, which seems to indicate that he's much weaker than his Pre-Crisis self) how many times now? Twice? And in both fights, he does the same trick at least once, ie: making him blast himself with the Omega Effect, despite having shown that the OE has homing abilities that seem to indicate that it is either *much* faster than Superman, or that it can tear through space and should have been able to hit him anyway no matter where he dodged... Again, bleh.

[Ghost Rider]

One really amusing scan I've seen is where Superman is bumrushing Darkseid, who is just standing there. Someone yells "Superman, NO!", and the next thing we see is the JLA looking up as Clark goes flying backwards over them, looking like someone had just backhanded him in the jaw.

That amazingly was Post Darkseid...first time his power was used right, course in the same storyline...Supes get uber power that puts him on par withsome older Pre-Crisis material.

POST-Crisis Darkseid, OTOH, has lost to Post-Crisis Superman (who has said that he can't move planets by himself, which seems to indicate that he's much weaker than his Pre-Crisis self) how many times now? Twice? And in both fights, he does the same trick at least once, ie: making him blast himself with the Omega Effect, despite having shown that the OE has homing abilities that seem to indicate that it is either *much* faster than Superman, or that it can tear through space and should have been able to hit him anyway no matter where he dodged... Again, bleh.

Yeah, the Omega beams actually go through dimensions(and universes...given where Apokolips is) can kill and revive those killed by it(indicating an extraordinary level of power)

And the last battle between the two shows how much they've amped Superman. Seriously that is consistent to Supey(he has honestly gotten that obnoxious and more so...he literally is currently achieveing Superspeed almost Flahs level....easily), but not so much so to Darkseid. Darkseid falls somewhere in between.

[David Deas]

Hulk does Mach 500+?

I have yet to see a solitary reference of Captain Marvel actually using that sort of speed in combat.

Hulk has 5000 years of knowledge?

Doesn't mean jack shit.

The Hulk beats up on Thor, who has umpteen thousand years of experience as well.

Hulk Flies?

Why is this such a turn table advantage?

Captain Marvel is facing a guy who can take him out with a clap of his hands. The Hulk took Hyperion down with a thunder clap. He damn sure can take Captain Marvel out with one too, who is weaker than Hyperion.


Unless you have reference of Captain Marvel shattering a planet, or moving a planet? Or even just shaking a planet?

Hulk has Super breath to freeze lakes?

Is Captain Marvel going to freeze the Hulk, now?

Amazing you still are a raging fanboy who won't admit your character lost because he's not on par.

I'm not even a Hulk fan like that.

If I get labeld a fanboy for speaking the truth, then so be it. A fanboy I will be.

1. And Maestro was reduce to spirit form...lie #1.

During #460, yes. I asked you what issue you were referencing, and you didn't even seem to know.

Of course, this clown also leaves out a key part -- The Hulk has a special weakness to gamma bombs. They revert him back to his human form, and or devole him.

Common knowledge.

Saw that in TTA #62, where a small gamma grenade reverts the Hulk back into Bruce Banner upon exploding.


Aside from that, the Hulk has taken many nuclear explosions before in the past.


......I may as well reference Superman's performances against kryptonite as accurate depictions of his durability.

2. Let's see Issues of JLA and JSA...lie #2.

What are you talking about here? What in the blue hell are you refering to?

3. You use absolute upper limit as a common Hulk event...nice Red Herring.

Thats about as laughable as your maturity level is low.

Busting a puny asteroid is *far* below the Hulk's upper limit. AAMOF, its a wimp feat by Hulk standards.

. Hulk loses to being who don't crush planets

Which *automatically* means that he would *undoubtly* lose to Captain Marvel!!

and you still don't have the brains to actually understand this.

You have proven *nothing* you say.

It is not a fact that everyone you named simply cannot crush a planet.


I can simply say that since the Hulk has defeated beings far more powerful than Captain Marvel, the Hulk would undoubtly defeat a lesser being. Or that since Captain Marvel has lost to beings far less powerful than the Hulk, Captain Marvel would undoubtly lose here too.

You might learn something.

I am well aware of the many logical fallacies.

.....Which is why I find you and you so utterly laughable.


The Red herring is a fallacy of irrelevance.

Your trying to somhow refute intuitive logic by simply calling it a red herring fallacy is the most fucking pathetic attempt at winning a debate I've ever seen in my life since W. Bush.

Honestly I've seen dumber...but not many who wank of Hulk because he's a good character.

Yeah. Kid. Whatever.

Just get me at least *one* reference of Captain Marvel doing *something* on par with the Hulk.

Or concede.

[Ghost Rider]

Look, kid. Wake me up when you have just ONE feat for Captain Marvel on par with the Incredible Hulk. Just *ONE* fucking feat.

I did..Hulk doesn't go Mach 500

Not my problem you can't read.

Something you've yet to refute.

CONCESSION ACCEPTED, BITCH

[Superman]

Dude, you are a moron. You know, I just read "Kingdom Come" where Marvel called lightning down repeatedly that floored Superman. Ummm... Remember that Hulk could NOT put Superman down? This is easy...

[David Deas]

Yeah. Sure. Whatever, kid.

[Superman]

Deas, noob, it's no coincidence that you are the ONLY person here that thinks that the Hulk would win this. Ghosty even likes Marvel better, yet he can freely admit who would win this.

Your problem is that you are thinking like this. I like Hulk better, therefore Hulk wins this fight. Despire ALL FUCKING EVIDENCE put out, you just keep repeating the same stupid shit that Ghosty easily shot down. You are a fanboy and you are an idiot.

[David Deas]

Dude, you are a moron. You know, I just read "Kingdom Come" where Marvel called lightning down repeatedly that floored Superman. Ummm... Remember that Hulk could NOT put Superman down? This is easy...

Kindgdom Come is OOC. It doesn't count.


Aanyways, Captain Marvel did not floor Superman. Superman withstood repeated blasts of lightning before tricking Captain Marvel into the path of his own bolt, reverting him back -- Thus defeating him.


Is this some sort of fucking joke man?

Get me in the face of someone who knows what the heck they're talking about. And ain't some sort of fucking weasel.

[David Deas]

Deas, noob, it's no coincidence that you are the ONLY person here that thinks that the Hulk would win this. Ghosty even likes Marvel better, yet he can freely admit who would win this.

Your problem is that you are thinking like this. I like Hulk better, therefore Hulk wins this fight. Despire ALL FUCKING EVIDENCE put out, you just keep repeating the same stupid shit that Ghosty easily shot down. You are a fanboy and you are an idiot.

[David Deas]

Look, kid. Wake me up when you have just ONE feat for Captain Marvel on par with the Incredible Hulk. Just *ONE* fucking feat.

I did..Hulk doesn't go Mach 500

Not my problem you can't read.

Something you've yet to refute.

CONCESSION ACCEPTED, BITCH

I can tell you're used to having your way around here.